BR large logo blue on a class 87?

[LMS_LNER_SR_GWR_fan2004]

Hello all,

 

Having picked up a Lima class 87 yesterday at a toy fair I was wondering if the large logo livery on it was correct. I have searched the internet with no luck. So was it a real livery and does anyone have a photo of it? Ps it was 87022 Cock O The North

 

Best regards, Matthew

[kernowtim]

This was a work of fiction!! I have the same model bought new many years ago now.

Do remember seeing electric locos with oversize numbers though, would have been early 1980s

Edited September 3, 2018 by kernowtim

[LMS_LNER_SR_GWR_fan2004]

Hi,

 

Thanks for letting me know. That explains it then. But do you think it suits it or not? I personally do so will probably repaint it into the same livery.

 

Best regards, Matthew

[HillsideDepot]

But 87006 carried large logo grey livery (not my photo)

https://www.flickr.com/photos/jonf45sphotos/11224843746/

[Tim Hall]

Hello all,

 

Having picked up a Lima class 87 yesterday at a toy fair I was wondering if the large logo livery on it was correct. I have searched the internet with no luck. So was it a real livery and does anyone have a photo of it? Ps it was 87022 Cock O The North

 

Best regards, Matthew

 

87006 (?) carried a charcoal grey livery with large logo and yellow cabs in 1984 (seen here 25th May 84 entering Crewe)

Edited September 3, 2018 by Tim Hall

[LMS_LNER_SR_GWR_fan2004]

Oh yeah, there’s that livery as well, thanks for letting me know.

 

Best regards, Matthew

[LMS_LNER_SR_GWR_fan2004]

Any recommendations on the paint colour? I guess the yellow would be railmatch 202?

[PM47079]

Yes normal yellow ends. I am not sure on the shade of grey, i.e. If it was a railway shade. If it is I would say Executive grey as on the intercity livery

Edited September 3, 2018 by PM47079

[Moxy]

I am not sure on the shade of grey, i.e. If it was a railway shade. If it is I would say Executive grey as on the intercity livery

 

It was Executive Dark Grey.

 

This was an experimental livery around the time they were working out what became Large Logo Blue.  A pity it wasn't adopted, I think the dark grey with yellow ends looks quite smart.

[LMS_LNER_SR_GWR_fan2004]

Thanks for letting me know!

 

Best regards, Matthew

[Pete the Elaner]

I wonder if it was felt that this was too similar to RF grey, so used 'Executive' for InterCity & large logo blue for other locos?

Edited September 3, 2018 by Pete the Elaner

[Trains4U]

It was a livery trial in 1984 - The intercity livery as we know it, was adopted from the livery applied to the APT and would have been applied to coaching stock, but there were questions over locomotive livery

 

Two 87s were painted, one in large logo (But executive dark grey, not rail blue) and one (87012) in a prototype APT-P style livery.

 

 

Obviously the APT-P style livery was chosen, but the livery was modified to reduce the size of the yellow band around the nose.

 

 

If you google "87006 1984"  or "87012 1984"  you'll find loads of picures

Edited September 3, 2018 by Trains4U

[Steamport Southport]

This was a work of fiction!! I have the same model bought new many years ago now.

Do remember seeing electric locos with oversize numbers though, would have been early 1980s

 

More BR changing their mind after the model had been made. That was the livery they were all meant to be repainted into.

 

Same thing happened with the Hornby BR Blue Class 58.

 

http://www.hornbyguide.com/item_year_details.asp?itemyearid=269

 

 

 

Jason

[amwells]

More BR changing their mind after the model had been made. That was the livery they were all meant to be repainted into.

 

Same thing happened with the Hornby BR Blue Class 58.

 

http://www.hornbyguide.com/item_year_details.asp?itemyearid=269

 

 

 

Jason

Was that ever released like that though?

[Steamport Southport]

Was that ever released like that though?

 

I don't know. 

 

I think it was reviewed in the magazines like that though. So perhaps a few got out.

 

The actual issue in Railfreight Grey was 58007.

 

http://www.hornbyguide.com/item_year_details.asp?itemyearid=287

 

 

 

Jason

[w124bob]

But 87006 carried large logo grey livery (not my photo)https://www.flickr.com/photos/jonf45sphotos/11224843746/

Looks brown to me, should I go to Specsavers!

[Dagworth]

It was Executive Dark Grey.

 

This was an experimental livery around the time they were working out what became Large Logo Blue.  A pity it wasn't adopted, I think the dark grey with yellow ends looks quite smart.

Large logo blue first appeared at least three years prior to this.

