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Advance Notice - The Wishlist Poll 2018

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Advance Notice – The Wishlist Poll 2018

From The Poll Team

 

As many of you will be aware, The Wishlist Poll – which normally runs annually – ‘took a holiday’ in 2017.

 

We are pleased to say that we are back for 2018 and The Poll will be hosted here on RMweb from early on Monday 15 October until midnight on Saturday 3 November. We hope to publish the results within a few days of closing. Andy York – who constructs ‘the computerised aspects’ for us – has no ‘influence’ on the content and kindly acts as a volunteer in his own time.

 

A lot has happened since we published the 2016 results! The breakdown of 00 items announced so far – and sometimes even delivered by now – is as below:

  • 10          From the Top 50
  • 17          From the High Polling segment
  • 9            From the Middle Polling segment (six were above the overall half-way mark)
  • 3            From the Low Polling segment         

 

Notice the predominance of items towards the high end.

 

However, two additional items were announced that we didn’t have listed:

  • Rail-mounted Gun. Oxford Rail
  • PRA Wagon. Kernow Model Centre

 

What’s new for 2018?

 

We have much that’s new – and we’ll explain that further in the next section – but first some N news.

 

About 70% of our effort was going to the N Poll, but it was only attracting about 20% of the voters. Added to this, our ‘lead role’, Brian Macdermott, now has more restrictions placed on his available time – he is a ‘carer’ for his disabled wife – so we have taken the decision to not run N.

 

But all is not lost! Discussions are in hand for another group to take that on in the future using our Guide notes as a basis.

 

The good news for 00 modellers is that – along with the deletion of the 39 items announced since the 2016 Results – we have ‘freed up some space’ and will be listing 92 new items in response to your suggestions.

 

What is the running order of The Poll? And what is new in each of the 20 categories?

 

The running order is still the same but we have clarified some titles. We think you’ll like what we have for you!

 

     Locos: GWR & Constituents

The following are new:

  • Barry Railway Class B1 0-6-2T
  • BPGVR Hudswell Clarke 0-6-0T
  • GWR ‘Metro’ Tank 2-4-0T
  • GWR Collett 57xx/8750 0-6-0PT
  • GWR Collett 2251 0-6-0

 

     Locos: SR & Constituents

The following are new:

  • LBSCR Marsh J1 & J2 Class 4-6-2T
  • LSWR Adams A12 ‘Jubilee’ 0-4-2
  • LSWR Drummond K10 4-4-0
  • LSWR Drummond L11 4-4-0
  • LSWR Drummond T14 ‘Paddlebox’ 4-6-0

We have ‘split’ the previously combined SECR D & E classes thus:

  • 4-4-0 SECR D (31057-31750 with gaps)
  • 4-4-0 SECR E (31036-31587 with gaps)

 

Locos: LMS & Constituents

The following are new:

  • FR Pettigrew Class 3F 0-6-0
  • LNWR Webb 5ft 6in 1P 2-4-2T
  • LNWR Bowen Cooke Prince of Wales 4-6-0
  • LNWR Whale 19in Goods 4-6-0
  • MR Kirtley 0-6-0
  • MR/LMS Johnson 115 Class ‘Spinner’ 4-2-2

We have ‘split’ the previously combined Caprotti ‘Black 5s’ as:

  • (LMS) Stanier ‘Black 5’ Caprotti 5MT 4-6-0 – High Running Plate (44686 & 44687)
  • (LMS) Stanier ‘Black 5’ Caprotti 5MT 4-6-0 – Low Running Plate (44738-44757)

 

    Locos: LNER & Constituents

The following are new:

  • GCR C4 Atlantic 4-4-2
  • HBR N13 0-6-2T 
  • NBR C15 4-4-2T
  • NER/LNER D17/1 & D17/2 4-4-0
  • NER C7 Atlantic 4-4-2
  • NER J77 0-6-0T

The B12s have been ‘split’ thus:

  • GER/LNER B12 4-6-0
  • GER/LNER B12/4 4-6-0

The B16s have been ‘split’ thus:

  • NER B16/1 4-6-0          
  • NER/LNER B16/2 4-6-0
  • NER/LNER B16/3 4-6-0

The J67/68/69 have been ‘split’ thus:

  • GER J67/J69 0-6-0T
  • GER J68 0-6-0T

 

     Locos: BR Standard, WD & USATC

As might be expected, there are no new items here, but there are some new ‘links’.

