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Hi all,

I've recently become more seriously interested in the RhB, in fact I've started building a coach kit.

My primary interest is RhB pre-electrification, ie steam era early 1900s. I've acquired a few items and judging by rtr models the green used on coaches, baggage vans etc seems close to (bizarrely) BR Loco green. Anyone out there have a closer or more definitive idea for a colour match, preferably out of the tin for consistency?

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Chris

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Hello,

 

Is the RhB green the same as for SBB? No doubt one of the RhB experts will be along to clarify. If the colour is the same, then you are looking for Green code NCS 8010-B90G. The nearest RAL equivelent is RAL6009.

 

For more details, have a look here.

 

Hope this helps!

 

Dave

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Evening all,

 

So, I'm a little further down the road with regard to RhB coach kits in HOm. Last year I acquired a Ferro Suisse 3 coach kit pack for some coaches which are part of the RhBs Historic Collection which run from time to time on special runs on the system. I started building these some time before Christmas and thought I'd share a few photos of their construction. I found a few pictures to help with the build.

 

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I started on this baggage van first. This appears to be a picture of the van in the time period the kit is based on. 

 

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I believe this is the same van after a rebuild, note the rounded windows and longer body and underframe - essentially the same as the Bemo model and how it is in use today as a Bar.

 

 

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I couldn't upload anymore pictures for some reason. Second attempt here goes :)

 

Given the kits are probably 30 or so years old they are still quality with some lovely detail parts. A good start was made with all the parts fitting nicely on the whole.

 

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I started with the van as it was slightly simpler having no interior seats to build. I diverged from the instructions slightly by adding some door bumpers on the exterior. I also made the roof removable by adding a cross bearer and adding  2 nuts to the roof for retention by added screws which may be just visible below. This was to aid painting. In hindsight I wish I'd made the doors slide too.

 

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The above also shows the underframe with the various details added. The steps are lost-wax castings and took a bit of patience to fit nicely. There's no end handrails yet as they attach to the ends and were very delicate. One axle has a rocking beam for some degree of axle compensation.

 

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Now with the handrails added and end couplings and brake handle attached making sure the body is round the correct way. [Yes I did get it wrong on another coach! :( ] I added the centre buffer after painting.

 

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Pretty much complete now bar wheels and buffers. I also added some retainers on the inside ends of the roof to support the very flimsy vertical handrails. I just love those brass hose and coupling castings :) :) . Although not shown in these photos, I later added some separate gutters from brass wire as I wasn't happy with the etched line along the edge. It also gave a better apparent fit between the roof and the body side.

 

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Apologies for the tardiness of the reply Jim, I'm a bit of an erratic visitor to visiting and posting on RMweb. I had a trip to Switzerland at the beginning of March which confused things abit. There was also a EM gauge job to do and a Weinert HOm DR Gepackwagen kit wormhole I started to disappear into …..

 

Yes, I did contact Thomas earlier in the build and he gave me some advice re colours, essentially he mixes his own shade which appears to be more of a slightly darker blue green.

To complicate things a little more I acquired a Ferro Suisse B2 2061 on which the colour did appear to be close to Precision BR loco green so I determined to use that for matching consistency on these models as they will more than likely run together. My own attempts to mix a suitable green left me dissatisfied but more recently I have used  a 50:50 mix of BR green and Humbrol 88 Deck Green on a scratch built F series Gepackwagen body which I'm happy with.

 

So the built coaches are seen below before painting and very enjoyable it was too. Lots of lovely brass to solder!

 

 

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A 1102

 

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B 2060

 

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D 4052

 

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A 1102 interior

 

The interiors are etched brass too and another deviation I made was to cast the seats in 1102 in resin, the originals were whitemetal so would have made the finished coach very heavy.

Those handrails are attached to the platform ends and hence very vunerable. 

I have some pictures of them painted but not great quality.

 

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You should have a look at Thomas Kestenholz's site

 

I cannot recommend Thomas's site enough, personally a great inspiration for steam era RhB.

 

Chris

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So as promised some photos of the finished articles, A1102, B2060 and F4052 - couldn't resist adding Preiser people. Can't seem to find anymore of these 1913 passengers unfortunately :(.

 

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The photo below shows a comparison with the Ferro Suisse factory built B2061 which I was trying to match, I think I'm 95% happy. My version has a slightly yellower tinge to the green I think but I can live with that. One problem I had was the decals didn't attach 'invisibly' . I'm not sure if they are a bit old (40 years) or maybe the surface wasn't glossy enough. Of course FS managed it perfectly......IMG_20190630_161219__01.jpg.213799513769f1c5e1562c1d91d60028.jpg

 

The FS B2061 is lightly weathered mostly noticeable on the roof, will have to get some passengers in it.

 

Looking at these photos again that reminds that the rail (Tillig code 80) looks quite chunky, not really sure early RhB track would have such a big section, may have to experiment with code 60?  I'm not entirely convinced by the Bemo type couplings either. Something else to think about. :wacko:

 

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And for those who like underneaths.

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And the complete rake look quite nice together, might have to double head on any sort of incline as they have some weight to them!

 

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All in all I really enjoyed building these coaches and am getting to grips with my chosen era of the early RhB given I've only recently got hooked on it. I realise this is basically a historic rake so may not fit in entirely but I can run a historic service can't I ? 

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Look superb in my opinion - its a fascinating period with the rapid switch to hydro power and motive power developments. I have a lovely Ferro Suise / Joe Works G4/5 that would compliment them beautifully - but waiting for a new valve link to be etched, they are VERY fragile, fractured in the middle of the crankpin hole.

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Look great, with the decals could you get some Solvaset under them? Damp them down and prick them in a few places so it can get thru underneath and snuggle them down? Just looks like air underneath so probably they are a bit old and stiff. 

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On 08/07/2019 at 13:37, JimFin said:

Look superb in my opinion - its a fascinating period with the rapid switch to hydro power and motive power developments. I have a lovely Ferro Suise / Joe Works G4/5 that would compliment them beautifully - but waiting for a new valve link to be etched, they are VERY fragile, fractured in the middle of the crankpin hole.

Thanks Jim, as I said really enjoyed building them and they pushed my painting abilities. I seem to have acquired another FS set so may be able to juggle the supplied numbers to make an A10 and B2062 ( or B262 for pre 1911 to more properly match my era) if I did a bit of cutting and shutting. Not quite sure what to do with the van D 4052 as it was a later 1928 build so not quite in my era. 

Yes a very interesting period even during steam when the RhB was rapidly expanding and consequently learning the limitations of it's motive power. Unfortunately I'm not a big lover of catenary but do find the early electric locos to have a certain archaic beauty, 

I have to say I'm a little envious of your FS G4/5, I may be tempted one day. I do hope the repair goes well!  

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On 08/07/2019 at 13:43, PaulRhB said:

Look great, with the decals could you get some Solvaset under them? Damp them down and prick them in a few places so it can get thru underneath and snuggle them down? Just looks like air underneath so probably they are a bit old and stiff. 

Thanks Paul. I did use Microsol/ Microset at the time frustratingly. I'm still wondering if the surface wasn't gloss enough. 

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