RMweb Premium CF MRC Posted November 11, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 11, 2018 The hobby is alive and well. I was at the Young MRC on Saturday morning at Keen House. There was the upper hall full of youngsters (& their parents) making models, building a layout and running trains on the test track. The Channel 5 program can only encourage their interest. Tim 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmorgan_cym Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 Having finally watched the final. I couldn't help feeling the concept was about face. In that the heats should be bareboards and for the final the teams should be 'let off the leash' with the prebuild items etc. So you get the 'this is what we do under pressure, however give us time and this is what we can do' 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobby Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 That's not what this type of programme is about, though... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Coryton Posted November 11, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 11, 2018 Having finally watched the final. I couldn't help feeling the concept was about face. In that the heats should be bareboards and for the final the teams should be 'let off the leash' with the prebuild items etc. So you get the 'this is what we do under pressure, however give us time and this is what we can do' I don't think there was enough time between the heats and the final for that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohmisterporter Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 To take one member out of each team for a "challenge" and then call the teams together to tell them they are behind the clock and better get a move on is perverse. To not use the challenge pieces in the final show demonstrates how pointless it was. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castle Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 Hi All, There was a question about the challenge - here is my entry for the Fawley Fliers: Picture professionally purloined from Kathy’s website - I hope that’s ok Kathy! I didn’t have one myself. The wagon had an operating N gauge loco in it. The wagon was labelled with FMS for the Fawley Museum Society and was (naturally) weathered! The idea was to combine the GWS loco (14XX Class) with the notion that the FMS runs trains in unexpected places. We were going to do a forced perspective thing with the N Gauge 14XX and an autocoach but when the challenge came up, the resources for it went into this. All the best, Castle 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacific231G Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 I do think that in the second series, the scratchbuilt challenge- at least in its present form- would be worth dropping, It doesn't really add anything and has nothing to do with actual scratchbuilding. I suspect it was added because the producers were afraid that the real competition task might not make good enough television. That clearly wasn't the case and it's really just an exercise in disguising stuff that has nothing to do with the teams' chosen projects that ends up taking screen time away from seeing their actual modelling. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium phil-b259 Posted November 11, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 11, 2018 To take one member out of each team for a "challenge" and then call the teams together to tell them they are behind the clock and better get a move on is perverse. To not use the challenge pieces in the final show demonstrates how pointless it was. You need to remember that there was a very good chance the TV ratings for the show would be mediocre at best. As others have already pointed out, the whole reason the show got the go ahead in the first place is the bosses at Channel 5 thought it would appeal to non railway modellers - and the scratch-build challenge segments make perfect sense in that context. Fortunately the show was a ratings success and the 'scratch-build' challenge element could be dropped / minimised in the final edits. Hopefully the second series will be better for all the lessons learned from the first one - making the final an 'extended episode' would be a good idea for example. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pint of Adnams Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 Are there viewing figures available for each heat and the final, both live (including +1) and 'catch-up'? Did they increase or decrease as word got around? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castle Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 Hi All, I’m at Fawley today and we have just noticed an - er - infestation... If anyone would like to claim said beasts then applications should be forwarded to: The RSPCD (Royal Society for the Promotion of Children’s Dinosaurs) Fawley Hill C/O Me This has been a public service announcement to reduce the threat of dinosaur infestation in workshops everywhere. I’ll get my coat... All the best, Castle 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Coryton Posted November 11, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 11, 2018 I do think that in the second series, the scratchbuilt challenge- at least in its present form- would be worth dropping, It doesn't really add anything and has nothing to do with actual scratchbuilding. I suspect it was added because the producers were afraid that the real competition task might not make good enough television. That clearly wasn't the case and it's really just an exercise in disguising stuff that has nothing to do with the teams' chosen projects that ends up taking screen time away from seeing their actual modelling. I'll give a dissenting view. It got across - as nothing else did - the way that everyday (and cheap) objects can be used in modelling - you don't have to just buy specialised (and expensive) scenic materials. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zomboid Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 I just saw the final on catch up, and I have to say well done to Aberdeen. It was the one I hoped would win, though all 5 were really impressive. I think Aberdeen deserved to win because of the scale of their ambition and the fact that they really pulled it off. I've very much enjoyed watching this series and I'm looking forward to the next one. Shame they only had an hour to fit the show into, I suspect that with 5 teams then 90 or even 120 mins would have made for a better program, but maybe that would have been too much for Mr & Mrs Normal... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocoLaurie Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 Hi All, I’m at Fawley today and we have just noticed an - er - infestation... 07CE6944-172B-42F7-959C-F836CBF51B4F.jpeg If anyone would like to claim said beasts then applications should be forwarded to: The RSPCD (Royal Society for the Promotion of Children’s Dinosaurs) Fawley Hill C/O Me This has been a public service announcement to reduce the threat of dinosaur infestation in workshops everywhere. I’ll get my coat... All the best, Castle Great very funny, you know if memory serves me correctly, I think my Team Steampunk left some behind in our box of goodies (inc paints, and scenics) for other teams to use. I'm not sure we left that many. As they say in the movies 'Life finds a way' lol. Steampunk Laurie. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold JohnR Posted November 11, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 11, 2018 Are there viewing figures available for each heat and the final, both live (including +1) and 'catch-up'? Did they increase or decrease as word got around? Heat 1: 1,309,244 Heat 2: 1,094,578 Heat 3: 1,185,123 Heat 4: 1,101,837 No figures available yet for Heat 5 or the Final. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
