David4472 Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 Does anyone know, if with jumper cables fitted between the coaches, can the light for the whole train be operated with only one brake DDC fitted? David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pre Grouping fan Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 Not knowing much about DCC control but units in 00 are through wired with electrical couplings so if you through wire all the coaches/lighting then I guess it would be possible to use 1 decoder.o Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnofwessex Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 Will they be avalible in Southern Livery? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pre Grouping fan Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, johnofwessex said: Will they be avalible in Southern Livery? I think Dapol are working through the history of the coaches starting with the early ones so SR livery will follow in future batches Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 Can anyone say whether it will be reasonably possible, without causing damage, to dismantle the running-gear of these to fit alternative wheelsets? My own taste is for G0G 'coarse', but I can imagine S7 people asking the same question. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcD Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 It's a good question. I know a few people who have tried to convert one of the turbot wagons to S7 with little or no success. It will be interesting to get an answer. Marc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldfish Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 9 hours ago, Nearholmer said: Can anyone say whether it will be reasonably possible, without causing damage, to dismantle the running-gear of these to fit alternative wheelsets? My own taste is for G0G 'coarse', but I can imagine S7 people asking the same question. Have you tried fine scale wheels through your Maldon points? Changing the wheels is unlikely to be successful because of lack of room to accommodate the wider tread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 56 minutes ago, goldfish said: Have you tried fine scale wheels through your Maldon Yes, and they do precisely what you’d expect with a 29mm b-t-b on facing points set for 27.5mm b-t-b, they hit the crossing noses, not every time, but frequently enough to cause trouble. Looking at the photos above, I think there almost certainly is clearance for the width of G0G coarse wheels, although one would have to check of course, and journal- length comes into play too. It would be major leap for me to bring modern plastic onto the layout, but It’s worth finding these things out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldfish Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 4 minutes ago, Nearholmer said: Yes, and they do precisely what you’d expect with a 29mm b-t-b on facing points set for 27.5mm b-t-b, they hit the crossing noses, not every time, but frequently enough to cause trouble. Looking at the photos above, I think there almost certainly is clearance for the width of G0G coarse wheels, although one would have to check of course, and journal- length comes into play too. It would be major leap for me to bring modern plastic onto the layout, but It’s worth finding these things out. I rather thought that was the case with the points. The coaches have a die cast chassis which appears to held in place by 4 screws. One possibility that occurred to me was to butcher the chassis and fit ETS axles boxes and wheels, but that does seem a little drastic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldfish Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 On 11/09/2020 at 21:34, Nearholmer said: Can anyone say whether it will be reasonably possible, without causing damage, to dismantle the running-gear of these to fit alternative wheelsets? My own taste is for G0G 'coarse', but I can imagine S7 people asking the same question. Doing a little research, it appears that the Scale 7 Group sell "Dapol replacement wagon axles from Slater's" for converting to broad gauge so it must be possible to replace at least some wheel sets. https://www.scaleseven.org.uk/index.php?id=147 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldfish Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 On 11/09/2020 at 21:34, Nearholmer said: Can anyone say whether it will be reasonably possible, without causing damage, to dismantle the running-gear of these to fit alternative wheelsets? My own taste is for G0G 'coarse', but I can imagine S7 people asking the same question. I asked Dapol through their contact page if it was possible to fit Slaters coarse scale wheels. The reply: "Sorry no, our wheel sets have pin points at a shorter distance." It is not all bad news however: "coaches with buffers use standard screw link sprung couplings." So it is an easy matter to fit drop link couplings. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
47606odin Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 Okay, not knowing much about coaching stock of this age. Back in the early days, I have a few of the Improved engine green liveried Terriers, so assuming the mahogany versions is correct, was there a typical formation, or were the sets made up of various coaches sandwiched between two brakes? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcD Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 I think coach sets were made up for the purpose they were needed for. I think minimum 1 brake and a comp but more likely a comp sandwiched between two brakes. but I will check my photos Marc 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted January 26, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 26, 2021 (edited) @47606odin, with any luck the Brighton Boys will be along shortly to give you chapter and verse. I had though that they were made up into ten or eleven coach sets for suburban services - which would be interesting news for your wallet, the pulling power of your Terrier, and the size of your railway room - but here's a photo of a three coach train, along with more info and details of a 6-coach train: https://basilicafields.wordpress.com/2010/12/19/lbscr-carriages/. Edited January 26, 2021 by Compound2632 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
