RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted May 22, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 22, 2021 3 hours ago, adb968008 said: Thanks Mike, so in practical terms, what is probably more realistic for the modeller is to just turn both the white (should be red) front lights, and the rear red lights off permanently. I think that makes a lot of sense n the model railway context (unless you are planning a disaster scenario) but in any case I think lights are probably best controlled by switches rather than automatically changing with direction in order to avoid such nonsenses as a red light on the rear end of a loco pulling a train. 3 hours ago, zr2498 said: Great explanation of the need for the standard tail lamps, hence the lamp brackets if running light engine. Please excuse my lack of knowledge. How about the reverse movements what would be showing on the tender. Would that be a white oil lamp? There are several factors at work here. If a movement takes place outside what are known as 'Station Limits'. (which is an operational classification which in fact has nothing to do with the presence or otherwise of a station) then any movement requires head and tail lights. Similarly lights are required for movements made on running lines within Station Limits but if short distances were involved and the movement was unlikely to standstill for any longer than it took to reverse it was often the practice - albeit technically incorrect - not to change the lamps between the two ends of a loco etc when it reversed. It was also not unheard of for such moves to sometimes take place in daylight without any lamps being carried at all - but that was rather naughty and could be very dangerous. The easy way to think of it is that if the movement will take place over any running line between two different signal boxes then lamps, correctly placed, are essential - headlight on the front exhibiting the appropriate code (back in the days of such things) and a tail lamp on the back. 2 1 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartingram Posted May 22, 2021 Share Posted May 22, 2021 I saw for the 1st time today, GT3, running on the T4U test rack. An impressive model, and I'm glad I've ordered one. But those lights - absolutely toy-like gimmicks in my opinion. Remind me of a BMW or Audi driver who has to have DRLs, headlights (often on full beam), foglights, and anything else he can find, all switched on at the same time, at any time of day. No BR diesel ever used (in that era) electric lighting that was visible in daylight. As Mike said above, all tail lamps (only used when no rolling stock was behind) HAD to be oil lamps - which the light from is not visible in daylight. The signalman's duty was to observe the rear of the train for the presence of a lamp, which signified the end of the train. 1st job on mine, when it arrives (after testing of course) will be to lift the body off and rip out all the lights (and dcc wiring). The rubbish bin will be close by.... Stewart 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 12 hours ago, stewartingram said: I saw for the 1st time today, GT3, running on the T4U test rack. An impressive model, and I'm glad I've ordered one. But those lights - absolutely toy-like gimmicks in my opinion. Remind me of a BMW or Audi driver who has to have DRLs, headlights (often on full beam), foglights, and anything else he can find, all switched on at the same time, at any time of day. No BR diesel ever used (in that era) electric lighting that was visible in daylight. As Mike said above, all tail lamps (only used when no rolling stock was behind) HAD to be oil lamps - which the light from is not visible in daylight. The signalman's duty was to observe the rear of the train for the presence of a lamp, which signified the end of the train. 1st job on mine, when it arrives (after testing of course) will be to lift the body off and rip out all the lights (and dcc wiring). The rubbish bin will be close by.... Stewart That is up to you, of course, but I wouldn’t rip anything out just yet. The lead for the tail lights can be unplugged easily. Open and closed headcode discs (actually ovals) enable the appropriate headcode to be displayed. I haven’t yet tackled the front tail lights. They are powered by one of four wires on a plug and could be cut or pulled out. Why I suggest not ripping everything out is that the wiring is spot on; it’s the PCB which is at fault. If, and there has been no word of it yet, a replacement PCB is produced, it would just be a matter of unplugging the wires, removing two screws, replacing the PCB and plugging everything back in. Alternatively, if you don’t want the lights, you could just unplug all the connectors, which would be easily reversible. 1 4 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 On 19/05/2021 at 09:07, Graham_Muz said: The red fan is very prominent in that shot. It isn’t readily visible in the model but shine a torch on the front and it is there. One plus point to KR. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wagonmaster Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 On 22/05/2021 at 08:41, zr2498 said: This all seems so logical. Before I start with colour changes, rewiring and CV changes it would perhaps be great to come up with a plausible solution before snipping any wires. a) Red instead of white lights on the front above the buffer beam, for short movements in reverse (even if not used in practice). Normally OFF, would come ON in REVERSE as part of directional lighting function. b) Ability to turn tender tail lights off when running forwards (operational) and coupled up to stock c) Assume a standard white oil lamp used on a lamp bracket on the tender when in reverse? Would this be done in practice? Could do with some advice on this one but in reality for the odd occasion when this is done on a layout we are hardly likely to take lamps on and off! I came up with a solution for my GT3 which I think would satisfy your requirements in my post of April 2nd on page 78, if it's of any help? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