37114 Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 You need to remember that there was a very good chance the TV ratings for the show would be mediocre at best. As others have already pointed out, the whole reason the show got the go ahead in the first place is the bosses at Channel 5 thought it would appeal to non railway modellers - and the scratch-build challenge segments make perfect sense in that context. Indeed my kids enjoyed the final but both expressed dismay at the lack of a scratchbuild challenge as it was one of their favourite bits (both kids have limited interest in model railways) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butler Henderson Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 Heat 1: 1,309,244 Heat 2: 1,094,578 Heat 3: 1,185,123 Heat 4: 1,101,837 No figures available yet for Heat 5 or the Final. Out of interest has anyone here ever been asked to record what they watch - whilst catch up viewers can be recorded those watching live are merely estimated from a pool of viewers who record their watching and what about those who PVR and watch later. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
enginelane Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 Out of interest has anyone here ever been asked to record what they watch - whilst catch up viewers can be recorded those watching live are merely estimated from a pool of viewers who record their watching and what about those who PVR and watch later. Yes would be I interested on how catch up works Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold JohnR Posted November 11, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 11, 2018 Barb records what all members of their panel watch - so if they do it on PVR or a +1, its captured. The broadcase figures are to within 5,000 - its the "iplayer" and online figures that make it look so exact. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Coryton Posted November 11, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 11, 2018 Out of interest has anyone here ever been asked to record what they watch - whilst catch up viewers can be recorded those watching live are merely estimated from a pool of viewers who record their watching and what about those who PVR and watch later. Captured by the same viewer pool? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium The White Rabbit Posted November 11, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 11, 2018 Out of interest has anyone here ever been asked to record what they watch - whilst catch up viewers can be recorded those watching live are merely estimated from a pool of viewers who record their watching and what about those who PVR and watch later. Some years ago I was a member of a panel who was asked weekly about their experience of last week's TV. This was done by paper surveys and post rather than having a 'bug' attached to the TV which recorded what channel it was set to at particular times. It was before the era of catch-up/i-Player/etc. Some questions/sections were: did you watch x and what did you think of it in general/the acting/casting/location/accuracy/choice of xyz? Some dealt with more general themes and trends - what do you think of gameshows/soaps/documentaries and why? I recall I didn't always get chance to say what I had watched and also there wasn't always a chance to say if you thought something had been really good/bad, you were usually limited to the survey questions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Phil Parker Posted November 11, 2018 Administrators Share Posted November 11, 2018 I do think that in the second series, the scratchbuilt challenge- at least in its present form- would be worth dropping, It doesn't really add anything and has nothing to do with actual scratchbuilding. I suspect it was added because the producers were afraid that the real competition task might not make good enough television. That clearly wasn't the case and it's really just an exercise in disguising stuff that has nothing to do with the teams' chosen projects that ends up taking screen time away from seeing their actual modelling. When I first saw the idea I was sceptical, but the reality is that the imagination shown was impressive. It only has "nothing to do with actual scratchbuilding" if your definition of the materials to be used in scratch building is very limited and consists solely of plastic sheet, wood, metal and other products marketed for the job. On that basis, you would use Plastruct tube but not a piece of plastic tube from some packaging that happens to be the same size. You better not watch the BRM DVD in a few months either as I glaze a model with scrap clear plastic from packing. On the show, sawn up shoe dust for coal is "wrong" because you are only allowed to use something from a packet marked "model coal" even if the results look the same. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 When I first saw the idea I was sceptical, but the reality is that the imagination shown was impressive. It only has "nothing to do with actual scratchbuilding" if your definition of the materials to be used in scratch building is very limited and consists solely of plastic sheet, wood, metal and other products marketed for the job. On that basis, you would use Plastruct tube but not a piece of plastic tube from some packaging that happens to be the same size. You better not watch the BRM DVD in a few months either as I glaze a model with scrap clear plastic from packing. On the show, sawn up shoe dust for coal is "wrong" because you are only allowed to use something from a packet marked "model coal" even if the results look the same. Agreed, and I think the scratch building done by Castle of this parish in the fire and ice challenge was very impressive, showing what you can do with even the most basic of materials. And by the way, cardboard from boxes that clothes come in make great bases for wagon loads. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacific231G Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 When I first saw the idea I was sceptical, but the reality is that the imagination shown was impressive. It only has "nothing to do with actual scratchbuilding" if your definition of the materials to be used in scratch building is very limited and consists solely of plastic sheet, wood, metal and other products marketed for the job. On that basis, you would use Plastruct tube but not a piece of plastic tube from some packaging that happens to be the same size. You better not watch the BRM DVD in a few months either as I glaze a model with scrap clear plastic from packing. On the show, sawn up shoe dust for coal is "wrong" because you are only allowed to use something from a packet marked "model coal" even if the results look the same. Nothing wrong with using non-modelling and recycled materials to build things from, I do it all the time (business cards from people you have no intention of doing business with and name cards from seminars are good sources of high quality card while the cardboard they make wine boxes from is particularly sturdy) but it did seem a bit odd the other way round. If people enjoyed it fine, but building a complete layout in three days seemed quite enough of a challenge without thinking of ways of making it even harder. Did the teams know about it before the heats or was it sprung on them? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 Heat 1: 1,309,244 Heat 2: 1,094,578 Heat 3: 1,185,123 Heat 4: 1,101,837 No figures available yet for Heat 5 or the Final. Wow, that is good. The figures stayed above the million mark after the first show, which is usually a sign of an entertaining format. Shows like Taskmaster (UKTV) consider they have done really well to get 750,000. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernard Lamb Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 I only saw the final and thought it was well presented and turned a niche subject into a mainstream progrmme. With over 1m viewers per episode there is a potential for a big increase in the membership on here. Just wondering if Andy is on a bonus based on increasing the numbers. Bernard 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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