RMweb Premium ColinK Posted November 20, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 20, 2018 People were asking about formations. Here's a small relaying job at Strood from 1984. My notes say loco 73113, tamper DX 73249, crane DRP 81607 (but I suspect that's a typo/misreading of 81507, as that seems to have been an SR-based one that I also noted around there that year). A small but interesting selection of wagons, Seacows, Sturgeon and Salmon I think. 84-3-3 relaying track Strood.jpg ‘Sturgeon and Salmon’, I thought RMweb was ment to be free of politics. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastwestdivide Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 ‘Sturgeon and Salmon’, I thought RMweb was ment to be free of politics. Yes, don't know what they're doing in SE England! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastwestdivide Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 Meanwhile, going back to the allocations in my earlier post, I just noticed all the Plasser ones are allocated "south of Yorkshire". Looking back in the Track Machines book, the Cowans Sheldon ones ordered at the same time as the Plasser ones were all allocated to places in Yorkshire and further north, apart from one at Ipswich. I wonder if that was for maintenance reasons, with Cowans Sheldon being in Carlisle and Plasser und Theurer having a base in Ealing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastwestdivide Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 (edited) Leigh, Chris (1982) A modern Engineers' train. Model Railway Constructor Annual 1983 pp 92 - 112, edited by Leigh, Chris. DRP81509 with DB975411 (https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/departmental975400/e1aa1ca99) and DB732251 (https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/plassercrane/e5407d374) Paul They seem to have been a regular team. Here they are at Reading in 1986, sandwiched between a 47 and a brake van. 47116, DB975411, ZDV DB732251, YOB DRP81509, CAP B951128: Nice short modellable train. Edited November 21, 2018 by eastwestdivide 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dibber25 Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 GPC crane 81509 with the 'tube' and converted 'Pasfruit D' at Yeoveney heading south with Staines branch track lifting train in 1981. This area now under M25. (CJL) 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dibber25 Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 GPC crane 81509 with the 'tube' and converted 'Pasfruit D' at Yeoveney heading south with Staines branch track lifting train in 1981. This area now under M25. (CJL) A couple more. I have a model of this train including the Plasser GPC (scratch-built). Mine is powered, using a Tenshodo SPUD and has a posable, extending jib. (CJL) 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peak experience Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 On 21/11/2018 at 11:28, eastwestdivide said: Meanwhile, going back to the allocations in my earlier post, I just noticed all the Plasser ones are allocated "south of Yorkshire". Looking back in the Track Machines book, the Cowans Sheldon ones ordered at the same time as the Plasser ones were all allocated to places in Yorkshire and further north, apart from one at Ipswich. I wonder if that was for maintenance reasons, with Cowans Sheldon being in Carlisle and Plasser und Theurer having a base in Ealing. Yes, that's interesting and it has maybe informed my decision not to buy one now. I model Manchester region, late 70s/early 80s and ScR region, same period and I'm guessing these cranes wouldn't have been seen in those parts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Daddyman Posted February 7, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 7, 2019 On 05/02/2019 at 14:52, peak experience said: Yes, that's interesting and it has maybe informed my decision not to buy one now. I model Manchester region, late 70s/early 80s and ScR region, same period and I'm guessing these cranes wouldn't have been seen in those parts. Can anyone confirm this? - that these are southern only? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastwestdivide Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 1 hour ago, Daddyman said: Can anyone confirm this? - that these are southern only? Well certainly in their earlier years they were all allocated Midlands and southwards, according to the listing I posted earlier in this thread. Couldn't say about later in their careers, as they may have been reallocated. Anyone have any more obscure stock books from later years? Would departmentals.com or a similar site be able to come up with sightings/allocations? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Hattons Dave Posted February 7, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 7, 2019 2 hours ago, Daddyman said: Can anyone confirm this? - that these are southern only? Hi Daddyman, The original intention was that they would be for use in Southern regions but they ended up going all around the country as needed. Whilst cranes may have been allocated to certain depots they would often be sent far out of the area for jobs. The very useful ontrackplant website has photos of cranes in a variety of locations 81504 at Allerton http://www.ontrackplant.com/photo/81504 81512 + 81527 at Skipton http://www.ontrackplant.com/photo/81512_81527 81515 in Newcastle http://www.ontrackplant.com/photo/81515 81523 at Bromsgrove http://www.ontrackplant.com/photo/81523-5 I hope this helps. Cheers, Dave 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob D2 Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 Would make for an interesting train - the tube wagon from bachy as well as the CAR, the fruit D from Dapol ( which usefully seems to come as an unpainted option ) . did they lose the BR arrows in 1990 then ? Seems from the timescales they may have. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 Allocations at 1994 per On-track Plant on British Railways, SCT publishing: 81503Rugby 81504Rugby 81505Temple Mills 81506Peterborough 81507Hither Green 81508Three Bridges 81509Reading 81510Reading 81511Woking 81512Healy Mills 81513Eastleigh 81514Cardiff 81515Low Fell 81516Reading 81517Three Bridges 81518Crewe 81519Hither Green 81520Exmouth Jn 81521Doncaster 81522Temple Mills 81523Bristol Marsh Jn 81524Rugby 81525Temple Mills 81526Kings Norton 81527Healy Mills 81528Peterborough 81529Nottingham 81530Crewe 81531Kings Norton 81532Ashford 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
james-htfc Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 I really like the look of the white Balfour Beatty cranes, but from what I can gather they are mostly used in the South of England. I was searching high and low for an example of one in use in the North and eventually realised that the image Hattons are using is actually at Healey Mills (Wakefield) which is where my layout will be based – happy days! I don't think I've found any other examples so must have been a rare trip to these parts, but that justifies it for me! Will pre-order closer to the time 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 On 20/05/2019 at 11:33, james-htfc said: I really like the look of the white Balfour Beatty cranes, but from what I can gather they are mostly used in the South of England. I was searching high and low for an example of one in use in the North and eventually realised that the image Hattons are using is actually at Healey Mills (Wakefield) which is where my layout will be based – happy days! I don't think I've found any other examples so must have been a rare trip to these parts, but that justifies it for me! Will pre-order closer to the time https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/plassercrane/e30c8c013 Masses of observations of all of the cranes on http://www.ontrackplant.com/ Widely used although seeing it in Leeds and HM appears for only a short while. Appears to have been stuck in Ashford OTPD for many years - still extant. These are, of course, elderly, 40 years is a good age for any rolling stock. Paul 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 96701 Posted September 11, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 11, 2019 I used to work on these cranes (and the Twin Jib Cranes) when they first arrived. Plassers had a somewhat different business model to Cowans. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Hattons Dave Posted November 12, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted November 12, 2019 Hi guys, We have now produced fresh artwork for the GPC project. We have been working to ensure that the model will be as accurate as possible - which means that we have changed the release date to allow more time for development. We are now expecting the models to arrive during Q1 2021. CAD images are expected within the next month. We will provide further updates as soon as they are available. Below is a selection of some of the new livery images - head over to our site to see them all. H4-GPC-001 - DRP81504 in Plasser/ BR yellow as built (1979 - 1990) H4-GPC-006 - DRP61514 in Jarvis/ FastLine maroon (2004 - 2014) H4-GPC-008 - DRP81526 in GTRM yellow (2004 - 2008) H4-GPC-010 - DRP81532 in Balfour Beatty white and blue (1999 - Present) See more images and pre-order yours, here Cheers, Dave 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 96701 Posted November 12, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Hattons Dave said: Hi guys, We have now produced fresh artwork for the GPC project. We have been working to ensure that the model will be as accurate as possible - which means that we have changed the release date to allow more time for development. We are now expecting the models to arrive during Q1 2021. CAD images are expected within the next month. We will provide further updates as soon as they are available. Below is a selection of some of the new livery images - head over to our site to see them all. H4-GPC-001 - DRP81504 in Plasser/ BR yellow as built (1979 - 1990) H4-GPC-006 - DRP61514 in Jarvis/ FastLine maroon (2004 - 2014) H4-GPC-008 - DRP81526 in GTRM yellow (2004 - 2008) H4-GPC-010 - DRP81532 in Balfour Beatty white and blue (1999 - Present) See more images and pre-order yours, here Cheers, Dave I'm going to get really, really anal here. The box on the rear half of of the jib is a radius measurement component, and these were changed from the original Ekco SLI, so to absolutely precise, the version in original livery isn't correct, it should have the original Ekco radius box on the jib, which is a more square shape as shown on the photo below just underneath the mechanical radius indicator. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyddrail Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 Looking good. Cranes numbered up to DRP81506 had a different profile on the counterbalance weight to jib mounting, which makes DRP81504 not an ideal choice to model. Cheers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 96701 Posted November 12, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 12, 2019 Clarke Chapman designed their 12t GPs and TJCs then built them, so they are all the same. Plasser on the other hand appeared to build one, tweak it a bit for subsequent builds until they settled on DRP 81507. Subsequent builds are the same as 81507, previous builds all differ slightly. The original build Plasser GPCs retained the original Rexroth Hydraulic Model and Serial Numbers on the pumps and motors, so I took the details so that they could be repaired by Rexroth dealers. When Plasser got wind of it, threats ensued, so we stopped sending stuff to Rexroth dealers and sent them to Plassers. I wonder what happened to the costs........ 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDG Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 @Hattons Dave did you mean to say 2021 as the new release date, or is it 2020? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dungrange Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 4 hours ago, 96701 said: I'm going to get really, really anal here. The box on the rear half of of the jib is a radius measurement component, and these were changed from the original Ekco SLI, so to absolutely precise, the version in original livery isn't correct, it should have the original Ekco radius box on the jib, which is a more square shape as shown on the photo below just underneath the mechanical radius indicator. Isn't the photograph above one of the Cowans Sheldon cranes, whereas Hattons are producing the Plasser Theurer version? I'm no expert on these, but I'm certainly looking forward to these even if i have to wait until 2021. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 96701 Posted November 13, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 13, 2019 The photo above is of Healey Mills 75t crane, but it was fitted with the same Ekco radius indicator as were all General Purpose and Twin Jib Cranes of that era. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
owentherail Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 Delayed a year...... As long as it does not have a years more cost on it when I does come out. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Hattons Dave Posted February 11, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 11, 2020 Afternoon all, We are pleased to share the initial CAD file for our Plasser GPC crane with you! In a first for the industry, we’re offering you the option to download our full CAD file (.EASM format) to get the ultimate closer look and allow you to suggest any changes to the model. We welcome any and all thoughts either via email or here on RMWeb, so take a look and let us know what you think. This is your opportunity to be part of this exciting project and help to ensure our model is as accurate as possible. Click HERE to download the CAD file. Please note - you will need a CAD viewing application in order to access it. We recommend eDrawings Viewer by Dassault Systemes which is free to use. To find out more and pre-order yours visit THIS page of our website. Cheers, Dave 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 96701 Posted February 11, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 11, 2020 7 hours ago, Hattons Dave said: Afternoon all, We are pleased to share the initial CAD file for our Plasser GPC crane with you! In a first for the industry, we’re offering you the option to download our full CAD file (.EASM format) to get the ultimate closer look and allow you to suggest any changes to the model. We welcome any and all thoughts either via email or here on RMWeb, so take a look and let us know what you think. This is your opportunity to be part of this exciting project and help to ensure our model is as accurate as possible. Click HERE to download the CAD file. Please note - you will need a CAD viewing application in order to access it. We recommend eDrawings Viewer by Dassault Systemes which is free to use. To find out more and pre-order yours visit THIS page of our website. Cheers, Dave Dave, See my post above re the Ekco radius indicator box as fitted to the original cranes. It was a square box fitted to the jib, same size and shape as that fitted to the 75t crane. The box on the rhs of the jib on your CAD is the new type which isn;t quite correct for the first build in BR colours. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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