 

     Locos: Gas Turbine, Diesel & Electric

We have changed the title slightly to reflect the running order of the content. The following are new:

  • D0226 & D0227
  • D2200-D2341
  • D2400-D2409              
  • D2708-D2780              
  • 15101-15106
  • 15201-15203

 

     Railbuses, Railcars & DMUs

We have revised the listing order as below to give you greater clarity:

  • Railbuses
  • Railcars
  • DMUs – Pre-TOPS classes (includes WR 8-car Blue Pullman)
  • DMUs – TOPS classes (includes a DPU and some DEMUs)

The following are new:

  • Railbus – Wickham
  • Railcar – ACV/BUT
  • Class 116/125
  • Class 195/0 & 195/1
  • Class 230 Vivarail

We have re-instated the Wickham even though we believe it was announced some years ago. We have re-instated Class 116/125 – previously deleted when we thought Kernow were going to produce Class 117.

 

     EMUs

We have revised the listing order as below to give you greater clarity:

  • Pre-TOPS units
  • Class 3xx (but 504 is with 304/305/308; 506 is with 306; 507/8 are with 313/314/315)
  • Class 4xx (but for Classes 483, 485, 486 and 487 see London Underground category)
  • Class 5xx (but see above for 504, 506, 507/8)
  • Class 7xx

The following are new:

  • 5 BEL Southern Railway Brighton Belle (c.1957-c.1964)
  • Class 331/0 & 331/1
  • Class 397
  • Class 700/707/717
  • Class 710

We have ‘split’ the previously combined LMS Watford Compartment sets and LNWR Oerlikon sets thus:

  • LMS Watford Compartment EMUs
  • LNWR Oerlikon EMUs

The following have had a complete re-write of the text.

  • Class 357/375/377/379/387 Electrostar
  • Class 376 Electrostar & 378 Capitalstar

 

     Coaches: GWR & Constituents

The following are new:

  • GWR Collett Non-gangwayed ‘Main Line & City’ Articulated Sets (1925)
  • GWR Collett Gangwayed Bow Ended Coaches 61ft 4½in Cornish Riviera etc (1929-1933)

We have ‘split’ the previously combined Bow & Flat Ended Non-gangwayed stock thus:

  • GWR Collett Non-gangwayed Bow Ended Coaches (1930-1933)
  • GWR Collett Non-gangwayed Flat Ended Coaches (1937-1940)

We have ‘split’ the previously combined H33 and H38 Dining Cars thus:

  • GWR Collett Dining Cars (Diag.H33 of 1925)
  • GWR Collett Dining Cars (Diag.H38 of 1931)

 

     Coaches: SR & Constituents

The following are new:

  • LBSCR 4-wheel Stock
  • LBSCR Elliptical (‘Balloon’) Stock
  • SECR/SR – Pull & Push No.660

Bachmann announced its Bulleid range, but this has left the following gaps, which we now list individually:

  • (SR) Bulleid 10¼in Vent Corridor Brake Composite ‘Loose’ (Diag.2406 BCK of 1948)
  • (SR) Bulleid 15in Vent Corridor First (Diag.2552 of 1949)
  • (SR) Bulleid 15in Vent Open Third (Diag.2017 of 1950)

 

     Coaches: LMS & Constituents

The following are new:

  • GSWR Gangwayed & Non-gangwayed Stock
  • HR Gangwayed & Non-gangwayed Stock
  • LMS Period II Restaurant First 68ft 12-wheel (Diags.1718 & 1810)
  • LMS Period III Restaurant First 68ft 12-wheel (Diags.1857 & 1900)
  • LMS Period III Restaurant Composite 68ft 12-wheel (Diag.1938)
  • LTSR Gangwayed & Non-gangwayed Stock
  • WCJS West Coast Joint Stock (but listed ‘generically’ due to complexity)

 

     Coaches: LNER & Constituents

The following are new:

