AVS1998 2,860 Posted October 2, 2018 So I was having a snoop for railwayania on Pinterest (feel free to judge!) and I came across this. I know that the SECR did (possibly?) draft some 4-6-0s but this, to me, looks distinctly Robinson, very GCR- could it be a poster for through trains to the coast, holiday trains? - Alex 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steamport Southport 6,529 Posted October 2, 2018 (edited) NER I believe. https://www.lner.info/locos/B/b15.php https://www.lner.info/locos/B/b16.php Jason Edited October 2, 2018 by Steamport Southport Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AVS1998 2,860 Posted October 2, 2018 Brilliant, thank you Jason! I see the Raven family lineage now. Makes you wonder what it's doing in St Leonards though... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pete_mcfarlane 3,719 Posted October 2, 2018 Is it a poster, or a postcard? A poster would have more details on it (such as the name of the railway company) so I'd suggest this is a generic commercial postcard. It just happens to use a NER loco, and it wouldn't surprise me if there were similar ones for other resorts using the same image. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brack 1,471 Posted October 2, 2018 Is it a poster, or a postcard? A poster would have more details on it (such as the name of the railway company) so I'd suggest this is a generic commercial postcard. It just happens to use a NER loco, and it wouldn't surprise me if there were similar ones for other resorts using the same image. A bit like the surprising number of railway inns featuring GWR green 4-6-0s on their signs, despite the pub in question being at the other end of the country... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hroth 7,890 Posted October 2, 2018 A bit like the surprising number of railway inns featuring GWR green 4-6-0s on their signs, despite the pub in question being at the other end of the country... I once received a birthday card showing a Castle passing through Sydney Gardens in Bath. Not that unusual, one might think, but this Castle was liveried by the benighted "graphic artist" who cooked up the card IN RED. This was long before "Hogwarts Castle" was thought of btw. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy Hayter 2,223 Posted October 2, 2018 It is also showing a royal train headcode Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sem34090 5,370 Posted October 3, 2018 (edited) It's definitely NER. I agree with the above, it's probably a generic postcard which would have been simply tinted into an approximation of the local livery... Which makes me wonder... How about an Umber one?! Anyway, I think this is more than enough excuse for you to justify an NER Raven 4-6-0 on Blackstone, Alex! I believe this one is an S2 (B15 for you modern LNER people!), for which I have yet to find an available kit. I like the looks, and if I can get it to fit an RTR chassis... sigh. Another one on the list... Edit: If you want something even weirder for 'Blackstone' then how about this variation of the S2? An explanation as to the strange-looking cylinders is offered here: https://www.lner.info/locos/B/b15.php "The last B15, No. 825, was built with Stumpf Uniflow cylinders. The Uniflow arrangement was intended to avoid condensation in the cylinders, by having separate intake and exhaust ports on the cylinders. Steam flow was in one direction, hence "Uniflow". The main handicap with this system was than the exhaust ports were always of the same size, but the intake ports could vary in size according to the cut-off position. Comparative trials in 1913 were sufficient that after World War 1, the system was fitted to the last of the Class Z (LNER C7) Atlantics. Further experience showed that the improvement was not as great in normal running, and was negated by the special attention required of these two experimental locomotives. In March 1924, No. 825 was rebuilt with conventional cylinders to match the other members of the class." Edited October 3, 2018 by sem34090 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sem34090 5,370 Posted October 3, 2018 This inspired me to look up "Just arrived at... Postcards"... https://transportsofdelight.smugmug.com/RAILWAYS/LOCOMOTIVES-OF-SOUTHERN-RAILWAY-CONSTITUENT-COMPANIES/LOCOMOTIVES-OF-THE-LONDON-SOUTH-WESTERN-RAILWAY/i-t4GhrFC Spot the LSWR T14! It seems the practice of using irrelevant locos to the location was not unique to St Leonards. At least the T14 in the Edinburgh one does, at a glance, bear a passing resemblance to contemporary CR machines. As a random aside, can anyone identify the coaches in the above image? I guess that they're LSWR ones but something is telling me otherwise, and I'm not sure why! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sem34090 5,370 Posted October 3, 2018 (edited) I'm going to start irritating people with multiple posts now... sorry! I couldn't resist a basic attempt at one in Umber: I quite like that... Edited October 3, 2018 by sem34090 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sem34090 5,370 Posted October 3, 2018 Okay, so this probably belongs in the 'Imaginary Locos' thread, but... meh. It's an SECR 4-6-0. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spitfire2865 1,640 Posted October 3, 2018 Okay, so this probably belongs in the 'Imaginary Locos' thread, but... meh. It's an SECR 4-6-0. Oh dear.png Who wants to volunteer to bend that splasher from brass? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Regularity 5,089 Posted October 3, 2018 A late friend produced a batch of 4-4-0s in Gauge 1, where the cab sides and splasher fronts were milled from solid brass, to get the right effect. This wasn’t CNC milled, either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eastwestdivide 9,083 Posted October 3, 2018 Looks very much like a generic postcard, as the place name is in a different typeface. As if they print up a big batch (colour = expensive) and then overprint in black ( = cheaper) to "personalise" them for different places. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sem34090 5,370 Posted October 3, 2018 I think that is probably the truth, and perhaps the rough resemblance of the loco livery to SECR Wainwright is purely coincidental? It's not a very close resemblance to that livery, so is probably generic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nedrahn 90 Posted October 3, 2018 Okay, so this probably belongs in the 'Imaginary Locos' thread, but... meh. It's an SECR 4-6-0. Oh dear.png Very close to the actual Ashford proposal of 1907. This would have had a larger diameter boiler and a Belpaire firebox, though. Details in the RCTS Locos of the SECR and Railway Modeller July 1991, along with a proposed Atlantic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Edwardian 33,129 Posted October 3, 2018 Okay, so this probably belongs in the 'Imaginary Locos' thread, but... meh. It's an SECR 4-6-0. Oh dear.png Oh dear, I get seasick just looking at those splashers. Yes, would probably have a belpaire, like the E, but very good. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Metropolitan H 546 Posted October 3, 2018 Okay, so this probably belongs in the 'Imaginary Locos' thread, but... meh. It's an SECR 4-6-0. Oh dear.png How does the fireman feed the second firebox - the one ahead of the middle driving axle? Also, why is there such a long forward platform ahead of the smokebox? - I would have expected the cylinder centre-line and bogie centre-line to be approximately co-incident with the chimney centre-line. Have a look at a drawing of a GER 1500 class (LNER B12). Regards Chris H Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Regularity 5,089 Posted October 3, 2018 How does the fireman feed the second firebox - the one ahead of the middle driving axle? That’s just the moulded skirt, to hide the worm wheel from view. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AVS1998 2,860 Posted October 3, 2018 Okay, so this probably belongs in the 'Imaginary Locos' thread, but... meh. It's an SECR 4-6-0. Oh dear.png I feel like the drivers would need to be closer together and possible have an overall splasher a la GCR or LSW rather than individual ones, in order to look more cohesive. The bogie should be moved about a foot backwards to be central under the smokebox, and then this would allow a shorter front frame? It just looks excessively long and not in a glamorous way, like the LSWs or Caledonians managed. - Alex Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sem34090 5,370 Posted October 4, 2018 I agree wholeheartedly with all of the above, but I only had seven spare minutes to do it in! I may do a proper version later, if I have time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sem34090 5,370 Posted October 4, 2018 (edited) So, is this any more convincing? - Larger Boiler - Closer-spaced driving wheels - Running Plate Shortened - Single Splasher - Reduced-Height Chimney & Dome - Bogie moved further back - Belpaire Firebox Personally, I think it looks a lot better... and if at some point I can be bothered I may yet model it! Edited October 4, 2018 by sem34090 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Regularity 5,089 Posted October 4, 2018 You still have an extra firebox between the first and second drivers... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sem34090 5,370 Posted October 4, 2018 I know, but that one only filled 12 spare minutes! Some day I may actually do it properly... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Regularity 5,089 Posted October 4, 2018 Looks like a Wainwright finish applied to something LNWR. That is not a bad thing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