locoman462 Posted May 26, 2021 Share Posted May 26, 2021 19 hours ago, Wagonmaster said: I came up with a solution for my GT3 which I think would satisfy your requirements in my post of April 2nd on page 78, if it's of any help? Hi Wagonmaster, I am very interested in your lighting 'fix' as detailed in your post of 2nd April and would appreciate hearing your thoughts on a couple of points. Firstly, do you think that the re-wiring of the front tail lights as described will work in dc/analogue mode? I want to have the head code discs lighting up when running forwards and the lower front tail lights lighting when running in reverse. Secondly, can you please clarify the cutting of the NF black wire close to the plug. I assume that the new extended wire is soldered to the loose end of the wire coming from the loco/tender connector before re-routing as described. This makes the original NF plug connection redundant. Your advice will be most appreciated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chris p bacon Posted May 26, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 26, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, locoman462 said: Your advice will be most appreciated. It's very helpful of Wagonmaster to offer a fix, but any advice on fixing these issues should really come from @KR Models as cutting and altering the wiring will most likely negate your warranty. Whilst you may not be worried about this, there may be others following the advice who would be. Edited May 26, 2021 by chris p bacon typo 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wagonmaster Posted May 26, 2021 Share Posted May 26, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, locoman462 said: Hi Wagonmaster, I am very interested in your lighting 'fix' as detailed in your post of 2nd April and would appreciate hearing your thoughts on a couple of points. Firstly, do you think that the re-wiring of the front tail lights as described will work in dc/analogue mode? I want to have the head code discs lighting up when running forwards and the lower front tail lights lighting when running in reverse. Secondly, can you please clarify the cutting of the NF black wire close to the plug. I assume that the new extended wire is soldered to the loose end of the wire coming from the loco/tender connector before re-routing as described. This makes the original NF plug connection redundant. Your advice will be most appreciated. Hi, unfortunately my 'fix' as described will only work for DCC as I am using the decoder for light switching and logic. You can modify GT3 to display your required lighting on dc/analogue, but it is different to my described wiring and will require the use of diodes and resistors. I cut the NF wire close to the plug as I wanted as much cable as possible to re-route the wiring without fouling the tender body when it was replaced. 3 hours ago, chris p bacon said: It's very helpful of Wagonmaster to offer a fix, but any advice on fixing these issues should really come from @KR Models as cutting and altering the wiring will most likely negate your warranty. Whilst you may not be worried about this, there may be others following the advice who would be. I did point out about voiding the warranty in my post. Edited May 26, 2021 by Wagonmaster 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
locoman462 Posted May 26, 2021 Share Posted May 26, 2021 1 hour ago, Wagonmaster said: Hi, unfortunately my 'fix' as described will only work for DCC as I am using the decoder for light switching and logic. You can modify GT3 to display your required lighting on dc/analogue, but it is different to my described wiring and will require the use of diodes and resistors. I cut the NF wire close to the plug as I wanted as much cable as possible to re-route the wiring without fouling the tender body when it was replaced. I did point out about voiding the warranty in my post. Thanks Wagonmaster, I feared that might be the case. Appreciate your response to clear that up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewi73050 Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 Anyone else still waiting for their GT3 first run? I pre ordered a DCC sound fitted model (well, paid the first installment) as early as March 2019 and haven't seen or heard of any delivery update. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pre Grouping fan Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 5 minutes ago, Lewi73050 said: Anyone else still waiting for their GT3 first run? I pre ordered a DCC sound fitted model (well, paid the first installment) as early as March 2019 and haven't seen or heard of any delivery update. I'd get in contact with Michael if I were you, hopefully he can help you michael@krmodels.co.uk Yesterday after 9 weeks, I finally got the sound chip for my model after I got a standard model instead. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 21C123 Posted May 27, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 27, 2021 hi Lewi I’m still waiting for mine, it came out to NZ but was returned as the courier wouldn’t deliver to a PO Box…. Why they accepted it in the UK I don’t know. I’ve got a tracking number this time and it’s in transit, due in 2 weeks. get in touch with Michael, he should be able to sort it. Roger 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 Better to use messaging if you are on Facebook, experience has proved you get a pretty prompt reply. It worked for me. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rembrow Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 Rails of Sheffield has posted on their website this morning, that they will be stocking a limited number of the GT3s, from the second run, in dcc ready, dcc fitted and sound fitted forms. The update says they can be pre ordered from now with £30 deposit. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Markwj Posted June 2, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 2, 2021 Didn’t want one wasn’t going to buy one but then Rails popped up with that email, so now pre ordered! Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieGuyRob Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 Hi, due to the joys of getting drunk, and, ordering stuff online whilst intoxicated, it turns out I ordered 2 gt3's. So if any one would like to buy my spare loco, I would be happy to sell it £150. It will be brand new and I will pay the postage. It's from the second batch. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold zr2498 Posted June 21, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, PieGuyRob said: Hi, due to the joys of getting drunk, and, ordering stuff online whilst intoxicated, it turns out I ordered 2 gt3's. So if any one would like to buy my spare loco, I would be happy to sell it £150. It will be brand new and I will pay the postage. It's from the second batch. Surely if you have ordered two by mistake you should be able to cancel one order and get a refund? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted June 21, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, PieGuyRob said: Hi, due to the joys of getting drunk, and, ordering stuff online whilst intoxicated, it turns out I ordered 2 gt3's. So if any one would like to buy my spare loco, I would be happy to sell it £150. It will be brand new and I will pay the postage. It's from the second batch. I can't offer to unload your extra loco, but as far as ordering while under the influence goes, some years back an RMwebber put in a winning ebay bid - for a Mercedes S Class. He had a real problem getting shot of it again! 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieGuyRob Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 19 hours ago, PieGuyRob said: Hi, due to the joys of getting drunk, and, ordering stuff online whilst intoxicated, it turns out I ordered 2 gt3's. So if any one would like to buy my spare loco, I would be happy to sell it £150. It will be brand new and I will pay the postage. It's from the second batch. Turns out I forgot about Fathers day, so when it arrives, I got my dad a present! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
montyburns56 Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 I came across these pictures while browsing on Flickr "50th Anniversary of Locomotive Engineers Exhibition" at the Marylebone Goods Yard 1961 by Ron Bowyer 5 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hodgson Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 2 hours ago, montyburns56 said: I particularly like this view, because it shows something quite obvious when you think about it but had never occurred to me - namely that the "boiler cladding" on this 4-6-0 would have hinged inspection doors. It would have been preferable on safety grounds if the hinge had been towards the "smokebox" end rather than the cab end in case it ever came open in traffic (I had an Austin mini whose bonnet flew open on me once blocking forward vision - in the middle of Spaghetti Junction). 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium amwells Posted July 21, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 21, 2021 8 hours ago, Michael Hodgson said: (I had an Austin mini whose bonnet flew open on me once blocking forward vision - in the middle of Spaghetti Junction). Totally off topic but so did I - on the M6 while overtaking a lorry. Managed to bend and tie the thing down and, passing Warrington, picked up a spare from the treasure trove near the station! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium boxbrownie Posted July 21, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 21, 2021 We had the bonnet on Minis fly open numerous times but we found they were quite useful, they stopped all the mud accumulating quite so much on the screen and we could easily peer through the large gap underneath……. but that was while humping around Lydden rallycourse circuit 1 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian_R Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 On 20/07/2021 at 19:43, montyburns56 said: I came across these pictures while browsing on Flickr "50th Anniversary of Locomotive Engineers Exhibition" at the Marylebone Goods Yard 1961 by Ron Bowyer Those are some really cool photos! I love them. The GT3 has such a damn cool design, I love it. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Markwj Posted August 2, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 2, 2021 Do we know what stage the second run is at? Is it in production, waiting factory slot etc? Asking for a friend (my brother who can’t be arsed to ask for himself but endlessly witters about stuff)! cheers 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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