  • ECJS East Coast Joint Stock (but listed ‘generically’ due to complexity)
  • GER Non-gangwayed Standard 54ft Stock (1911)
  • GNR 6-wheel Stock – to run with Stirling Single
  • GNSR Non-gangwayed & Gangwayed Stock
  • HBR Non-gangwayed & Gangwayed Stock
  • LNER Gresley Non-Gangwayed Ilford Stock 54ft 1½in (Diags.202, 203, 204, 205 of 1935/6)
  • LNER Thompson Sleeping Cars 66ft 6in (1947-1952)
  • MGNR Non-gangwayed & Gangwayed Stock
  • NBR Non-gangwayed & Gangwayed Stock
  • NER Non-gangwayed Stock – 52ft Clerestory (Diags.5, 7,14, 18 of 1895-1906)
  • NER Non-gangwayed Stock – 52ft Flat Matchboard Sides (Diags.110-114, of 1905/6)
  • NER Non-gangwayed Stock – 49ft & 52ft Elliptical (1906-1923)

We have ‘split’ the previously combined BR-era Beaver Tail Observation Cars thus:

  • (LNER) Beaver Tail Observation Cars – Rounded Design (as running 1950-1959)
  • (LNER) Beaver Tail Observation Cars – Angular Design (as rebuilt 1959)

 

Coaches: BR & Successors + Pullman Cars

We have amended the title to include ‘Successors’ of BR as we now list Mk5 stock. The following are new:

  • BR Mk1 Restaurant First (RF, Diag.16, built 1952)
  • BR Mk1 Restaurant First (RF, Diag.17, built 1961-2)
  • BR XP64 Stock (1964)
  • Mk5a Stock (2018)
  • Mk5 Caledonian Sleeper Vehicles (2018)

 

     Coaching Stock: Non-passenger-carrying

The following are new:

  • GWR & LMS Palethorpes Sausage Vans – 4-, 6- & 8-wheel
  • GWR Passenger Brake Van – Collett (K40)
  • LBSCR Horse Box
  • LSWR Horse Box
  • SECR Passenger Luggage Van (PLV/PMV)
  • LNWR CCT 6-wheel (Diags.444/A)
  • LNWR Passenger Brake Van (Diags.375 & 382)
  • NER Horse Box
  • NER Passenger Brake Van 6-wheel

Additional to the new GWR K40 Passenger Brake Van listing above, we have ‘split’ the previously combined K41 and K42 Vans thus:

  • GWR Passenger Brake Van – Collett (Diag.K41 of 1934-1936)
  • GWR Passenger Brake Van – Collett (Diag.K42 of 1937-1945)

 

     Freight Stock: Pre-1948 (but inc BR descendants)

The following are new:

  • GNSR Wagons, Vans & Brake Vans
  • GSWR Wagons, Vans & Brake Vans
  • HR Wagons, Vans & Brake Vans
  • HBR Wagons, Vans & Brake Vans
  • MGNR Wagons, Vans & Brake Vans

TMC have produced the Plate and Double Bolster Wagons but haven’t announced the ‘matching’ Trestle Wagon, so we have listed that for you individually:

  • LNER/LMS/BR Trestle Wagon (inc BR Diag.1/415 etc of 1949)

We have ‘split’ the previously combined GWR Damos & Asmos thus:

  • GWR Motor Car Van – Asmo 33ft (Diags.G26 & G32 of 1930)
  • GWR Motor Car Van – Damo A 30ft (Diag.G24 of 1925)
  • GWR Motor Car Van – Damo B 20ft (Diag.G25 of 1925)

We have ‘split’ the previously combined SR Short & Long Container Wagons thus:

  • SR Container Wagon – 9ft & 10ft wheelbase (Diags.1382 & 1399 of 1931/1938)
  • SR Container Wagon – 18ft 7in wheelbase (Diag.1383 of 1931)

 

Freight Stock: 1948-1963

We have referenced the Dace permanent way wagon conversions of 1984 within the Shochood B:

  • BR High Goods – Shochood B & Later Dace (Diag.1/058 of 1962 & conversion of 1984)

We have combined the previously separate 42-ton Bogie Plate Wagon and LNER Quint D Bogie Bolster thus:

  • LNER/LMS/BR Bogie Plate Wagon 42-ton/Bogie Bolster Quint D (inc BR Diag.1/490 etc of 1949)

We have ‘split’ the previously combined 4- and 8-wheel Liquid Chlorine Tank Wagons thus:

