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15 minutes ago, Kris said:

Looking at a photo of the real coach 10701 on Flicker it appears that there was only a single "sleeper" on this side. Admittedly the photo I found was from 2009 in "preservation". https://www.flickr.com/photos/rob37430/6765973043 

 

The spec was to have the word Sleeper at each end, though there must have been numerous occasions where this was not followed. It always pays to find a good selection of photos if you can. At least, when I mess up, it's a case of modify the artwork, a quick run through the printer and the cost of a stamp.

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3 hours ago, Davexoc said:

 

Maybe they were made to a pricepoint, one that didn't allow for the printing masks to be produced. They are cheap and would be classed as 'Railroad' in Hornby speak?

You might be right Davexoc but the other Dapol Mk3s are as cheap and have the surrounds. It just seems like a cock up really.

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19 hours ago, John M Upton said:

What shades of Intercity grey are those supposed to be?  Also despite the later o/h warning stickers, they missed off the orange cant rail line...

 

EDIT - Just noticed there are quite a lot of markings missing off the livery.  One for a detailing up project rather than ready to run I think.

 

I intended to buy an IC one to Scotrail blue stripe it (there was one) but I reckon there could be a complete repaint on the cards looking at that.

 

Any sign of the blue/grey versions yet?

Have you got a photo of this?

 

it seems like it did exist but we’ve never found a photo!

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There was thread about it elsewhere that did have a link to a photo but the link is now dead unfortunately.

 

It appears there were two, initially it was thought the stripe was the standard light blue but later it seems it was darker rail blue instead.  There is a photo of a Mk3 SO in the same colours with rail blue stripe on Flickr still and I intend to use that as a reference for the time being.

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Just picked up an Intercity Exec one and buffered it up to a IC Farish Mk1...

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Err, yeah...

 

Rather than a simple stripe repaint and some titivating, this is starting to look like a full respray...

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For me the light grey is too white, I prefer the warmer hue of the Farish mk1. But this is just Oxford mk3s all over again! Did they use that as the inspiration?!

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18 hours ago, Davexoc said:

 

Maybe they were made to a pricepoint, one that didn't allow for the printing masks to be produced. They are cheap and would be classed as 'Railroad' in Hornby speak?

I think that’s a dangerous assertion. They are the only N gauge mk3 available. A lot of the errors are not present on the cheaper ‘normal’ mk3s, they’ve been introduced on the sleeper.  These have never been marketed as a budget model. Dapol have been upfront in saying they weren’t tooling for different catering vehicles, due to cost, which is fine. These just feel like errors.   

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11 minutes ago, njee20 said:

I think that’s a dangerous assertion. They are the only N gauge mk3 available. A lot of the errors are not present on the cheaper ‘normal’ mk3s, they’ve been introduced on the sleeper.  These have never been marketed as a budget model. Dapol have been upfront in saying they weren’t tooling for different catering vehicles, due to cost, which is fine. These just feel like errors.   

Possibly, or as cost of production has increased they have absorbed it by doing less on the model to keep the price low.

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Some more pictures before I start to tackle it with sharp implements...

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The interior looks pretty good but the ends seem to be missing the tail lights?

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21 minutes ago, John M Upton said:

The interior looks pretty good but the ends seem to be missing the tail lights?

I mentioned that bottom of page 3 John, so you're not the only one to pick it up. But I suspect for the vast majority "ooh it's a sleeper" will do. The ends don't look right for any variety of loco hauled MK3 sadly. I get the feeling of Farish, Revolution or Cavalex had churned these out there'd be hell to pay. Hey ho.

 

As I said previously, hopefully these end up cheap enough to chop, paint and put some sticky bits on.

 

Jo

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10 minutes ago, Steadfast said:

I mentioned that bottom of page 3 John, so you're not the only one to pick it up. But I suspect for the vast majority "ooh it's a sleeper" will do. The ends don't look right for any variety of loco hauled MK3 sadly. I get the feeling of Farish, Revolution or Cavalex had churned these out there'd be hell to pay. Hey ho.

 

As I said previously, hopefully these end up cheap enough to chop, paint and put some sticky bits on.

 

Jo

I agree that Cavalex or Revolution would have had hell to pay, but had Farish have made them I feel it is likely that they would have had much less stick than Dapol, as for some contributors it feels that they can do no wrong. 

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12 minutes ago, Steadfast said:

I mentioned that bottom of page 3 John, so you're not the only one to pick it up. But I suspect for the vast majority "ooh it's a sleeper" will do. The ends don't look right for any variety of loco hauled MK3 sadly. I get the feeling of Farish, Revolution or Cavalex had churned these out there'd be hell to pay. Hey ho.

 

As I said previously, hopefully these end up cheap enough to chop, paint and put some sticky bits on.

 

Jo

I think Dapol get away with this because they keep the prices down, but it's making them now look at odds with Farish and RevolutioN.

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59 minutes ago, woodenhead said:

Possibly, or as cost of production has increased they have absorbed it by doing less on the model to keep the price low.

Occam's razor and that, I'll wager it's just an error. I think that would be a really poor show if that's what Dapol were doing though. Are you suggesting they're not going to put cantrail stripes on anything now, to keep costs down? Where does that end?

