pantrogla Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 Thanks Jack - doesn't sound like we will see Q2 2019 as per the original announcement though! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les1952 Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 From today's open day. The sleepers have been delayed to allow some extra liveries to be included in the run. Decoration samples will be here in about 6 weeks. They will be supplied UNNUMBERED with decal sheets to allow people to make rakes of coaches that might not sell profitably if split into different numbered coaches. Unpainted samples were on display. Les 1 6 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Revolution Mike B Posted October 9, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 9, 2019 On 21/09/2019 at 22:47, Les1952 said: From today's open day. The sleepers have been delayed to allow some extra liveries to be included in the run. Decoration samples will be here in about 6 weeks. They will be supplied UNNUMBERED with decal sheets to allow people to make rakes of coaches that might not sell profitably if split into different numbered coaches. Unpainted samples were on display. Les This is the first sensible thing Dapol have done in ages! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGR Hooper! Posted October 9, 2019 Author Share Posted October 9, 2019 On 22/09/2019 at 03:17, Les1952 said: From today's open day. The sleepers have been delayed to allow some extra liveries to be included in the run. Decoration samples will be here in about 6 weeks. They will be supplied UNNUMBERED with decal sheets to allow people to make rakes of coaches that might not sell profitably if split into different numbered coaches. Unpainted samples were on display. Les Hope these sell well. If the past is anything to go by, models sold unnumbered and with a decal sheet seem to have been slow sellers. I'm surprised Dapol are going ahead with this. Hope it works out for them. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahame Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 4 hours ago, scoobyra said: This is the first sensible thing Dapol have done in ages! 3 hours ago, MGR Hooper! said: Hope these sell well. If the past is anything to go by, models sold unnumbered and with a decal sheet seem to have been slow sellers. I'm surprised Dapol are going ahead with this. Hope it works out for them. Yep, that is a surprise. And I'm not convinced it's necessarily a sensible thing. When they offered an unnumbered N gauge class 73 in blue it was, apparently, a very poor seller. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steadfast Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 I think an unnumbered carriage will be a different kettle of fish to an unnumbered loco. Most enthusiasts seem to be loco centric, and the numbers on coaching stock are also a lot smaller. Besides, if it's not printed at the factory, it'll mean Dapol don't print hugely oversized numbering in them like on most of their other coaching stock. And if they don't sell... I'll be ready and waiting to pick them up cheap to repaint Jo 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium JR_P Posted October 9, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 9, 2019 On 21/09/2019 at 22:47, Les1952 said: The sleepers have been delayed to allow some extra liveries to be included in the run. Indeed.... I was rather surprised that their original announcement didn’t include FGW ‘dynamic lines’ Night Rivera, or First Scotrail Caledonian Sleeper, but did have the Jarvis livery. Assuming they’re adding the two obvious liveries, that’s a good move.... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigP Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 (edited) -- Edited February 1, 2021 by bigP Deleted 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed-farms Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 Given the size of the numbers on the models anyway how many of us will actually see them especially when running? I bet a few go onto layouts with the number sheet untouched 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahame Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Ed-farms said: Given the size of the numbers on the models anyway how many of us will actually see them especially when running? I bet a few go onto layouts with the number sheet untouched I'd guess it's not so much not being able to see them, but the difficulty will probably be in reading them when moving. But, of course, the stock doesn't spend all it's time running and is often stationary at stations, in fiddle-yards, in carriage sidings and when the layout is not being operated. Plus with N gauge the models are small and easily held in the hands so are often held close to one's eyes to inspect and appreciate them. And even on layouts at exhibitions behind barriers, modern digital cameras/phones makes it easy to photograph and zoom in on the models. Also I would imagine that it will be obvious that the numbers are missing (and even when running), so perhaps having the coaches supplied already with a number on them would be more preferable than none, especially if most owners won't bother to apply the numbers provided. And for those that would add them then it shouldn't be an issue to remove the digits to be replaced. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John M Upton Posted February 20, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 20, 2020 Hattons just posted a video showing latest EP and livery artwork. Unfortunately the artwork for blue and grey livery shows the CDL lights that shouldn't be there... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lukas G. Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 A screenshot from Rails Of Sheffield’s announcement this morning - Baffles me why they aren’t offering the current CS teal, as I would happily use it in conjunction with the sleeper Mk5 from revolution 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmthtrains - David Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 Does anyone have any info about the Jarvis and Serco liveries? I can’t say I’ve seen/heard of these before. David 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lukas G. Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 I’m unsure about those myself but I would believe they would be for departmental/charter use. It’s actually Fastline instead of Serco. Doesn’t make much sense to me to offer those as they are very obscure wagons (To the point of people not knowing about their existence) and to offer those instead of a livery like Caledonian Sleeper green is an interesting decision. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomag Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 In terms of the teal livery it may be that CS won't give approval for something they have got rid of. I remember somebody from Farish saying that BR would not give permission for the 158 to be produced in the original 'express' livery only the current (at the time) Regional Railway livery. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