  • (BR) Tank Wagon – Liquid Chlorine, 4-wheel
  • (BR) Tank Wagon – Liquid Chlorine, 8-wheel

 

Freight Stock: 1964-current

Just one is new:

  • Covered Steel Wagon – IHA

 

General Railway Service Stock (Departmental)

We have added ‘Departmental’ to the title as that is how some people recognise the subject. The following are new:

  • LSWR Drummond’s ‘Bug’ 4-2-4T
  • LMS Twin & Triple Gas Holder Wagons 18ft Tank (Diags.1815, 1816 & 1825)
  • Network Rail 950 001
  • Rail Grinder – Network Rail New (2018)
  • Southern Railway Inspection Saloon DS291

 

Standard Gauge Industrial

Nothing new as we keep the generic listing style static even if items get announced.

 

London Underground (inc IoW stock)

We have changed the title to be more specific to ‘London’ Underground (although we still, of course, include those items which went to the Isle of Wight). The following are new:

  • Underground Steam Loco Peckett S Class 0-6-0ST
  • Underground Steam Loco Metropolitan F Class 0-6-2T
  • Underground Steam Loco Metropolitan K Class 2-6-4T
  • Underground Metropolitan ‘Ashbury/Chesham’ Coaches (1898/1900)
  • Underground 1940 Waterloo & City Stock (later Class 487) (inc Match Trucks for transport to BR Works)

 

Did you notice anything?

 

What we hope you will have noticed from the lists above is that the greater majority of new steam locos and steam era rolling stock is taken from the Pre-grouping era.

 

Can we still add any items for 2018?

 

The 2018 list has already gone to Andy York – but you are welcome to suggest items for 2019, either on RMweb or directly to The Poll Team at the email address below.

 

Record turnout?

 

We have already had very positive responses to our Press Release and mini-posters from clubs and societies as far away as New Zealand, Canada and the USA.

 

If you haven’t voted before, we hope these changes will convince you to take part. Perhaps you could forward these details – and the accompanying mini-posters – to any friends who may wish to know? Thanks!

 

The Poll Team

 

The Poll Team comprises: Neil Burgess, Robert Carroll, Chris Knowles-Thomas, John Lewis, Jeff Lynn, Brian Macdermott, Nick Stanbury, Ian Taylor and Glen Woods. We are totally independent and unpaid.

 

Email: thepollteam(at)gmail.com

 

 

1. 2018 Poll A5 Mini-poster.pdf

2. 2018 Poll A4 Poster.pdf

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EMUs

We have revised the listing order as below to give you greater clarity:

  • Pre-TOPS units
  • Class 3xx (but 504 is with 304/305/308; 506 is with 306; 507/8 are with 313/314/315)
  • Class 4xx (but for Classes 483, 485, 486 and 487 see London Underground category)
  • Class 5xx (but see above for 504, 506, 507/8)
  • Class 7xx

The following are new:

  • 5 BEL Southern Railway Brighton Belle (c.1957-c.1964)
  • Class 331/0 & 331/1
  • Class 397
  • Class 700/707/717
  • Class 710

 

It will be interesting to how many votes some of these EMUs, especially the most modern ones, get. I can see people voting for 2,3 and 4-car units and them selling, but at what point does length put people off buying? I could never run a full length Class 707 for example, but might - if the prototype was of sufficient interest - run a shortened version. Bachmann has effectively offered that option with the Underground S stock for the LTM as has Hornby by selling the 5-BEL driving coaches separately from the intermediates.

 

Although it seems too late for this year, would it make sense to include a sort of sub-vote for these long EMUs asking whether people would buy un-prototypical shorter versions (perhaps with the additional vehicles being sold separately for those who want them)? That approach is quite common for European EMUs.

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Any chance of getting Swindon Cross Country dmu, class 120, into the dmu section?

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It will be interesting to how many votes some of these EMUs, especially the most modern ones, get. I can see people voting for 2,3 and 4-car units and them selling, but at what point does length put people off buying? I could never run a full length Class 707 for example, but might - if the prototype was of sufficient interest - run a shortened version. Bachmann has effectively offered that option with the Underground S stock for the LTM as has Hornby by selling the 5-BEL driving coaches separately from the intermediates.