 

http://www.class56.co.uk/picture/56036-to-040781.jpg

 

Edit: five years

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:British_Rail_Class_56_locomotive_56036_1979.png

Edited September 3, 2018 by Dagworth

[EddieK]

There were also two 86s with large numbers.

 

Not my image:

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/curly42/8518363537/

 

86214 "Sans Pareil" and 86235 "Novelty" had this livery to commemorate the Rainhill Trials, applied in 1980 to coincide with Rocket 150 celebrations. 

[Clive Mortimore]

Large logo blue first appeared at least three years prior to this.

 

http://www.class56.co.uk/picture/56036-to-040781.jpg

 

Edit: five years

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:British_Rail_Class_56_locomotive_56036_1979.png

Wot about County of Norfolk when it got its large numbers for short sighted trainspotters at Stowmarket? Wasn't 47 170 the second loco with a big arrow sign in 1980? :locomotive:

 

It went off to Crewe to be fitted with electric train heating and came back to the GER in pain blue.

[ianmacc]

Picked an 87022 up today in this livery.

 

Add it to the pile comprising of 33025 in the same fictional garb!

 

Was 33025 meant to receive this livery but changed post production by Lima in the same manner as 87022 and the 58 or was it always intended to be a flight of fantasy?

[Gibbo675]

More BR changing their mind after the model had been made. That was the livery they were all meant to be repainted into.

 

Same thing happened with the Hornby BR Blue Class 58.

 

http://www.hornbyguide.com/item_year_details.asp?itemyearid=269

 

 

 

Jason

Hi Jason,

 

I remember seeing an artists impression of the class 58 in Modern Railways around the late 1970's or early 1980's that looked like this one;

 

 

Gibbo.

[Jim76]

How long did the Executive Dark Grey Large Logo last on 87 006 and when was it repainted - presumably into InterCity Executive livery? Cheer, Jim

[Flood]

4 hours ago, Jim76 said:

How long did the Executive Dark Grey Large Logo last on 87 006 and when was it repainted - presumably into InterCity Executive livery? Cheer, Jim

The first photo of 87006 with the dark grey and large logo was on 11 May 1984. From looking on Flickr it was repainted some time between 13 October 1984 and 22 February 1985. It was pretty dirty on the second date so may well have been out at least a month or so. It also kept the higher yellow cab sides and front so gained black numbers and black BR signs on the cabs which I think it kept until being renamed Glasgow Garden Festival in April 1987.

Edited September 30, 2019 by Flood

[Simon Bendall]

6 hours ago, Jim76 said:

How long did the Executive Dark Grey Large Logo last on 87 006 and when was it repainted - presumably into InterCity Executive livery? Cheer, Jim

 

Painted 05/84, to IC Executive 12/84.

[andyman7]

On 03/09/2018 at 16:13, Steamport Southport said:

 

More BR changing their mind after the model had been made. That was the livery they were all meant to be repainted into.

 

Same thing happened with the Hornby BR Blue Class 58.

 

http://www.hornbyguide.com/item_year_details.asp?itemyearid=269

 

 

 

Jason

 

On 03/09/2018 at 18:04, amwells said:

Was that ever released like that though?

 

On 04/09/2018 at 00:41, EddieK said:

There were also two 86s with large numbers.

 

Not my image:

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/curly42/8518363537/

 

86214 "Sans Pareil" and 86235 "Novelty" had this livery to commemorate the Rainhill Trials, applied in 1980 to coincide with Rocket 150 celebrations. 

As someone old enough to remember all this at the time....

 

Large logo livery was first trialled on 56036 when built in 1978. From 56084 onwards, all new class 56s began to be painted in that livery, and it began to be adapted for use on certain other classes, notably classes 37, 47 and 50. As per EddieK's post, two class 86s got an adapted version of the livery for the 1980 Rainhill Trials anniversary. Lima's class 87 was released in 1981 as 87005 in BR blue, but the following year they also did 87022 in large logo livery - I remember when it came out and there were no class 87s in that livery but the impression was that it was only a matter of time. However, sectorisation intervened which meant that from 1983, business sector liveries started to be applied and large logo blue never ended up on any class 87.

 

The same issue affected the Hornby class 58, announced at the end of 1981 it made sense at that time to assume that when they appeared in service they would be in large logo blue but by the end of 1982 when the first one was nearing completion it - as Railfreight's flagship loco - became the first to bear Railfreight large logo. Hornby's model initially appeared with a slightly incorrect version of this based on early samples, indeed the model (R250) exists in three different versions, only the last of which has the number style correct.

 

In all cases it was more that the model firms jumped the gun than BR changed its' mind.