RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted March 21, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 21, 2020 On 16/03/2020 at 17:02, Phil Bullock said: Were the batch colours wagon load specific or random? From a conversation I had when having some steel bar loads resin cast for the Bobols, the colour denotes the type/grade of steel. Mike. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted March 21, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 21, 2020 2 hours ago, Enterprisingwestern said: From a conversation I had when having some steel bar loads resin cast for the Bobols, the colour denotes the type/grade of steel. Mike. Got a picture of your loads Mike? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted March 21, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 21, 2020 2 hours ago, Phil Bullock said: Got a picture of your loads Mike? Currently some 1500 miles South of me at the moment Phil, and likely to be that way for the foreseeable future! Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 5 hours ago, Enterprisingwestern said: From a conversation I had when having some steel bar loads resin cast for the Bobols, the colour denotes the type/grade of steel. Mike. There would also be white painted numbers indicating the date of the 'melt' The same applied to other finished, or semi-finished steel, including coils 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted March 27, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 27, 2020 (edited) Tried running the 20 wagon rake on the Kato track on kitchen floor this afternoon - using the solid bars as supplied by Dapol. Not good! Too rigid - although the bogies have plenty of float in them the bar coupling holds them rigid vertically - a surefire recipe for derailments. So time to think again .... needs to be more flexible vertically. For fist go might just try slimming down body of bar coupling where it goes in to the NEM pocket. Failing that something more radical will be required. Edited March 31, 2020 by Phil Bullock Spelling Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted March 31, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 31, 2020 (edited) The video would show the problem if it would load! On the first pair of bogies which are connected with the coupling bar as supplied only one axle per bogie rotates - only one touching rail, sure fire derailment. On the second pair of bogies connected with a modified coupling both axles rotate and are touching rail. The coupling bar between the second pair has been slimmed to achieve this in the area between the lugs on the fish tail and the cross bar. This means that it can now flex up and down using the lugs on the fish tails as pivot points. Another 19 to do and then will test run again.... Edited March 31, 2020 by Phil Bullock Video wont load Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted March 31, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 31, 2020 Do it properly and fit instanters Phil, you know it makes sense! Mike. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted May 2, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 2, 2020 On 31/03/2020 at 15:59, Enterprisingwestern said: Do it properly and fit instanters Phil, you know it makes sense! Mike. The crew would revolt!!!!! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted May 3, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 3, 2020 Best of both worlds? https://www.shapeways.com/product/JZZQYBLQK/nem-oo-instanter-couplings-sample-set Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted May 5, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 5, 2020 On 03/05/2020 at 09:04, Enterprisingwestern said: Best of both worlds? https://www.shapeways.com/product/JZZQYBLQK/nem-oo-instanter-couplings-sample-set Mike. Shapeways instanters ordered for trial... And glad I made my own loads! https://www.themodelcentre.com/oo-gauge/limited-editions-oo-gauge/bwl2-simulated-steel-billets-for-bolster-wagons-x1-crafted-by-tmc Mind you I used £100 worth of 1mm square styrene rod....but what price my sanity in lockdown? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted May 5, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 5, 2020 I used to think DUHA loads were expensive, but in comparison to TMC, wow! Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted May 24, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 24, 2020 On 03/05/2020 at 09:04, Enterprisingwestern said: Best of both worlds? https://www.shapeways.com/product/JZZQYBLQK/nem-oo-instanter-couplings-sample-set Mike. These turned up at last but unfortunately are longer than the bar couplings supplied by Dapol so the worst of both worlds. Will try them on other fixed rake trains though such as 100 ton tanks. Where’s Mr @Westhillwagonworks when you need some very short magnetic couplings? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted May 24, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 24, 2020 That's a shame Phil, it would seem 18mm is the shortest distance possible; https://jamestrainparts.com/shop/couplings/oo-gauge-fixed-link-wagon-couplings/ Maybe a suggestion from you interested types might produce a more satisfactory distance. Mike. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted May 24, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 24, 2020 (edited) Yes indeedy! But probably fine on other wagons, its the NEM pockets on these wagons that cause the problems. The Dapol bar couplings hold the faces of the NEM pockets 8mm apart Reckon we could lose 2mm out of that and still have sufficient play for 24 inch curves - the wagons do have sprung buffers too. Edited May 24, 2020 by Phil Bullock 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted May 24, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 24, 2020 Another case of the wandering standard NEM pocket then? Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted May 24, 2020 Share Posted May 24, 2020 5 minutes ago, Enterprisingwestern said: Another case of the wandering standard NEM pocket then? Mike. As a rule of thumb, when fitting NEM pockets to models, I set the outer face of the pocket in line with the face of the bufferbeam. I've no idea if this is correct - but it works for me. I suppose that the problem manufacturers have is that, using my practice, the rear of the NEM 'dovetail' can clash with the outer axle of bogie wagons. John Isherwood. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted May 25, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 25, 2020 9 hours ago, cctransuk said: As a rule of thumb, when fitting NEM pockets to models, I set the outer face of the pocket in line with the face of the bufferbeam. I've no idea if this is correct - but it works for me. I suppose that the problem manufacturers have is that, using my practice, the rear of the NEM 'dovetail' can clash with the outer axle of bogie wagons. John Isherwood. Spot on John. Dapol have retained the standard dovetail and NEM pocket which is forced outwards by the presence of the axle ..... exactly as you say Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted May 25, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 25, 2020 Speaky from a position of no experience, it would seem that what is needed is a micro dovetail box and coupling, similar to the Kadee draft boxes, which can be unobtrusively mounted wherever is best? Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted May 25, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 25, 2020 (edited) The loads are finished - all 20, hurrah - except for the colour coding on ends and any legends on bars . With the 3d printed couplings @Enterprisingwestern pointed out not ticking the box have gone off to try them on other wagons.... see new thread here... https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/154978-3d-printed-wagon-couplings/ Edited May 25, 2020 by Phil Bullock 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamestrainparts Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 Hi Phil, I see you've been testing my couplings, thanks for sharing. If you would like a shorter Instanter coupling for the Bogie Bolster E just let me know the distance between the NEM sockets you require and I can adjust the model. Cheers, James 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RP82 Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 The bogie Dapol wagons I have. Megafrets, Silver bullets etc all seem to use #17 Kadees which makes me think that Dapol fit the pockets to far out. But in the case of the Turbot and Bolster E there's no choice due to the short wheelbase bogie been so close to the wagons headstock. So on my Turbots I decided to cut the pocket in half, then chopped the tail off a Kadee #17 and glued together. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pteremy Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 Do Dapol do annual announcements? Anyone know if original livery versions of the Bolster E's might be on the horizon? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted September 28, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 28, 2021 (edited) Back to tinkering with the couplings. Have cut down some Hunt couplings, filed them down across their width and superglued them in to their pockets. Ease of coupling should keep the layout crew happy…. With the back of the magnet mounting about 1mm out from the front of the NEM pocket the sprung buffers just kiss on my Kato curves…. Nothing that sharp on the layout! Edited September 28, 2021 by Phil Bullock 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pteremy Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 I see that 6 new versions have been announced, although the detail is a bit vague. The first 2 have 'B' numbers suggesting that they could be as built. But there are 3 in the style XxxxxDL, e.g. W1413DL. Are these some later variant? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 4 hours ago, Pteremy said: I see that 6 new versions have been announced, although the detail is a bit vague. The first 2 have 'B' numbers suggesting that they could be as built. But there are 3 in the style XxxxxDL, e.g. W1413DL. Are these some later variant? No the W --- DL are references to Dave Larkins catalogue number, two are to photos from August 1969 and the third appears incorrect (an ex Private trader mineral in internal use] Two of the B numbers are mine from summer 1967, I don't know the origin of the third. In https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brbbe I've posted fuller details on the GoG forum. Paul 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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