 

Although it seems too late for this year, would it make sense to include a sort of sub-vote for these long EMUs asking whether people would buy un-prototypical shorter versions (perhaps with the additional vehicles being sold separately for those who want them)? That approach is quite common for European EMUs.

 

Hello Andrew

 

Thanks for the comment - I will put it on the 2019 Agenda for you.

 

Brian (on behalf of The Poll Team)

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Any chance of getting Swindon Cross Country dmu, class 120, into the dmu section?

 

Hello Johnster

 

The list above only shows what's 'new' (or amended etc). When you go in to vote (from 15 October) you will find the Class 120 waiting for you.

 

It may hearten you to know that not only has it been the highest-voted DMU since 2012, it has been in the overall The Top 10 since then, too.

 

Brian (on behalf of The Poll Team)

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Hello Chris

 

You have read your own interpretation into that, so I re-state our reasons below. The Team felt for a long time that it couldn't do an N Poll justice - we are mainly 00. If the group noted below takes it on, you will get a much better result.

 

Brian (on behalf of The Poll Team)

 

(Extract from #1 above)

About 70% of our effort was going to the N Poll, but it was only attracting about 20% of the voters. Added to this, our ‘lead role’, Brian Macdermott, now has more restrictions placed on his available time – he is a ‘carer’ for his disabled wife – so we have taken the decision to not run N. But all is not lost! Discussions are in hand for another group to take that on in the future using our Guide notes as a basis.

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Hello Chris

 

You have read your own interpretation into that, so I re-state our reasons below. The Team felt for a long time that it couldn't do an N Poll justice - we are mainly 00. If the group noted below takes it on, you will get a much better result.

 

Brian (on behalf of The Poll Team)

 

(Extract from #1 above)

About 70% of our effort was going to the N Poll, but it was only attracting about 20% of the voters. Added to this, our ‘lead role’, Brian Macdermott, now has more restrictions placed on his available time – he is a ‘carer’ for his disabled wife – so we have taken the decision to not run N. But all is not lost! Discussions are in hand for another group to take that on in the future using our Guide notes as a basis.

 

Chris M was correct, you highlight this as a general whishlist poll and then make it OO only as you are not sufficiently interseted in anything else. If you had titled this as only a OO wish list then no problem; but you did not. 

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As a n gauge modeller this announcement is a huge disappointment. 

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Come on the guy is doing people a favour and you are chucking your toys out of the pram due to it not featuring your minority scale. Yes 20% really is a minority.

 

 

He's already explained that his time is a premium for personal reasons.

 

 

Now grow up and stop acting like children.

 

 

 

Jason

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I fully understand the reasons behind this decision so would suggest that the title be changed to OO wishlist poll or whatever. As an N gauge modeler who has always voted in previous years I am disappointed but except the decision.

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Come on the guy is doing people a favour and you are chucking your toys out of the pram due to it not featuring your minority scale. Yes 20% really is a minority.

 

 

He's already explained that his time is a premium for personal reasons.

 

 

Now grow up and stop acting like children.

 

 

 

Jason

I was typing my rather polite reply while this rude one was being spat out. Grow up yourself we are all allowed opinions.

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Chris M was correct, you highlight this as a general whishlist poll and then make it OO only as you are not sufficiently interseted in anything else. If you had titled this as only a OO wish list then no problem; but you did not. 

 

Hello Bomag

 

As part of the 'handover' of our Guide notes - free, gratis and for nothing (barring a few reasonable caveats) - we suggested that we would, in future, call 'our' Poll The 00 Wishlist Poll so that they could then distinguish themselves as The N Wishlist Poll (if they so desired). We haven't yet heard back and time has moved on.

 

Brian

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I model in 4mm, 3.5mm and 1:48 narrow gauge. I have absolutely no idea what is and isn’t already available in N Gauge, although I suspect there are far more models in waiting than in 4mm. So how would I know where to start in listing N Gauge items for wishlisting?

 

The N Gauge fraternity is entitled to a wishlist. But it needs to be compiled as expertly as possible. A 4mm-centric team is not the best option.

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Thanks Ian

 

We did have a certain amount of help with N from some good 'N people' over the years but - despite numerous requests around the N community - we have never been able to secure a team with sufficiently broad knowledge across all the eras and categories. We did our best, but the time had come to call a halt. 

