MarcD Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 I recently bought 2 sets of etches for Andrew Barclay 12inch "Piano" tanks. I have a few sketchy drawings and 2 photos and I need to manufacture all the non-etched parts. Marc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rope runner Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 What scale is this in Marc? I was unaware there was any etches available. Paul A. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcD Posted September 13, 2018 Author Share Posted September 13, 2018 The etches are available in 7mm from the Glasgow and South Western Rly Association. Etched N/S top with profile milled chassis in brass. They have been done in a very limited numbers. they are £35+£3p&p. there are no 3D parts. Marc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 Link for those interested. http://www.gswra.org/index.html Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatB Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 What a charming little loco. I'll be watching the build with interest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcD Posted September 13, 2018 Author Share Posted September 13, 2018 The instructions are a little limited don't even know what size wheels need to be fitted. so building might take some time. Page 1 side elevation and a photo and a little historical detail page 2 some history and photo of parts page 3 a GA no dimensions The etches and frames look ok but frames will need drilling out for bearings, pickups etc Marc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Argos Posted September 13, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 13, 2018 Are you planning to make the parts available Marc? I was sorely tempted by the etches at Telford but already have a long queue of kits. Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcD Posted September 13, 2018 Author Share Posted September 13, 2018 Simple answer Yes. No point in everyone reinventing the wheel. The plan is to get them produced in the nylon that we use for our axle boxes, wagon bodies. There is a high resolution for realy fine stuff. more expensive by worth it for really fine stuff. Ian Middelditch (G&SWRA) said there were only a few left. So if you want one you might have to email him quickly I have just had 10mins trying to ID all the etched parts don't think I have missed many. As I build it I will write some instructions and post photos so if anyone else has some they can learn from my cockups. A friend of mine has also bought two and he is going to try and dig out some info on them. I'm hoping to use the build to write a piece for the HMRS journal. I hoping to start once we have got back from the NEC in November. Marc 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian@stenochs Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 Hi Guys, There are only a few of the etches left and no more will be available when they are sold. They were designed by John Boyle when he did the G&SWRAs ‘Greenock Bogie’ kit and used up the spare etch space. The etches have been lying, forgotten about until recently. The kit is for the basic version without a cab but can build the Kilmarnock Works Shunter if one is prepared to scratchbuild the cab. I did but chickened out of the elaborate paint job and produced a contractors loco. Wheels on mine are a Slaters Barclay type but some locos had 6 spoke ones. The G&SWRA can supply a 7 mm drawing of the ‘Works’ version, contact me offline for more details. Ian. 6 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcD Posted September 13, 2018 Author Share Posted September 13, 2018 Ian, PM sent Marc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barclay Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 Looking forward to seeing this one come together. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruston Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 There is a photo of one of these in the latest Industrial Railway Record. I have the drawing from the G&SWR Association and plan to build one in 4mm. Marc - are the parts going to be 3D-printed? I'm just wondering because I guess it's very easy to then also make them in 4mm if they are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcD Posted September 14, 2018 Author Share Posted September 14, 2018 Yes my intention is to 3D print that's the good news components smaller than 0.8 mm are a bit of a hassle as that the smallest I can produce things. I can do s site glass in 7mm but it's on the edge of what can be produced. Big bit are not a problem. So things like chimneys and domes are OK as they don't have flared bottoms Marc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perthshed Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 Hi, I too bought a set of etches for the G&SWR piano tank this week 01/04/2020 can you let me know which wheels i should use and if I can get some of the castings. Thanks, Tony. