POLL: Which industrial diesel 0-6-0/6w should be made in RTR? [Industrial Loco Poll #2]

[Corbs]

INDUSTRIAL LOCO WISHLIST POLL #2

Please read this before voting

-The aim of these polls is to get some specific loco types to submit to the main wishlist poll team for inclusion in the next poll

-I already know that there is a general demand for industrial 6 wheeled diesel locos, so please limit your vote to 1-5 choices rather than selecting everything, so that we can eliminate the locos with less demand

-You can submit new locos to be added to this poll! Please post the loco and why you think it would be a good choice for an RTR manufacturer, and any pics you can find of said loco (more info at the foot of this post)

THANK YOU FOR VOTING!

 
This category is 0-6-0 and 6w Diesel Locos.
 
The Contenders

Bagnall DL2
 
The Bagnall DL2 was in effect a Bagnall "Drewry" with most having the same wheelbase as the class 03/04.
Just a couple were fitted with a larger engine and thus were a foot longer in coupled wheelbase, and an extra bodyside door longer. Apart from a batch for New Zealand Railways (narrow gauge) the 20 odd were mostly in NCB use, mostly in North and South Staffordshire. Preserved examples on the Foxfield Railway, The Chasewater Railway (wtg repairs) and in North Lincolnshire.
Examples:
'Wolstanton No.3' (WB 3150/1959) - Foxfield Railway

Source: http://www.flickriver.com/photos/65480188@N07/8523455097/

https://padders.smugmug.com/UKRailways-Preserved/Foxfield-Railway-150417
 
Hudswell Clarke MSC 0-6-0DE
 
Examples:
4002 Arundel Castle preserved on the ELR
4001 Alnwick Castle dumped in Manchester
 


Source:
https://twitter.com/rorylushman/status/833773002101764096
 
Hudswell Clarke 0-6-0DM
 
Examples:
Merlin at the KWVR - ex-Avonmouth - not early or late type but sort of mid-history with the 3 simple doors

https://bristolharbourrailway.co.uk/industrial-railways-of-bristol/avonmouth-docks/
 
Western Pride - later type with louvred doors and side plates

No.32 - same

Source: https://bristolharbourrailway.co.uk/industrial-railways-of-bristol/avonmouth-docks/
 

Sentinel 0-6-0DM
 
As used at Avonmouth
2 preserved at ESR
 


 

GEC 6wDE
 
50 and 75 ton versions
 
Ludwig Mond preserved at Rocks by Rail

https://jandjcottrell.zenfolio.com/blog/2015/11/rocks-by-rail
 

https://www.andrewbriddonlocos.co.uk/locos/gecil/177-ludwig-mond.html
 
75 ton version

Source: https://www.flickr.com/photos/32859789@N02/11310666313/
 
English Electric "Stephenson" Type 0-6-0DH
 

 
Kerr Stuart 6wDM
 
One used to be owned by the R&ER
 

 
John Fowler 424 class 0-6-0DH
 


Source: http://www.hondawanderer.com/4240016_Toddington_1992.htm
 
Ruston 165DE/DS/DH
 
Lots of little detail variations. BR had a few.
 
165DE version

 
165DH version

Source: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/117288-a-rivet-counters-guide-to-the-ruston-165hp-locomotives/
 
 
BR PWM650 series (similar)
 
https://topstastic.blogspot.com/2018/01/
 

https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brpwmshunter
 
Hudswell Clarke 0-6-0DM (low bonnet) - MSC type
 
The first DM loco bought by MSC, they bought several.
 
There was an externally very similar version built for BR
 
Examples:
Ashdown at Peak Rail (was refurbished by Hunslet)
BR version (eg D2511 (Hudswell D1202/61) on the K&WVR)
 

 

Source:
https://www.andrewbriddonlocos.co.uk/locos/hudswell-clarke/30-hudswell-0-6-0dm.html

Source:
http://www.canalarchive.org.uk/Tpages/html/T2424.html

http://www.leedsengine.info/leeds/photo.asp?photo=images/Hudswell%20Clarke/Standard%20Gauge%20Loco/Diesel/hcd1202%20br%20d2511%20ingrow.jpg&phby=Kris%20Ward&loco=D2511%20%20(Hudswell%20Clarke%20D1202/1961)
 
 
 
 
If there is a loco which you think fits the bill and is not on the list, please do let me know! If I have made any glaring errors please point them out and I will do my best to correct them.
 