 

We hope 00 modellers will 'feel the benefit' with what we now list and we also hope that the N Team gets itself together for the benefit of N modellers.

 

Brian (on behalf of The Poll Team)

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Thanks Brian and the rest of the team for bringing back the poll - even if the N-ists are disappointed, which I understand, but equally understand why something has had to give.  If there are posters who feel sufficiently strongly, perhaps they could volunteer to take over the reins.

 

On the new items that you are proposing I am particularly pleased to see stock to match some of the suggested locos - or already released locos.  Orphaned releases is something I have commented on in  previous years.  I hope that the poll results back this up with equal enthusiasm for the locos as well as for the stock.

 

There are however still orphaned locomotives and perhaps you and the team might like to consider for next year:

 

GCR coaches to go with the 2 x GCR Director class - Barnum stock might be something that is a bit different from run of the mill coaches, alternatively GCR clerestory coaches.

GCR brake van and goods stock to go with the 2-8-0 and 0-6-0 - note the Bachmann Collectors' Club GCR goods wagon release included 1 GCR wagon, I CLC and an LNER, so we can say this has not yet been done.

LYR coaches to go with the 2-4-2T.

SECR goods stock to go with the C Class including a brake van (not out of period Dance Hall please)

 

Many of these not too specific suggestions would have existed through to BR and some into preservation, so the options for the manufacturer to get full value from his moulds are great.

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Hello Andy

 

Many thanks for the comments - appreciated.

 

As noted earlier, my list at #1 is simply what is 'new' (or amended etc). We already have the stock mentioned listed below from previous years and you will find them waiting for you when you vote:

GCR Non-gangwayed & Gangwayed 60ft Stock (not 'Barnums')

GCR Gangwayed Stock ('Barnums')

LYR Gangwayed & Non-gangwayed Elliptical Roof Stock 54ft & 56ft

GCR Wagons, Vans & Brake Vans

SECR Wagons, Vans & Brake Vans

 

When The Poll goes live on 15 October, we would ask voters to have a look at The GuideEach category has a summary of the content in the same form as you will find it 'on the voting slip'. 

 

Brian (on behalf of The Poll Team)

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So the main thing on the Wishlist Poll for N gauge modellers is an N gauge Wishlist Poll....

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Hello Stubby

 

Our hope is that this 'Hard Nexit' will prompt a good N Team into action for the benefit of the N community.

 

Brian (on behalf of The Poll Team)

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It will be interesting to how many votes some of these EMUs, especially the most modern ones, get. I can see people voting for 2,3 and 4-car units and them selling, but at what point does length put people off buying? I could never run a full length Class 707 for example, but might - if the prototype was of sufficient interest - run a shortened version.

Indeed!

 

I certainly would.

 

A bit disappointed there isn't much in the modern era. I know there's a fair bit, but I always see announcements for some sort of new steam engine but not as regular for something modern.

 

I would have thought the 195/331 combo would be good as once you've CAD'd the first, the second class would be less work to adjust.

 

I'm also a bit surprised TOCs don't get in on the act and stick their name and brand with it to share in the profits.

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Hello Sir Topham

 

Eleven of the 92 'all new items' for 2018 are post-steam era, with most from the past decade. That's nearly 12% of new entries. Class 357 didn't appear last year, but has been 'blended' with certain other Electrostars (as in Post #1).

 

Of the 39 items announced since 2016 (from what we list), ten have been from the post-steam era or very much towards the end of it.

 

We are always happy to take suggestions.

 

Brian (on behalf of The Poll Team)

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We did have a certain amount of help with N from some good 'N people' over the years but - despite numerous requests around the N community - we have never been able to secure a team with sufficiently broad knowledge across all the eras and categories. We did our best, but the time had come to call a halt.

 

20% of voters anoyed, but at least a few of the 80% now have a choice of which Capriotti 5MT they can vote for....

 

Like other N gauge modellers I'm sorry to see the N Gauge poll being dropped. I've not seen any requests for helpers on the N Gauge Forum, or via the N Gauge Society though; I'm sure there are plenty of N Gauge modellers on here who could also have helped. What qualitfications are needed?

 

 

 

Steven B.

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Hello Steve

 

If you want to drop me a PM with your email address, I will happily forward that to the person concerned.

 

Brian (on behalf of The Poll Team)

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