Damo666 Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 1 hour ago, boxbrownie said: If you produce an 08 I’ll tell you about the first Loco I ever rode.........I was 11 and walking home from school and had to pass Hornsey goods yard, as always stopped and had a look and saw my Uncle in an 08 doing a bit of shunting.......shouted my lungs out to get his attention and ended up spending the evening trundling around the yard.........for a 12 year old school boy it was sheer heaven That was a long afternoon. Time flies when you are enjoying yourself. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold BR Blue Posted September 10, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Damo666 said: That was a long afternoon. Time flies when you are enjoying yourself. I was about to make the same comment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scots region Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 Whats this about an 08? Is that why my wallet was MIA this morning? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Accurascale Fran Posted September 10, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 10, 2019 6 minutes ago, scots region said: Whats this about an 08? Is that why my wallet was MIA this morning? This is how rumours start! We are not doing an 08! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scots region Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, Accurascale Fran said: This is how rumours start! We are not doing an 08! So a firm maybe them? 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium boxbrownie Posted September 10, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 10, 2019 2 hours ago, Damo666 said: That was a long afternoon. Time flies when you are enjoying yourself. It was my Birthday Tell the truth I worked out after I wrote it that it was my first year at secondary school so I must have been 11........and only corrected the first entry........no wonder I did terrible at school, I never showed my “workings out” 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium boxbrownie Posted September 10, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 10, 2019 26 minutes ago, Accurascale Fran said: We are not doing an 08! Ah yes, well you say that now.........but.......... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maico Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 (edited) 22 hours ago, No Decorum said: Directional? That seems an odd idea. The fans are there to push air over radiators; I doubt that they would work effectively if reversed. That's what the animation seems to show....https://www.maerklin.de/de/produkte/details/article/39320/24/?tx_torrpdb_pi1[backlink]=24&tx_torrpdb_pi1 Isn't the airflow reversed going backwards ? =2&tx_torrpdb_pi1[perpage]=10&tx_torrpdb_pi1[era]=&tx_torrpdb_pi1[newonly]=0&tx_torrpdb_pi1[gaugechoice]=2&tx_torrpdb_pi1[groupchoice]=1&tx_torrpdb_pi1[subgroupchoice]=2&tx_torrpdb_pi1[filter]=1&tx_torrpdb_pi1[pagesort]=artnrasc&tx_torrpdb_pi1[brandId]=1&tx_torrpdb_pi1[noPaging]= Edited September 10, 2019 by maico Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maico Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 (edited) On 09/09/2019 at 17:44, Accurascale Fran said: And people call us expensive! (Not anyone here in fairness!) While prices in the UK market have increased, it is still very good value compared to elsewhere as seen above. Cheers! Fran Personally, I am prepared to pay a bit more for a die-cast zinc body shell. Brawa, ESU and Marklin-Trix offer that but I can only afford to buy them used... Edited September 10, 2019 by maico Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
atom3624 Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 If that's the reason the shell looked old, tbh, for that money, they can keep it!! Not enough detail, nor fine enough relief, as is expected nowadays. Fran's Deltic's looking MILES better, and here's hoping. Al. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted September 10, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 10, 2019 6 hours ago, Accurascale Fran said: This is how rumours start! We are not doing an 08! Class 13 is still unmodelled by anyone... ;-) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Ian J. Posted September 11, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 11, 2019 How about an original 09? In basic BR blue, with high level pipes. Hornby seems reluctant to produce one in that livery from their tooling, and Bachmann's 09 wasn't the original type. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium boxbrownie Posted September 11, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 11, 2019 Sorry Fran..... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maico Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 14 hours ago, atom3624 said: If that's the reason the shell looked old, tbh, for that money, they can keep it!! Not enough detail, nor fine enough relief, as is expected nowadays. Fran's Deltic's looking MILES better, and here's hoping. Al. I haven't seen one in person but what is the difference between the v320 model and prototype ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
