ben_m Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 I'm about to put in an expression of interest on Dave's site for the n gauge J94. I'll be repainting as a War Department engine from late in WW2- maybe a grey one or green. I'd like to know which of the options Dave offers would be closest to the WD spec; ideally I'd just like to repaint, rather than have to modify the model as well. Its a pity that there isn't a WD option on these, and that Farish haven't done a typical WD scheme for their WD 2-8-0 or upcoming 8F. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poor Old Bruce Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 Going into pedant mode, if you want a WD engine from late WW2, it won't be a J94, it will be an Austerity 0-6-0ST . Technically, J94s were those bought by the LNER from the WD. (hat, coat, gone! ) Well - somebody had to say it 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 Going into pedant mode, if you want a WD engine from late WW2, it won't be a J94, it will be an Austerity 0-6-0ST . Technically, J94s were those bought by the LNER from the WD. (hat, coat, gone! ) Well - somebody had to say it If there is an LNER version without the extended bunker then that would probably be the best option. Most of the NCB and industrial ones were altered with different chimneys, smokebox doors, ladders, steps, etc. Jason 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben_m Posted December 8, 2018 Author Share Posted December 8, 2018 If there is an LNER version without the extended bunker then that would probably be the best option. Most of the NCB and industrial ones were altered with different chimneys, smokebox doors, ladders, steps, etc. Jason Unfortunately Dave's new list doesn't mention bunker heights, and has dropped the LNER versions completely. The current options are: NCB No.7 in Littleton Colliery, lined blue livery MSC Grey No. 85 LMR Blue No. 196 Errol Lonsdale 3806 Wilbert, Rev. W. Awdry O.B.E. 3889 NCB No. 65 NCB 69 No. 2 Area Lined Black NCB 1763 Peckfield Colliery, lined maroon with chevrons NCB Bickershaw Colliery Hurricane lined green BR Black (early crest) No. 68061 BR Black (late crest) No. 68049 The ones he was going to offer as per announcement in September 2013 (and current pre-order at Hattons) was: 68023 BR Early Crest Black with tall coal bunker 68061 ‘British Railways’ original bunker height 8064 LNER with original bunker height 8023 LNER with original bunker height 68068 ‘British Railways’ with tall bunker weathered I've gone for 'BR Black (early crest) No. 68061', and I hope that it will look like the OO version of 68061 with 'British Railways' on the tank, i.e. no red coupling rods and short bunker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les1952 Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 (edited) Check the pics of the OO gauge ones but I think NCB No.69 will have a normal chimney- all NCB locos on the list are low bunker. The MSC locos were bought direct from the WD and I don't think they were modified. Hurricane is a normal chimney but a modified smokebox door. The Weathered NCB Peckfield is deinitely one with a Kylpoor chimney (upturned flowerpot) as is the yellow peril, NCB No.65. Of the two BR locos 68061 never had a high bunker, and 68049 was fitted in March 1950. Either of these could have a third set of footsteps that would need cutting off. Both might have a smokebox numberplate moulded onto the smokebox door. Safest bet is probably MSC Grey number 85, though Errol Lonsdale is a possibility. I can't remember off the top of my head how its nameplates were mounted.. Hope this helps. Les Edited December 8, 2018 by Les1952 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben_m Posted December 10, 2018 Author Share Posted December 10, 2018 Thanks Les, good to know 68061 never had a tall bunker. I've got to modify a couple of other smokebox doors to remove BR numberplates, so I'll guess I'll add this to the list. The steps shouldn't be a problem to clip off it a third set are present. I'm avoiding MRC number 85 and Errol Lonsdale, as I want to avoid repainting the coupling rods, and definately the wheels! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenGiraffe22 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 I too am hoping a pre-LNER one might make an appearance at some point Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold tomparryharry Posted December 11, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 11, 2018 Going into pedant mode, if you want a WD engine from late WW2, it won't be a J94, it will be an Austerity 0-6-0ST . Technically, J94s were those bought by the LNER from the WD. (hat, coat, gone! ) Well - somebody had to say it Oh, at last! Someone else who doesn't call them all by J94! Well done sir! Welcome to the lofty perch of pedantry! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
