No Decorum Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 2 hours ago, Roy Langridge said: Wouldn't a dark wash of some type be more appropriate so that the finish is uneven as weathering tends to be? Roy Ahem. I was referring to “looing” down on it from numerous bridges. I thought a “k” might be missing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Roy Langridge Posted October 20, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 20, 2021 8 minutes ago, No Decorum said: Ahem. I was referring to “looing” down on it from numerous bridges. I thought a “k” might be missing. Lol, missed the subtlety of that. Very good! Roy 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 97406 Posted October 20, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 20, 2021 20 hours ago, Northern Electric said: The gutter mod looks good. Though probably a bit easier to do on BR blue examples than the sectorised/privatised liveries, as you have the wrap around orange lining to contend with on those ones. Yellow is more. tricky to match, but it can be done. Just playing with HMRS pressfix orange lining on a 37 and it is looking very promising at the moment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold dmu 156 Posted October 21, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 21, 2021 The wear and tear of the carbon strips causes the weathered look. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 97406 Posted October 27, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 27, 2021 On 19/10/2021 at 22:31, Northern Electric said: The gutter mod looks good. Though probably a bit easier to do on BR blue examples than the sectorised/privatised liveries, as you have the wrap around orange lining to contend with on those ones. The HMRS pressfix lining is a game changer. Here’s my 37 with orange and white lining all done with it. The only exception is the orange line on the front of the bonnet which is waterslide. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Patriot87003 Posted November 11, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 11, 2021 Heljan released a product update newsletter this morning (linked below), that includes the news that the Class 86/4’s are due during January 2022 … not long to go! (Subject to shipping etc). https://www.Heljan.co.uk/post/Heljan-november-news-update?utm_campaign=4585b9b4-4895-41cb-bed6-177ff25d5dbe&utm_source=so&utm_medium=mail&cid=12d42152-d01c-4279-82d5-4ff1f6f5f758 The update also includes three pictures; hopefully Ben won’t mind me taking screenshots and publishing below … they look lovely models and look forward to them arriving. The pantographs look so much better than upon the first Class 86/2’s from several years ago … I hope they’ll be available as spares to retro-fit. 6 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wombatofludham Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 That's a Brecknell-Willis pan. That's a good call for the future 86/2s. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonC Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 1 hour ago, Patriot87003 said: Heljan released a product update newsletter this morning (linked below), that includes the news that the Class 86/4’s are due during January 2022 … not long to go! (Subject to shipping etc). https://www.Heljan.co.uk/post/Heljan-november-news-update?utm_campaign=4585b9b4-4895-41cb-bed6-177ff25d5dbe&utm_source=so&utm_medium=mail&cid=12d42152-d01c-4279-82d5-4ff1f6f5f758 The update also includes three pictures; hopefully Ben won’t mind me taking screenshots and publishing below … they look lovely models and look forward to them arriving. The pantographs look so much better than upon the first Class 86/2’s from several years ago … I hope they’ll be available as spares to retro-fit. are the red and white stripes of the Intercity Executive one there the same width? The red should be wider than the white Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Patriot87003 Posted November 11, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 11, 2021 20 minutes ago, GordonC said: are the red and white stripes of the Intercity Executive one there the same width? The red should be wider than the white Looks ok to me! I’ve zoomed in, taken a screenshot again and used the ruler function in edit mode of the pic placed over the door hand rail … and the white band is less than 2 divisions wide, the red is almost 2.5 divisions wide … 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonC Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 23 minutes ago, Patriot87003 said: Looks ok to me! I’ve zoomed in, taken a screenshot again and used the ruler function in edit mode of the pic placed over the door hand rail … and the white band is less than 2 divisions wide, the red is almost 2.5 divisions wide … I thought there was a slightly bigger distinction between the two. I cant remember the measurements, I'm sure they were measured in inches on the real locos 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted November 11, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 11, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Patriot87003 said: Heljan released a product update newsletter this morning (linked below), that includes the news that the Class 86/4’s are due during January 2022 … not long to go! (Subject to shipping etc). https://www.Heljan.co.uk/post/Heljan-november-news-update?utm_campaign=4585b9b4-4895-41cb-bed6-177ff25d5dbe&utm_source=so&utm_medium=mail&cid=12d42152-d01c-4279-82d5-4ff1f6f5f758 The update also includes three pictures; hopefully Ben won’t mind me taking screenshots and publishing below … they look lovely models and look forward to them arriving. The pantographs look so much better than upon the first Class 86/2’s from several years ago … I hope they’ll be available as spares to retro-fit. Lovely, but the night crawler has oval buffers.. Its probably worth pointing out the box shifters do too. Edited November 11, 2021 by adb968008 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 97406 Posted November 11, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 11, 2021 Would love to see a more frontal view of the IC 86, but it looks promising. Technically the cab window surrounds were matt black, and it’s hard to tell if this has been replicated. However I will be fixing the gutter rails and removing the RCH cables to replace with wire if they are moulded, so will sort then if not. The pan looks promising. I’m wondering about a second one to adorn with the larger yellow end, but I may wait for the 86/2 for that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 Why were the larger yellow ends applied so extensively on 86/87 classes? I don’t recall many (any?) Exec 47s being so treated? Was it simply the yellow cab roof on the electrics got blackened so quickly and there were concerns of “not enough yellow” on the electrics, hence mod. In some cases it looked done quite crudely with unmatching paint. M Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted November 11, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 11, 2021 23 minutes ago, Matt said: Why were the larger yellow ends applied so extensively on 86/87 classes? I don’t recall many (any?) Exec 47s being so treated? Was it simply the yellow cab roof on the electrics got blackened so quickly and there were concerns of “not enough yellow” on the electrics, hence mod. In some cases it looked done quite crudely with unmatching paint. M Class 47’s/56’s got yellow cabs / cab roofs, pretty much same as any other. 