m0rris Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 (edited) What is more baffling for me is no branded or "unbranded" FirstGroup CS. The FirstScotrail livery was long lived and the unbranded ones are suitable for the end of the First/DBC days and the first 4 or so years of GBRF operation including all of the traction used by GBRF such as 67s/86s already in the range. Edited June 5, 2020 by m0rris 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KMS Railtech Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 (edited) 17 hours ago, m0rris said: What is more baffling for me is no branded or "unbranded" FirstGroup CS. The FirstScotrail livery was long lived and the unbranded ones are suitable for the end of the First/DBC days and the first 4 or so years of GBRF operation including all of the traction used by GBRF such as 67s/86s already in the range. Of course, this could be due to an exclusive agreement with a retailer? (Nudge nudge, wink wink) ☺️ KMS 2mm Exclusives Edited June 6, 2020 by KMS Railtech Images attached 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium njee20 Posted June 6, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 6, 2020 (edited) Ahhhhhhh, that makes sense! I get not offering the teal, as there are only 2 mk3s so painted IIRC, although I suspect many people either don't know that or don't care, and would have a whole rake. But doing the short lived CS purple, which Farish have had in the range. The obvious hole was the First CS livery, so good that's coming! Just need someone to do Farish mk2s to match... ;-) Edit: you’re doing both, even better! Link wasn’t there when I posted! Edited June 6, 2020 by njee20 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KMS Railtech Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 1 minute ago, njee20 said: Ahhhhhhh, that makes sense! I get not offering the teal, as there are only 2 mk3s so painted IIRC, although I suspect many people either don't know that or don't care, and would have a whole rake. But doing the short lived CS purple, which Farish have had in the range. The obvious hole was the First CS livery, so good that's coming! Just need someone to do Farish mk2s to match... ;-) Yes, the Mk2s in 2, 4 and 7mm are definitely needed! We hope the 3 twin packs we've selected are of interest to most modern modellers! Although we've gone for the First branded liveries, they should still go well with the latest Stag pack, or even the Purple Swoosh too! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
m0rris Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 Very good call KMS railtech... I'll be picking up at least 2 twin packs! I'll feel a little naughty removing the first branding on a brand new model but at least I don't have to do the full livery! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff mcghie Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 On 05/06/2020 at 11:05, bmthtrains - David said: Does anyone have any info about the Jarvis and Serco liveries? I can’t say I’ve seen/heard of these before. David There was at least 1 coach used with the original track renewal train. Saw it sitting at Bescot once many years ago, it was in the Jarvis colours then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steadfast Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 On 06/06/2020 at 08:48, KMS Railtech said: Of course, this could be due to an exclusive agreement with a retailer? (Nudge nudge, wink wink) ☺️ KMS 2mm Exclusives Hi! The livery artworks for the Scottish sleepers look smart. One thing that jumps out though, I think all the First Scotrail sleepers had blue ends, with the white stripe at cantrail height wrapping around. Presumably applies to the Serco livery too, as it was a vinyl job on the sides only, I see you have the white stripes on the ends on this one. Apologies if some had black ends, it's not a train that's local to me so reliant on a bit of Google! Cheers! Jo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John M Upton Posted June 7, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 7, 2020 The CDL lights are still there on the blue/grey artwork... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Steven B Posted June 8, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 8, 2020 On 20/02/2020 at 12:18, John M Upton said: Unfortunately the artwork for blue and grey livery shows the CDL lights that shouldn't be there... perhaps they've copied this 2012 repaint? M10588 SLEP MK3 Sleeper coach. Inverness TMD. 27-3-2012 by locoman1966, on Flickr I'm still in two minds about upgrading my Farish Mk3 sleepers. Whilst I'd prefer Intercity to Blue/grey I'm modelling one of the secondary services (Euston-Manchester/Liverpool) and I'd also have to replace the Mk2s and BGs that make up the rest of the train. Steven B. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les1952 Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 On 05/06/2020 at 15:58, m0rris said: What is more baffling for me is no branded or "unbranded" FirstGroup CS. The FirstScotrail livery was long lived and the unbranded ones are suitable for the end of the First/DBC days and the first 4 or so years of GBRF operation including all of the traction used by GBRF such as 67s/86s already in the range. Licensing issues? Either a refusal or a delay, or perhaps a retailer exclusive. Any of these is possible. Les Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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