R Marshall Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 Check the pics of the OO gauge ones but I think NCB No.69 will have a normal chimney- all NCB locos on the list are low bunker. The MSC locos were bought direct from the WD and I don't think they were modified. Hurricane is a normal chimney but a modified smokebox door. The Weathered NCB Peckfield is deinitely one with a Kylpoor chimney (upturned flowerpot) as is the yellow peril, NCB No.65. Of the two BR locos 68061 never had a high bunker, and 68049 was fitted in March 1950. Either of these could have a third set of footsteps that would need cutting off. Both might have a smokebox numberplate moulded onto the smokebox door. Safest bet is probably MSC Grey number 85, though Errol Lonsdale is a possibility. I can't remember off the top of my head how its nameplates were mounted.. Hope this helps. Les Les, Do you have any pictures of the BR engines, please? I've put in a bid for 68049. I've got pictures of 68023, 68050 and 68051 - all with 3 sets of footsteps and 68023 and 68050 have tall bunkers. I was hoping for a variant with the Lambton cab - maybe later? Regards, Roy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les1952 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 (edited) Les, Do you have any pictures of the BR engines, please? I've put in a bid for 68049. I've got pictures of 68023, 68050 and 68051 - all with 3 sets of footsteps and 68023 and 68050 have tall bunkers. I was hoping for a variant with the Lambton cab - maybe later? Regards, Roy I was just too young to get my own pics of the BR engines apart from a distant and grainy shot of the last six lined up at Darlington shed waiting to be haued off for scrap. Darlington had at various times 68023 (high/3 steps), 68047 (high, 3 steps), 68051 (high, 3 steps), 68043 (low/2 steps), 68040 (low), 68025 high/3 steps), 68011 (high) and 68050 (high/3 steps). there were plenty of others. There are quite a few decent pics in the Yeadon book, and the RCTS Green Guide has the definitive list of which locos had which bunkers. https://www.rcts.org.uk/features/archive/search.htm?company=&subtype=0&class=&location=&srch=&page=119 gives a lot of pics of BR ones. It also states which ones had oval buffers for the Cromford and High Peak. That still didn't stop me dropping a clanger with an original Dapol J94 which was 68034 with a Cromford cab and bunker. I relettered it with the number on the tank side and a late crest, only to find a picture of it on the Darlington scrap line with early crest and the number on the bunker. RT Models do a detailing kit for the Farish J94 in N. They also do a Lambton Cab kit in OO for it - which is a little s@@ to bend but looks brilliant once done. I don't know it they also do the cab in N. Note that the preserved Lambton cab loco had the bunker rebuilt back to standard by the Strathspey Railway and when the round cab was restored the modifications to the bunker weren't, meaning it wouldn't fit through the tunnel to Lambton Staithes in its present condition... Les Edited December 11, 2018 by Les1952 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 Yes he does. http://www.rtmodels.co.uk/rt_models_009.htm If you want one be quick as Robert is closing down for a while for a bit of a rest. http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/32375-rt-models/page-25&do=findComment&comment=3395510 Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poor Old Bruce Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 (edited) Oh, at last! Someone else who doesn't call them all by J94! Well done sir! Welcome to the lofty perch of pedantry! I used to call them all J94s until I got castigated (is that the right word?) for so doing at Foxfield one day. https://www.rcts.org.uk/features/archive/search.htm?company=&subtype=0&class=&location=&srch=&page=119 gives a lot of pics of BR ones. It also states which ones had oval buffers for the Cromford and High Peak. That still didn't stop me dropping a clanger with an original Dapol J94 which was 68034 with a Cromford cab and bunker. I relettered it with the number on the tank side and a late crest, only to find a picture of it on the Darlington scrap line with early crest and the number on the bunker. Just had a quick browse through some of those pics and spotted the pic of 68063 at Bidston in 1954 fitted with oval buffers before any got anywhere near the C&HPR. Edited December 14, 2018 by Poor Old Bruce Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmorgan_cym Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 I maybe being dense here, but wouldn't the LMR one be a good bet? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les1952 Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 I maybe being dense here, but wouldn't the LMR one be a good bet? Does the LMR one have the extra pipework along the footplate and the nameplate standing off the footplate? These were standard modifications made by the WD themselves. Les Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 I maybe being dense here, but wouldn't the LMR one be a good bet? It's as preserved I believe. But also worth considering that it wasn't built until 1953 as part of a batch of ten for the WD. So I think there are differences from the earlier batches. Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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