37/50’s had grey roofs i think it was more to do with aesthetics fitting the body shape., half a cab roof being painted yellow wouldnt look right. That said was the backhead of the cab roof, facing into the roof well painted yellow ? Ive never seen that before, that said if it was yellow I doubt it would be ever cleaned and soon become dark. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 97406 Posted November 11, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 11, 2021 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Matt said: Why were the larger yellow ends applied so extensively on 86/87 classes? I don’t recall many (any?) Exec 47s being so treated? Was it simply the yellow cab roof on the electrics got blackened so quickly and there were concerns of “not enough yellow” on the electrics, hence mod. In some cases it looked done quite crudely with unmatching paint. M Initially the IC Executive livery was introduced on class 86s with the grey band around the front. The first few larger yellow ends seemed to be introduced only to locos without a headlight fitted as they left Crewe Works, with headlight-fitted locos still having the grey band applied. However the distinction became less obvious when headlights were fitted to the relevant locos without the grey band being reinstated. Also some of the later repaints had the larger yellow end applied to locos with the headlights fitted. A shame as I really liked the grey band around the front, having grown up with banger blue and yellow all over the front of locos. Edited November 11, 2021 by 97406 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
298 Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 Another reason was depots undertook the repainting of yellow ends more regularly on AC electrics outside of complete repaints, partly because of being hammered through rainstorms on Shap and Beattock, and partly because the quality of paint and application left alot to be desired at times. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted November 12, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 12, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, 298 said: Another reason was depots undertook the repainting of yellow ends more regularly on AC electrics outside of complete repaints, partly because of being hammered through rainstorms on Shap and Beattock, and partly because the quality of paint and application left alot to be desired at times. Thats an interesting point.. as a kid i’d remember the days of BR opendays and works visits, especially Crewe, Swindon and Doncaster. What used to strike me was how yellow ends quickly faded, a loco that before winter was in service, by spring was a faded yellow end on a scrap line. What used to cause this ? Afterall rain is rain, being out door was no different .. if its stored or being in service. i note the yellow would become chalky, was it affected by movement? Surely not ? Or was it wind rubbing off the chalky layers keeping it fresh, but needing more frequent coats of yellow ? over time long term storage would see the blue fade, but yellow gave up very quickly, but I didnt understand why ? seems to be much less of an issue these days. Edited November 12, 2021 by adb968008 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
47606odin Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 4 minutes ago, adb968008 said: Thats an interesting point.. as a kid i’d remember the days of BR opendays and works visits, especially Crewe, Swindon and Doncaster. What used to strike me was how yellow ends quickly faded, a loco that before winter was in service, by spring was a faded yellow end. What used to cause this ? Afterall rain is rain, being out door was no different .. if its stored or being in service. yellow paint always fades due to what’s in It, same as red. Spec 88 was terrible in that respect. I painted a Morris minor van in the stuff, and in no time it went from a bright yellow to a more creamy custard colour covered in a white oxidisation layer. It washed off easy enough back to the more custard colour, but within a week it was powdery again. Constant washing through carriage washers and a broom on the front on exams would keep it yellow, but never the same colour as when fresh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete the Elaner Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 Regardless of the reason, I remember seeing several 86s & 87s with the original IC livery but extended yellow ends but the extra bit was a lot more faded. I cannot remember if the extra bit was more faded at the front than the little part around the sides. I am not sure how easy it would be to make this look convincing with an airbrush by giving it a light coat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaneofFife Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 (edited) that executive one looks good. my initial concern from earlier photos ive seen seemed to make the corridor side windows look very small, smaller in size than the grilles either side but here they look okay. maybe a trick of the camera..... i like the look of the pan too (sits nice and low down in the lowered position (if that makes sense-those that know just will know what i mean) but would like to see it in its raised position. glad i ordered mine now. seems all we really need next are some lovely class 81s...... Edited November 12, 2021 by ThaneofFife 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig1989 Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 Can’t wait for these as I have 5 on order 4 freightliner and one sleeper one hopefully if another run is done hopefully they do the lsl one Cheers Craig 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazwire Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 Can't wait for my executive livery one, plus my freightliner order - this 86 is a terrific model. I'm still over the moon with my blue 86. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VXDH92 Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 Good to see the BW pan, and also really good to see the multiple working cables being separately fitted pieces. Pity they didn't do that with the TDM cables! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnson Street IEMD Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 I have decided that I will be having the Cally sleeper liveried class 86, 86401, as per WCRC ownership. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Roy Langridge Posted November 13, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 13, 2021 Heljan have made some cracking models and, whilst this one is not for me, if certainly falls into that camp. Roy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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