RMweb Gold Argos Posted October 8, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 8, 2018 I posted this question on the Caledonian Railway Association forum a couple of weeks ago and have had no response. Let's see if RMWebers can provide some detail! In the not too distant future I am intending to build a 2mm Finescale model of Killin Junction (http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/137795-modelling-the-co-killin-junction/&do=findComment&comment=3310385) set in the period immediately before the first world war. All the main structures have been well documented in a series of drawings in the True Line Journal, most of which were also published in Modellers Backtrack. The one structure that remains elusive is the West Signal box. This was removed in alterations carried out in 1935 under the LMS so was not very long lived, and, being at the less photogenic end of the station does not appear in any photographs I have seen. I have most of the published books and magazine articles of the line so have trawled through quite a few pictures! The 1900 25" OS map shows the structure and the size could be scaled, however, these map are not 100% accurate. The track plan for the junction is missing a cross over in the Killin bay and further down the Killin line a signal box is shown at Loch Tay where it seems to be accept fact one did not exist (only an open ground frame). I have seen it speculated that the Killin Junction West Box was similarly only a ground frame, but there seems to be convincing evidence the box existed. Is anyone aware of the details of the box? http://www.oban-line.info records the signal diagram and the fact that there were twenty levers. I am also supposing it wouldn't be like the other boxes on the C&O as these were originally built as open ground frames but quickly enclosed, hence the quirky nature of some of the structures. Killin Junction was not built concurrently with the line but opened at a later date to accommodate the Killin Railway. By that stage I am presuming a purpose built box would have been constructed, especially as someone else was paying. All information and speculation gratefully received! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted October 8, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 8, 2018 I would assume a standard CR structure like Ballachulish in the absence of any further information. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Argos Posted October 9, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 9, 2018 Thanks both, I had seen the photo posted on the Railscot site but it doesn't really help any. I did visit the site a couple of years ago when on holiday, we were staying by Loch Earn so I cycled up and over Glen Ogle and down to Killin. It was absolutely persisting down when I got the Killin Junction site so I didn't hang around long, a return visit is long overdue. The footprint of the West Box on the 1900 25" OS map is similar to the of the East, which shouldn't be a surprise really as they housed a similar number of levers so I would suppose they would be similar in size. I would guess the Wast box was not as tall through. Given that it must have still be a sizable structure I do find it odd that it hasn't appeared in any photos. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon A Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 Are there any local history groups in the area? Gordon A Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Blandford1969 Posted October 9, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 9, 2018 Have you tried the pre-grouping Scottish group on Facebook? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corrour Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 Thanks for sharing that excellent photo Argos. kind regards, Robert Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted October 10, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 10, 2018 Given that it must have still be a sizable structure I do find it odd that it hasn't appeared in any photos. Off topic. I've got photos of signal boxes that closed around 1900 - but trying to get decent photos of other boxes which lasted into the 1960s / 70s is nigh on impossible - it depends if anyone was interested enough to photograph it, or at least have it in the photo - and then finding that photo. All down to luck. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Argos Posted October 11, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 11, 2018 Thanks for sharing that excellent photo Argos. kind regards, Robert Corrour, Thanks I should add it is not mine. I'm not sure where I found it but if it was attributed to someone I normally make a note. There are many more of the C& O line here if you are interested:- https://www.flickr.com/photos/irishswissernie/sets/72157688374962505/with/36765633072/ A real tresure trove of late 50s early 60s colour photos. Whilst wading through the collection I did spot this:- https://www.flickr.com/photos/irishswissernie/36765633072/in/album-72157688374962505/ The PWay hut on the left of the picture by the signal is in the same approximate location as the West box as indicated on the 25" OS map. This begs a couple of questions. Is the chimney stack in the photo on the Railscot site highlighted by 27016 above the remains of this structure? Was the Pway hut built on the foundations of the signal box utilising the chimney stack from the demolished box? It looks a rather large hut although the chimney looks too short for a signal box. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corrour Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 Hi Argos, Some great photos on that site thanks....sadly un-downloadable...bah. I have a feeling I have an architectural drawing of the East box which might be of interest so I'll have a look for it. kind regards, Robert Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caley Jim Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 Hi Argos, Some great photos on that site thanks....sadly un-downloadable...bah. Robert You can always take a screen shot and save that. Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted October 12, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 12, 2018 You can always take a screen shot and save that. Jim And on Firefox, right click and "Save Page As" - this saves the page and the image Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel N Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 Unfortunately not the elusive West box, but still, a rare view inside the former East box at Killin Jct. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium airnimal Posted October 13, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 13, 2018 Sorry to gate crash this tread but I made a model of Killin station about 30 years. It was made in O gauge for a gentleman in Manchester for his Caledonian railway. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNSRAMemsec Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 I'm late coming in to this topic but have done some digging to see if I can help here. I cannot source any photos just now but can give you the following information that might be helpful : My source is the Signalbox Register Vol 6 Scotland published by the Signalling Record Society Killin West was a 22 lever 'box and brick built. It's style is described as N1 - Killin West was also described as N1. Further examples of N1s are Callander East & West and Throsk. In the absence of further information I would personally use Throsk as the style you need for your project... Best wishes, Graham. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Argos Posted December 26, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted December 26, 2018 Thanks Graham, Most useful. I had come to the conclusion it would be a standard Caley box of the period. Your information above confirms this. Regards Angus 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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