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcD Posted April 1, 2020 Author Share Posted April 1, 2020 There aren't an y castings yet. I was working on 3D printing the parts but I am having to start again as I managed to loose all the CAD work when my laptop and USB stick died on the same day. Marc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian@stenochs Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 (edited) On 01/04/2020 at 16:16, Perthshed said: Hi, I too bought a set of etches for the G&SWR piano tank this week 01/04/2020 can you let me know which wheels i should use and if I can get some of the castings. Thanks, Tony. I am the G&SWRA person responsible for the sale of the etches. All gone now. They were designed some time ago by John Boyle, not as a full kit but as an aid to scratch building, and utilised a bit of spare sheet on another kit. There were no mainframes on the etch so we commissioned profile milled ones. Original drawings and information on early Barclay locomotives is thin on the ground so John put together a drawing from basic dimensions and photos. Purchasers of the etch got a copy of the drawing but part of it is reproduced here. The wheels on these early locos were varied, on this example they were 3’ diameter , 6 spokes, but some had 8 spoked wheels of a different diameter. Needless to say there are no commercial wheels on the market which look anything like the originals. When we got the etches originally I used some of them to build a model of 258, which became the G&SWR Works shunter on completion of the Largs branch where it had served the contractors. In actuality I didn’t finish it as ‘Works’ but made it a freelance loco which let me use the Slaters Barclay wheels. See my post of September 18 above. However I still wanted to build ‘Works’ which had 3’6”, 8 spoked, H section wheels, so during the Christmas holiday I made myself four wheels. I have now got the loco finished to painting stage, see below. While I was in the mood for wheels, sounds like a song, I made a pattern for the 3’, 6 spoke, at the same time. Currently away to be cast in resin but with the virus problem I don’t know when I will see the finished castings. I did however make one in solid brass just to see how it looked. Ian Edited April 4, 2020 by ian@stenochs Duplicate pictures 14 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcD Posted December 4, 2020 Author Share Posted December 4, 2020 Well its been some time coming but I'm finally making progress with the project. I now have my own HD 3D printer so I can do everything apart from etching inhouse. One of the few benefits that have come from Covid. I have redrawn the whole kit in 3D, or I will have by the end of next week. Those people who bought the etches I should have 3D parts in production before Christmas. For a chimney, filler cap and safety valves the cost is £25 + £3.5 postage. For those put off by the etch construction I'm hopefully going to have a kit ready by late spring. The top will mainly 3D printed with the sheeting in 18thou NS. The chassis will be 18thou NS with FS and S7 spacer and springing options. I'm hoping also to produce the correct wheels for it but this some time off as I don't access to my lathe. Once I have finished the 3D CAD model I will post the images Marc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Asterix2012 Posted December 4, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 4, 2020 Any plans for a 4mm one? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcD Posted December 4, 2020 Author Share Posted December 4, 2020 I hadn't but I can't see why I couldn't. Marc 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcD Posted December 8, 2020 Author Share Posted December 8, 2020 I have been going through the works order book and I have found this No Desp date Type Cyls (ins) DW ft/ins Gauge Owner when new 31 1.1.1865 0-4-0ST OC 12x20 3’6 Std Caledonian Railway Co 32 1.1.1865 0-4-0ST OC 12x20 3’6 Std Caledonian Railway Co 54 1.12.1866 0-4-0ST OC 12x20 3’6 Std Glasgow & South Western Railway 55 30.1.1867 0-4-0ST OC 12x20 3’6 Std Glasgow & South Western Railway 81 27.1.1869 0-4-0ST OC 12x20 3’6 Std Caledonian Railway Co 85 1.11.1869 0-4-0ST OC 12x20 3’6 Std Glasgow & South Western Railway 91 12.4.1870 0-4-0ST OC 12x20 3’6 Std Caledonian Railway Co 95 7.1.1870 0-4-0ST OC 12x20 3’6 Std Glasgow & South Western Railway 96 9.10.1870 0-4-0ST OC 12x20 3’6 Std Glasgow & South Western Railway 103 18.11.1870 0-4-0ST OC 12x20 3’6 Std Caledonian Railway Co 144 16.4.1874 0-4-0ST OC 12x20 3’6 Std Tredegar Ironworks [damaged in transit and purchased by GSWR] 149 27.6.1874 0-4-0ST OC 14x20 3' Std Caledonian Railway Co I knew about the 149 going to the Cally as I have a photo I knew the G&SWR had one but the rest are a bit of a mystery. Marc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruston Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 1 hour ago, Furness Wagon said: I have been going through the works order book and I have found this Is this online, or in an actual book? Is it available anywhere? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 this is from a facbook group, thuogh its a box tank not piano 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcD Posted December 8, 2020 Author Share Posted December 8, 2020 Ooooo nice Marc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcD Posted December 8, 2020 Author Share Posted December 8, 2020 3 hours ago, Ruston said: Is this online, or in an actual book? Is it available anywhere? The industrial locomotive society have all AB works numbers available as a PDF download. If I can find the link I will post it. Marc 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PenrithBeacon Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 4 hours ago, sir douglas said: this is from a facbook group, thuogh its a box tank not piano Interesting wheels Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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