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30 minutes ago, Steadfast said:

I mentioned that bottom of page 3 John, so you're not the only one to pick it up. But I suspect for the vast majority "ooh it's a sleeper" will do. The ends don't look right for any variety of loco hauled MK3 sadly. I get the feeling of Farish, Revolution or Cavalex had churned these out there'd be hell to pay. Hey ho.

 

As I said previously, hopefully these end up cheap enough to chop, paint and put some sticky bits on.

 

Jo

From the slightly oblique angled shot I'd hoped they were still there, albeit too recessed, but yes, very clearly not been moulded.

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Being cheap to buy doesn’t excuse basic livery errors…. simple care and attention (and a QC review) should not add anything to the cost of the model.

 

You can spend hours reviewing livery diagrams and I know from personal experience that you do get tunnel vision and miss things - but not such basics like the font and the principal colours!


I think if Dapol didn’t have prior history of such errors people could be a bit more forgiving and put it down to a ‘bad day at the office’, but their inconsistency is so consistent!!!

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28 minutes ago, Kris said:

I agree that Cavalex or Revolution would have had hell to pay, but had Farish have made them I feel it is likely that they would have had much less stick than Dapol, as for some contributors it feels that they can do no wrong. 

 

True, but equally there seems to be a few with the view that Dapol can do no wrong. There's elements on Farish models I'm not keen on (37 NEMs, Mish mash of wire and moulded handrails on some locos, no air brake mk1s for example) and there may be the odd dubious colour used, but (unless I've missed something steamy, in which case I apologise) there's been nothing akin to this MK3 for many years.

 

10 minutes ago, njee20 said:

 Where does that end?

 

Unpainted models so we can do it ourselves, he says in jest!

 

8 minutes ago, JR_P said:

Being cheap to buy doesn’t excuse basic livery errors…. simple care and attention (and a QC review) should not add anything to the cost of the model.

 

You can spend hours reviewing livery diagrams and I know from personal experience that you do get tunnel vision and miss things - but not such basics like the font and the principal colours!


I think if Dapol didn’t have prior history of such errors people could be a bit more forgiving and put it down to a ‘bad day at the office’, but their inconsistency is so consistent!!!

Perfectly put!

 

Jo

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27 minutes ago, njee20 said:

Occam's razor and that, I'll wager it's just an error. I think that would be a really poor show if that's what Dapol were doing though. Are you suggesting they're not going to put cantrail stripes on anything now, to keep costs down? Where does that end?

It may be less research, less checking, less verification and maybe simplifying the spraying process.

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Yes, but again, where does that end? Given their ongoing ability to make basic livery errors I’m sticking by my statement. I’m not sure the majority of the market would choose a ‘low fat’ product to keep costs down. 

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8 minutes ago, njee20 said:

Yes, but again, where does that end? Given their ongoing ability to make basic livery errors I’m sticking by my statement. I’m not sure the majority of the market would choose a ‘low fat’ product to keep costs down. 

is this ongoing ability to make livery errors restricted to N gauge or do they do it across the board?

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From what I have seen, the errors seem to be mainly in N but OO scale does get them as well, remember the Class 68's with the Compass logo printed too far along the bodyside?  They did produce free body replacements for those though.

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3 minutes ago, Captain Electra said:

OK, I've gone and ordered one to measure up for vinyls. I'll see if I can improve on the RTR finish...

 

 

 

What with these and the TPE vinyls for the Kato 800, these RTR manufacturers are doing you favours

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50 minutes ago, Kris said:

I agree that Cavalex or Revolution would have had hell to pay, but had Farish have made them I feel it is likely that they would have had much less stick than Dapol, as for some contributors it feels that they can do no wrong. 

 

I guess it helps that 99% of the time Farish (and Revolution) get it right so there is less to criticise, except the lack of output, lead times and of course, the price.  

The problem with Dapol is one minute they are producing models of Class 68 quality, which I still rate as one of the best modern image locos ever produced in N Gauge, and the next they are churning out tat like these. In my case this means that I will never pre-order a Dapol product because you just don't know where it's going to be on the scale of 68 to Pacer. At least with the other manufacturers you can be confident that when it arrives it will be a generally sound model that runs well and looks good out of the box. 

 

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3 minutes ago, TomE said:

 

I guess it helps that 99% of the time Farish (and Revolution) get it right so there is less to criticise, except the lack of output, lead times and of course, the price.  

The problem with Dapol is one minute they are producing models of Class 68 quality, which I still rate as one of the best modern image locos ever produced in N Gauge, and the next they are churning out tat like these. In my case this means that I will never pre-order a Dapol product because you just don't know where it's going to be on the scale of 68 to Pacer. At least with the other manufacturers you can be confident that when it arrives it will be a generally sound model that runs well and looks good out of the box. 

 

Tom. 

To me, the 68 was a joint development with the OO model and had focus, the other items be it the Pacer, the new Mk3 sleepers and even the Maunsell coaches are N only items with protracted development that seem to come to a point where we get Dapol's 'Good enough' rather than a Farish or RevolutioN 'Good enough'

 

Look at the M7, where did they get the idea a loco of that size would be 'good enough' without any DCC readiness built in?

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