Zen Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 Having bought several E2 body shells I am looking to buy the right Westinghouse pump however I cannot make my mind up which unit it is, so I postponed the purchase until I could seek sage advice from people that probably know better than I. Which is the correct unit for the job please and what make that unit stand apart from the rest please? Me I think it's Walp3 but have been told it is Walp1 which I think is too small. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWCR Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 Check the height over the cylinders, you can scale this off the photo comparing it to the driving wheel size. Scale at (presumably) 4mm to the foot for model height. Select 1 or 3 accordingly. Pete 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanghai Diver Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 (edited) Check the height over the cylinders, you can scale this off the photo comparing it to the driving wheel size. Scale at (presumably) 4mm to the foot for model height. Select 1 or 3 accordingly. Pete Was going to be my suggestion. Then got to the "depends on which version and when you are modelling which may change things. The BR image has the extended water tanks. The original LBSCR versions didn't, or not all of them. Did pumps change over time? Otherwise I am with '3'. Edited October 24, 2018 by Shanghai Diver 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 I know they are Markits. But if you look at Alan Gibson, part number 4M602 Westinghouse Pump is apparently the correct sized item. http://www.alangibsonworkshop.com/ Also Roxey Moudlings has a version. http://www.roxeymouldings.co.uk/product/1020/4ma046-lbscr/sr-westinghouse-pump-1-/ Jason 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted October 24, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 24, 2018 Was going to be my suggestion. Then got to the "depends on which version and when you are modelling which may change things. The BR image has the extended water tanks. The original LBSCR versions didn't, or not all of them. Did pumps change over time? Otherwise I am with '3'. There were ten of these. Nos 100-104 were built with short tanks, which proved limiting in service, so the subsequent five, 105-109, had an extra 166 gallons capacity in extended side-tanks. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jack Benson Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 HI, Interesting to note a neglected prototype receiving some much needed attention. Has anyone tackled this model in the past? JB Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCB Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 I wonder if the Westinghouse pumps were actually maintained after about 1930. There couldn't have been a lot of air brake stock around Southampton docks. The pipework looks like pragmatism ruled over craftsmanship... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 13 hours ago, Jack Benson said: Has anyone tackled this model in the past? For 4mm/OO there was a Wills whitemetal body kit and a Triang Hornby RTR model, from the one piece body moulding with one size fits all mechanism era, which was subsequently upgraded to 'Thomas'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Cane Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 A note on the Markits Westinghouse pumps. While WALP1 may look small, WALP5 is 20% larger than the pumps fitted on the WD 2-8-0 Austerity locomotives. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jack Benson Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 2 hours ago, 34theletterbetweenB&D said: For 4mm/OO there was a Wills whitemetal body kit and a Triang Hornby RTR model, from the one piece body moulding with one size fits all mechanism era, which was subsequently upgraded to 'Thomas'. Hi, This is not mine but it has been offered 'on loan' for Chandlers Row Thanks JB Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 5 hours ago, 34theletterbetweenB&D said: For 4mm/OO there was a Wills whitemetal body kit and a Triang Hornby RTR model, from the one piece body moulding with one size fits all mechanism era, which was subsequently upgraded to 'Thomas'. Pure Hornby. It came out in 1979 with the new chassis used on the Jinty before it was downgraded into Thomas. Still got mine. Best option is the Wills kit (now South Eastern Finecast) and the etched chassis. Unfortunately you only get the earlier version without extended tanks and the kit is a bit dated. I think PDK planned on making one but all references have disappeared from the website. Crownline used to do a conversion/detailing kit for the Hornby model and I think they were going to use parts from that in the kit. It really does need a 21st century model whether kit or RTR. Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Holliday Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 I have an old Wills E2 body which doesn't seem much of an improvement on the Hornby model, as both were compromised by fitting them on the Jinty chassis. I don't know whether the newer kits have been updated, apart from th etched chassis. It might be worth investigating Sparkshot Custom Services' 3D printed bodies and other bits, as there is the extended tank version, and the body seems to be much closer to scale. It has been featured heavily on RMweb. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareth Collier Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 (edited) Details of the offering from Sparkshot of these boards: https://www.scalefour.org/forum/download/file.php?id=19320 or https://www.shapeways.com/shops/sparkshotcustomcreationsscc?section=4mm+LB%26SCR+Loco'+Bodies&s=0&url=login%2Fjson-shapeways&url=forward Edited November 26, 2019 by Gareth Collier . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigherb Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 On 25/11/2019 at 21:07, Jack Benson said: HI, Interesting to note a neglected prototype receiving some much needed attention. Has anyone tackled this model in the past? JB Two RTR models have been available as already said the Hornby model dimensional errors excepted wasn't that bad for Hornby at the time. And the odd scale Trix model. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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