RMweb Premium njee20 Posted November 4, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 4, 2021 The stretched lettering looks very sloppy. The list grows and grows! Agree the orange WSP gear looks good. But they’ve only done it on some liveries, which seems odd! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padishar Creel Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 Hallo, I know there are still many caveats, however on my query regarding the BlueGrey livery, Dapol wrote to state 'Not allowing for any further shenanigans with international shipping they should be here by the end of the month I believe' And it seems they are getting very frustrated by the whole supply chain situation. es grüßt pc 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahame Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 3 hours ago, Padishar Creel said: Hallo, I know there are still many caveats, however on my query regarding the BlueGrey livery, Dapol wrote to state 'Not allowing for any further shenanigans with international shipping they should be here by the end of the month I believe' And it seems they are getting very frustrated by the whole supply chain situation. es grüßt pc No doubt they are frustrated. Many manufacturers are struggling with supply from China and getting frustrated. It's a sign of the times, unfortunately. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John M Upton Posted November 18, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 18, 2021 Blue/Grey ones now bumped to January. Won't be here by Ally Pally at this rate.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KMS Railtech Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 All FOUR of our twin packs of Caledonian Sleepers are now in stock and most Pre Orders have been dispatched! Each pack is priced at £58 and can be purchased on our website: 2P-006-KMS1: https://www.kmsrailtech.co.uk/home/4194-2p-006-kms1-n-gauge-stag-caledonian-sleeper-mk3-twin-pack-5016927043131.html 2P-006-KMS2: https://www.kmsrailtech.co.uk/home/4195-2p-006-kms2-n-gauge-first-caledonian-sleeper-white-band-mk3-twin-pack-5016927043148.html 2P-006-KMS3: https://www.kmsrailtech.co.uk/home/4196-2p-006-kms3-n-gauge-first-caledonian-sleeper-no-band-and-gold-stripe-mk3-twin-pack-5016927043155.html 2P-006-KMS4: https://www.kmsrailtech.co.uk/home/4217-2p-006-kms4-n-gauge-debranded-caledonian-sleeper-white-stripe-mk3-twin-pack-5016927043162.html 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Pilotman Posted December 9, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 9, 2021 (edited) On 18/11/2021 at 11:14, John M Upton said: Blue/Grey ones now bumped to January. Won't be here by Ally Pally at this rate.... I have some of these on pre-order and had an email from the shop yesterday to say they will be in stock “on or after” today. Read into that what you will but it certainly sounds to me like they’re imminent. EDIT: Order now processed so they’ve arrived. Edited December 9, 2021 by The Pilotman 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Adam1701D Posted December 10, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 10, 2021 Kernow are showing the Blue/Grey, Scotrail Purple and FGW Dynamic Lines sleepers in stock. The Scotrail livery does look quite nice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John M Upton Posted December 10, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 10, 2021 (edited) Just seen the pictures of the actual blue/grey version and, oh dear... The CDL still on are the least of its problems. The ends of the grey are wrong, the grey band is too wide with the top too high (the upper blue stripe has been pushed up almost out of existence) the overhead warning flashes are the modern yellow type and of course the moulded on CDL lights are there. Would love to see the lame excuse Dapol come up with to explain this mess... On the plus side, the InterCity Sleeper lettering is actually the correct typeface for a change! Edited December 10, 2021 by John M Upton 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Pilotman Posted December 10, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 10, 2021 Have to agree with @John M Upton ; the blue/grey coaches are, at first glance, disappointing. Personally, I can overlook the CDL lights (the inclusion of which was presumably a tooling compromise) and the overhead warning flashes (which are tiny) but from the pictures I’ve seen, the depth of the grey band spoils the whole look of these coaches. That said, some carefully applied blue paint along the top of the coach sides should go some way to making these look more presentable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott B Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 Yes, my order duly cancelled. I too had accepted the CDL lights as a tooling compromise. I can also cope with the overhead warnings as they would be simple to correct. However the application of the grey and white border is shocking. I had mulled over addressing the issue with some blue paint but instead I have cancelled as the issues of matching the paint, re-applying the white border is neither appealing or should be necessary. Such a shame and over £200 quids worth of order lost to a company I would love to support. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crompton Power Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 Totally agree with the last few comments. Similar to Scott B I pondered over a way of fixing the livery error, but too much work to try to match the blue, a full repaint would probably be in order. My pre-order has also been cancelled, shame as I was looking forward to these. Keith. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steadfast Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 Any bets on which livery will hit the bargain bins first? The FGW dynamic lines seem to get redder and further from reality on each release Dapol do. Jo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium njee20 Posted December 10, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 10, 2021 The earliest dynamic lines mk3s weren't bad, and then it all went wrong on the buffets! Frustratingly that's also the first time they got the 1st class band at the ATP warning labels right though! I'm guessing there's variation in individual coaches, but the lettering is in completely the wrong place on the blue/grey one I looked at. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Adam1701D Posted December 10, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 10, 2021 Time to roll out the vinyl again... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Davexoc Posted December 11, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 11, 2021 17 hours ago, Steadfast said: Any bets on which livery will hit the bargain bins first? The FGW dynamic lines seem to get redder and further from reality on each release Dapol do. Jo Blue/grey, because my Farish ones look better than them. Even the pizza cutter wheel shod ones.... The dynamic lines might be camolagable (is that a word?) if not very prototypical under a layer of grime.... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Adam1701D Posted December 11, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 11, 2021 A nice Dynamic Lines Transfer should fix the FGW one. Blue/grey might need a little more work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fezza Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 I'm not sure about the blue/grey model - it might not be quite as bad as first thought. Looking at some video footage (Bowden collection 1988), the top blue band was very narrow so I don't thinks it's too far off. The lower blue band looks very slightly too far up the carriage. It would be interesting to know if anyone has scale drawings showing the livery to compare with the model. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott B Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 To my eyes the bottom of the grey area sits between the door handle and the angular fold on the door, which appears about right to me on the model. The top of the grey area appears to be about half way between the top of the door window and the black roof. The model has way more grey above the door than it should comparing it with the prototype images that I am looking at, some of which are linked bleow from the RW Carroll collection on Flickr. Kernow have a couple of nice large images of the model on their site for comparison. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium JR_P Posted December 12, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 12, 2021 All these livery errors really frustrate me - does Dapol actually bother to QC their livery artwork?…. do they even look at prototype photos?…. are they colour blind?…. I mean, the colours on the FGW ‘dynamics lines’ are terrible - seriously regretting pre-ordering these…. this is the last time I pre-order anything of Dapol’s. Funnily enough, I had also pre-ordered the KMS exclusives and I’m pretty happy with the livery on those - I’m guessing KMS probably had to sign-off those and therefore actually bothered to QC the livery. The fade on the First CS white stripe was done surprisingly well, or as good as could be expected for N gauge. ….. which leads me to conclude that the problem is Dapol themselves…. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John M Upton Posted December 17, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 17, 2021 Blue/Grey sleeper buffered up to earlier Dapol loco hauled SO supposedly in the same livery. Yeah... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium njee20 Posted December 17, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 17, 2021 Have you lowered the SO? There looks to be a noticeably smaller gap betwixt bogie and body. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Steven B Posted December 17, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 17, 2021 I wonder if Steve at Rail Tec Models and Adam and Electra Graphic eye's light up every time a new Dapol model hits the shops? On 10/12/2021 at 18:16, John M Upton said: On the plus side, the InterCity Sleeper lettering is actually the correct typeface for a change! The font's right, but the text is missing a "-". Most of the Mk3 sleepers I've seen photos of are labelled "Inter-City Sleeper". This is the only image I've found of blue/grey and "InterCity". 10713 Mk3 Sleeper at Kidderminste (28-10-2017) by blackwatch55013, on Flickr "ScotRail Sleeper" versions weren't hyphenated: MK3 Sleeper by Keith Valla, on Flickr The good news is that sleeper's ran mostly at night so the mistakes won't show in the dark. Steven B. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John M Upton Posted December 17, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 17, 2021 1 hour ago, njee20 said: Have you lowered the SO? There looks to be a noticeably smaller gap betwixt bogie and body. The SO is out of the box (all be it some years ago and I think I swapped the roof to get all my HST trailers matching) and yes, there is a noticeable height difference in addition to all the other problems. I am unsure if I can be bothered fixing the errors, is it worth waiting for a second batch that may be better done? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium njee20 Posted December 17, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 17, 2021 I wouldn't, they have zero form fixing stuff on subsequent batches! I think every single livery of mk3 has had a problem; the best you can hope for is that they do something else wrong next time! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Davexoc Posted December 17, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 17, 2021 6 hours ago, John M Upton said: The SO is out of the box (all be it some years ago and I think I swapped the roof to get all my HST trailers matching) and yes, there is a noticeable height difference in addition to all the other problems. The ride height is pre-departure, when the toilet retention tanks are still empty. It'll ride a bit lower once the passengers have drunk the bar dry... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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