pwr Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 12 hours ago, brossard said: I like Dapol screw links, good value. The spring can be a bit wimbly so a stiffer spring from the scrap box might be in order. John I am a big fan of Dapol's Instanter coupling - best on the market with a centre link that looks the part Paul R 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Adrian Stevenson Posted September 3, 2021 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted September 3, 2021 Set up at Hampton Loade at a nice spot to do a bit of modelling on the GUV before tea. Had a great day seeing Flying Scotsman and Union of South Africa this morning. See my thread in the preservation forum for pics. Looking forward to the show tomorrow. Cheers, Ade. 14 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simond Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 Ade, if you have a “PFI” incident there, you’ll need more than a brass magnet! 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post Adrian Stevenson Posted September 6, 2021 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted September 6, 2021 Back home now after our two weeks of travels. I decided to finish off weathering one of the Autocoaches. I was inspired after seeing one at the SVR O gauge show this weekend. I have shown my other one so you can see the difference in the roof and the panels. This other one will also get the treatment in due course. Cheers, Ade. 20 5 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgman Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 Very brave of you but looking good Ade. 2 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Bell Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 I don't think I would have the courage to do that. Very effective though Cheers David 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazz Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 Ade, I'm not so sure the GWR ran such mucky coaches in it's day. Preservation line coaches is a different matter as just experienced last w/end. 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mol_PMB Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 I think it looks quite plausible, a branch-line autocoach with a white roof would show the grime like that between infrequent cleaning. The bodysides would have been cleaned more often but even then there would have been awkward corners and dirt traps. On the FfR most of our stock is cleaned every few days in season but if you look closely it’s not practical to keep them perfect. And that’s in a modern ‘clean air act’ world. Mol 2 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Regularity Posted September 7, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 7, 2021 The white roof is more likely to have weathered to a uniform shade of grey, with a few bits of dirt/soot, etc. This because of the oxides in the paint. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Adrian Stevenson Posted September 7, 2021 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted September 7, 2021 Thanks for all the comments as usual. I wanted to show a coach with a weathered white roof without it looking like the later all grey painted version. Cheers, Ade. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brossard Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 For roofs in general, I airbrush a broad band of earth followed by a narrower band of black. To my eye this simulates the varying buildup of soot, ash and muck. The dirt buildup is lighter at the roof edges and heavier in the middle. John 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Metropolitan H Posted September 8, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 8, 2021 Chaps, Please remember that back in the pre WWII world the white roofs would be painted with Lead based paints, which reacted with the sulphur in the smoke to rapidly turn grey - it wasn't all soot deposits, but a natural chemical reaction. Lead based paints are now forbidden on health grounds and more durable white pigments are used. Regards Chris H 1 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Adrian Stevenson Posted September 9, 2021 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted September 9, 2021 Talking at the weekend about this with the chaps from Dapol. One of their customers could remember the autocoaches in the pre war GWR era and was adamant that the roofs were never white. So much so, they did him a custom grey roof on one as he was such a good client! Cheers, Ade. 2 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simond Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 I googled “coach roof” - looking only at the few prototype photos that appeared to be original rather than preserved, they were varying shades of grey, but quite uniform. the photos did not show streaking or other “features” Im away at the moment, I’ll have a look ag some book photos when I get home i think the dirt trapped in the framing is very much as I recall seeing on photos, and brings the whole vehicle into relief atb simon 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hal Nail Posted September 9, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 9, 2021 Its amusing really where we all draw the line prototypically. For me the weathering accentuates the panelling and looks convincing so I did mine like that regardless of how clean they may actually have been. Besides which, there were only actually six of this design of autocoach but must be getting towards 6 reruns by now! First mover advantage though - I'd be very surprised if anyone does a more common alternative. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted September 9, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 9, 2021 51 minutes ago, Simond said: I googled “coach roof” - looking only at the few prototype photos that appeared to be original rather than preserved, they were varying shades of grey, but quite uniform. the photos did not show streaking or other “features” Yes, as @Metropolitan H says, its the paint that changes colour, rather than an accumulation of dirt, that is the main mechanism for the roof turning grey - though of course dirt happens too. If you want to be thorough, you'll have to estimate the time between the date at which you are modelling and the date at which the vehicle was last repainted, and choose the shade of grey accordingly. I dare say white would be good for a few months, at least. Naturally RTR manufacturers present their models in ex-works condition. Preserved vehicles are no guide at all - their roofs are not painted with lead-based paint and even if they were, they're not exposed to the same pollutants - sulphur compounds produced by the burning of coal - to the same extent. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwr Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 If you look at period photos of secondary stock I think Ade has it about right. These things were hardly ever washed Paul R 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brossard Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 (edited) I built some NBR coaches (62C) for a friend. I did the roofs in white but he repainted them grey. Good for him. I confess I wasn't thinking about white roofs when I commented above. My stock is in the early '60s era so everything would be grey anyway. John Edited September 9, 2021 by brossard 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgman Posted September 9, 2021 Share Posted September 9, 2021 9 hours ago, Adrian Stevenson said: roofs were never white Now look what you've started ! 1 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post Adrian Stevenson Posted September 12, 2021 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted September 12, 2021 Spent today painting all the Modelu figures I bought last weekend. Fitted three into one of the chocolate and cream B set carriages. I thought the man reading the newspaper and the well dressed lady looked like 1st class passengers so they went into that compartment. The man in the flat cap looked more appropriate for 3rd class. I have also fitted the crew to the Sentinel. So that project in now complete. Cheers, Ade. 15 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnaby Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 Great modelling Ade, they look excellent. Regards 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brossard Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 Those figures look great Ade. Wow! John 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 WOW, Brilliant Ade. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggies1961 Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 Ade, superb figures excellently painted and positioned. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Bell Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 Those figures are brilliant. I have a couple ordered for Embo so looking forward to receiving them. Cheers David 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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