atom3624 Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 I must admit, from that video, the casting and painting look very crisp - in the photos I had seen, they looked very 'Hornby Dublo' - fantastic at the time, but that's moved on. I'll take back much of what I inferred, but I still believe there's probably a better 'relief' with a good / clever modern plastic moulding. Al. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maico Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 (edited) This is 1998 die-cast zinc. Good enough in my book Edited September 11, 2019 by maico Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maico Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 Here's a plastic bodied Piko Expert I got a couple of weeks ago for 104 euro new. The chassis bellow the 221 147-2 is die-cast. I can't see any difference in detail between that and the upper plastic shell. Remember these are Ho so smaller than OO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted September 11, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 11, 2019 (edited) After 40 years of head scratching about Wrenn, are we seeing resurgence in demand for metal bodies ? whilst all these nice HO models are being hoisted to lofty heights, remember they all have very nice traction tyres too.. meaning the weight part is largely nebulous as traction tyres are what gives it the real strength, not the weight. remove the traction tyres from a HO model, your back to OO levels of haulage ability... Lima still beats many UK rtr models for haulage. Edited September 11, 2019 by adb968008 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
truffy Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 20 hours ago, maico said: Previous Page Next Page Previous Page Next Page That's what the animation seems to show....https://www.maerklin.de/de/produkte/details/article/39320/24/?tx_torrpdb_pi1[backlink]=24&tx_torrpdb_pi1 Isn't the airflow reversed going backwards ? =2&tx_torrpdb_pi1[perpage]=10&tx_torrpdb_pi1[era]=&tx_torrpdb_pi1[newonly]=0&tx_torrpdb_pi1[gaugechoice]=2&tx_torrpdb_pi1[groupchoice]=1&tx_torrpdb_pi1[subgroupchoice]=2&tx_torrpdb_pi1[filter]=1&tx_torrpdb_pi1[pagesort]=artnrasc&tx_torrpdb_pi1[brandId]=1&tx_torrpdb_pi1[noPaging]= Previous Page Next Page Previous Page Next Page Corrected? (Surely the direction of the airflow is independent of the direction of travel?) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
atom3624 Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 (edited) In my recent 'browsing' I came across something comparing an old Tri-ang 'Winston Churchill' I think at ~400g with a H-D / Wrenn rebuilt Bulleid weighing in at ~700g ... 400-450g is typical for Hornby large pacifics, 450-550g typical for Bachmann I find. I think we're looking for that 'win, win' scenario, whereby we have maximum available performance in every aspect - which would include current consumption nowadays. Surely, in increasing weight, we will require more powerful motors at some point, so all may need a rethink in their power supplies, or even locomotive requirements. For reference, in the last 8 months, I had a Bachmann Class 70, which is a really nice model, but with no room for additional weights, weighed in at a paltry 440g - thus would run out of traction pretty early cf. my then Bachmann 66 weighing in at 600g+, with a little additional Pb. Then everything went pear-shaped when I received my Dapol 68 - super smooth, more-than fast enough, and weighing in at 695g!! Prototypical loads are definitely possible without breaking a sweat. I sold the Class 70 as I knew it would annoy me!! Al. Edited September 11, 2019 by atom3624 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
atom3624 Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 I would be surprised if it is pure Zinc, but should be an alloy. Characteristics: Zinc is a bluish-silver, lustrous metal that tarnishes in moist air, producing a layer of carbonate. It is somewhat brittle at room temperature but malleable above 100 oC. It is a fair conductor of electricity, and burns in air with a bright bluish-green flame producing white clouds of the oxide. Too reactive unless coated. Alloys - including ZAMAK: https://www.belmontmetals.com/product-category/zinc-alloys/ Al. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium boxbrownie Posted September 11, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 11, 2019 4 hours ago, atom3624 said: I must admit, from that video, the casting and painting look very crisp - in the photos I had seen, they looked very 'Hornby Dublo' - fantastic at the time, but that's moved on. I'll take back much of what I inferred, but I still believe there's probably a better 'relief' with a good / clever modern plastic moulding. Al. It is possible that on the website the pictures on the layout could be EPs mocked up for the piccies.......the first set of very clean pictures look a little like computer generated........just a thought. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
atom3624 Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 (edited) Isn't the Dapol A4 a cast / metal body as well? That must weigh a (relative) ton!! Al. Edited September 11, 2019 by atom3624 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ryde-on-time Posted September 11, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 11, 2019 The cast & fabricated bogies refers the the prototypes which were initially fitted with fabricated bogies but due to cracking they were replaced with cast ones 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Accurascale Fran Posted September 11, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 11, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Ryde-on-time said: The cast & fabricated bogies refers the the prototypes which were initially fitted with fabricated bogies but due to cracking they were replaced with cast ones This is indeed correct. The Deltic has plastic bogie components (sideframes etc) and a plastic body over a heavy metal chassis. Cast and fabricated refers to the style of bogies the Deltics featured during their lives. Cheers! Fran Edited September 11, 2019 by Accurascale Fran 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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