47606odin Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 52 minutes ago, Compound2632 said: @47606odin, with any luck the Brighton Boys will be along shortly to give you chapter and verse. I had though that they were made up into ten or eleven coach sets for suburban services - which would be interesting news for your wallet, the pulling power of your Terrier, and the size of your railway room - but here's a photo of a three coach train, along with more info and details of a 6-coach train: https://basilicafields.wordpress.com/2010/12/19/lbscr-carriages/. that was a useful picture. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcD Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 hope these help Marc 5 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted January 26, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 26, 2021 1 hour ago, Compound2632 said: @47606odin, with any luck the Brighton Boys will be along shortly to give you chapter and verse. The first photo described is the one on the Basilica Fields webpage. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
burgundy Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 1 hour ago, Furness Wagon said: hope these help Marc Marc Sorry to be awkward, but Robertsbridge was a South Eastern Railway station with the Rother Valley/Kent and East Sussex on the bay platform to the left! The Stroudley 4 wheelers came in various types. Initially, the main line vehicles had long buffers and were matched with 6 wheel firsts. Suburban vehicles were close coupled and initially had a single centre buffer. Thirds had "half light" windows, rather than quarter lights. Buffers were later changed to short side buffers, which may, or may not, have had something to do with the fitting of Westinghouse brakes. Sets were created appropriate to the service. The first South London sets were 8 coach, which in 4mm scale with a Terrier comes out at a fraction over 3'. Other sets were longer. As previous photos illustrate, local services might be 3 coaches. There was some discussion in an earlier edition of LB&SCR Modellers' Digest. For chapter and verse, refer to LB&SCR Carriages Vol 1. I hope this helps. Best wishes Eric 2 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcD Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 Hi Eric I stand corrected. That most be a rare SECR terrier photo then. Which makes sense with Vac brake pipes not westinghouse pipes. Marc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted January 26, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 26, 2021 6 minutes ago, Furness Wagon said: Hi Eric I stand corrected. That most be a rare SECR terrier photo then. Which makes sense with Vac brake pipes not westinghouse pipes. One of the RVR / K&ESR pair, presumably. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold NeilHB Posted January 26, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 26, 2021 5 hours ago, Compound2632 said: One of the RVR / K&ESR pair, presumably. Yes, I would agree that is either 'Bodiam' or 'Robertsbridge'. The coaches with it in the bay platform appear to be the KESR Pickering coaches, though I'm not sure though if these are the early 4-wheel coaches after they'd been rebuilt as bogie coaches, or the later versions which were similar in design. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 The coach livery is interesting, LSWR/L&Y-ish. Were RVR/KESR coaches really painted like that, or is it just what the colourist had on their palette from last time? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 (edited) On 26/01/2021 at 17:04, NeilHB said: Yes, I would agree that is either 'Bodiam' or 'Robertsbridge'. The coaches with it in the bay platform appear to be the KESR Pickering coaches, though I'm not sure though if these are the early 4-wheel coaches after they'd been rebuilt as bogie coaches, or the later versions which were similar in design. On 26/01/2021 at 18:20, Nearholmer said: The coach livery is interesting, LSWR/L&Y-ish. Were RVR/KESR coaches really painted like that, or is it just what the colourist had on their palette from last time? The photo is quite an early one and given the lack of coal rails or steam pipes the loco is almost certainly No.5 Rolvenden, the coaches are either the re-builds of the earlier four wheel Hurst Nelson coaches, or the three coach set purchased new from Pickerings. And yes they really were painted cream and chocolate brown. Edited February 11, 2021 by Guest Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 (edited) Looking more carefully at the photograph taken at Robertsbridge, I think I can safely assure that the three coaches are the set delivered new from Pickerings in 1905. The Hurst Nelson conversions had only one or two top lights to the windows, wheras the new coaches had four or five. The two photos in my earlier post illustrate the difference quite well, the rake of three are the new coaches, whilst the single coach is one of the conversions.The step boards are also different, but that cannot be determined from the Robertsbridge photo. Edited February 11, 2021 by Guest Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David4472 Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 Anyone know what the latest is with the Dapol Stroudley coaches? David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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