If you want to vote or suggest a new one, try to think about:
-Does it fill a gap?*
-Can the tooling be used over and over again to recoup set-up investment?
-Can it be adapted to suit multiple prototypes with little detail differences?
 
Also, please bear in mind I am not asking 'name every industrial 0-6-0 you can think of', it's 'what industrial 0-6-0 is a good idea for a manufacturer to make?'
 
*In other words, is it distinct enough from things already on the market? An example of this would be that I don't think any manufacturer considering a new tooling would make a Hunslet 50550 because they are so similar to the Austerity which is already made by 2 manufacturers. Edited November 3, 2018 by Corbs

[PhilJ W]

My personal preference would be the Sentinel.

[Dungrange]

My personal preference would be the Sentinel.

 

Would that not be too similar to the Hornby model?  I'm not familiar with any of the prototypes, but looking at the pictures, my first thought was "Have Hornby not produced that one?"

[Sandhole]

My votes,

 MSC Hudswell Clarke.

Fowler 0-6-0.

                             C.

[Neil]

I've plumped for the Kerr Stuart; it's long been a favourite of mine. I'm a little surprised at the popularity of the Sentinel as (has been mentioned above) Hornby have both 4W versions in production. Is it because it's a genuine need for ones layout, is it a desire to complete the set having the 4W examples already or is it one of those lack of imagination/familiarity with the type that motivates this response? All are good and valid reasons and to be honest, in many ways, the Sentinel is a better commercial proposition than my favourite; I'm purely intrigued by the reasons behind the choice.

[Corbs]

Similarly I was surprised with the popularity of the AB 0-6-0ST in the steam loco poll, but I guess the 0-4-0 versions were popular for a reason and the 0-6-0s are the same?

[PhilJ W]

Would that not be too similar to the Hornby model?  I'm not familiar with any of the prototypes, but looking at the pictures, my first thought was "Have Hornby not produced that one?"

The Hornby one is of the four wheel version which is smaller.

[Sandhole]

I don't want to start to muddy the waters, but could I suggest this Hudswell as well please?

I know it is another MSC engine ,but they must have sold them elsewhere and it is an odd shape!!

[Covkid]

Thanks "corbs" for your sterling work.

 

For info the Bagnall DL2 was in effect a Bagnall "Drewry" with most having the same wheelbase as the class 03/04.

Just a couple were fitted with a larger engine and thus were a foot longer in coupled wheelbase, and an extra bodyside door longer. Apart from a batch for New Zealand Railways (narrow gauge) the 20 odd were mostly in NCB use, mostly in North and South Staffordshire. Preserved examples on the Foxfield Railway, The Chasewater Railway (wtg repairs) and in North Lincolnshire.  

I have collected some 03 / Drewry parts and contemplating a High Level chassis.

 

The "Stephenson" 0-6-0 is another loco of which a small number worked in Staffordshire, so has also been voted for.

[Corbs]

Thanks Covkid, I have added the info to the loco section.

 

MSC 0-6-0DM has been added to the poll.

[Sandhole]

Thanks Covkid, I have added the info to the loco section.

 

MSC 0-6-0DM has been added to the poll.

Thank you Corbs. I appreciate that!

                                            Chris.

[Sandhole]

The thing I find fascinating, is the number of Hudswell Clarke diesels in this poll! I have to admit I'd expected loads of Rustons.

The number of my own personal favourites in the poll is surprising to me. Primarily because I thought I had some pretty eldrich favourites!!!!!!

Shows the people on this forum are possessed of taste!!!!!

                                                                                     C.

[Barry O]

Amazed by the lack of a Hunslet..they did build a lot of diesels over the years. Perhaps an 67T Variant?

Edited November 4, 2018 by Barry O

[Corbs]

Amazed by the lack of a Hunslet..they did build a lot of diesels over the years. Perhaps an 67T Variant?

Hello Barry, of course a Hunslet can be included, I've only put in locos that have been suggested. Would it be possible to link to a couple of photos of the real-life loco you refer to?

[RedGemAlchemist]

Got to be the Sentinel and the EE Stephenson for me. Not a gigantic diesel fan really but some of the shunters do have a lot of charm. That being said I'm generally more of a four-wheel man. The smaller and "cuter" the better.

Edited November 6, 2018 by RedGemAlchemist