RMweb Gold Harlequin Posted November 12, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 12, 2019 (edited) See gwr.org.uk for updated info about GWR Locomotive Green and some of the factors that affected it's appearance over the years: http://www.gwr.org.uk/liverieslococolour.html The colour obviously has some variability but an average cleanish GWR loco should be within a reasonably well-defined region. (I say “average cleanish” because most people wouldn't want a model with a non-average colour and clearly the model is meant to look clean.) After factoring out lighting conditions, the colour reproduction of the image and any effects of scale (which is debatable) the question is, does the new model's colour look right within that average range of possible colours? At the moment, we can't really tell - but it does look suspiciously like it's on the outer edges of the possible colour range. Edited November 12, 2019 by Harlequin 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted November 18, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 18, 2019 On 26/04/2019 at 19:26, Hilux5972 said: An image from The Prairie Papers No.1 shows an almost identical view of No.4154 and in the same livery. Only mistake I can see is the tall safety valve bonnet when it should be short. Looks pretty spot on apart from that! Were short safety valves fitted across the class as I'm looking at possible renumbers when released and Alan Gibson does the short version as a casting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted November 18, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 18, 2019 2 hours ago, gwrrob said: Were short safety valves fitted across the class as I'm looking at possible renumbers when released and Alan Gibson does the short version as a casting. I'm fairly sure (without checking) that all the 4101s had the shorter safety valve cover (including those numbering in the 51XX series. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 Here's 5192 virtually as new with short cover. https://www.warwickshirerailways.com/gwr/gwrls204.htm Jason 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach bogie Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 Just to mess things up, here is 5165 at Swindon in 1958 with a tall safety valve. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PHOTO-GWR-CLASS-51XX-LOCO-NO-5165-AT-SWINDON-DUMP-1958/192955225243?hash=item2ced07149b:g:dAsAAOSwP41dCQF5 Mike Wiltshire 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted November 19, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 19, 2019 Still in pre-June 1948 unlined green BR livery with Egyptian Serif lettering. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 10 years seems an unusually long time for a large Prairie without a repaint. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted November 19, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 19, 2019 (edited) 23 hours ago, Miss Prism said: 10 years seems an unusually long time for a large Prairie without a repaint. Perhaps, but it wasn't unknown for some locos to be left out-of-use behind the shed for stand-by purposes, for a few years before being officially withdrawn. Others were regarded as below par performers and little-used, and on undemanding duties when they were. The short period between 5165's arrival at Horton Road and its withdrawal possibly suggests it wasn't up to much on arrival. John Edited November 20, 2019 by Dunsignalling Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted November 19, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 19, 2019 And the “authentication “ of this date ? Caution here.It may or may not be correct.We have no way of knowing.It was,as has been posted many times,not unusual for BR(W) engines to be seen still in somewhat “earlier” style even until withdrawal. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted November 19, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Miss Prism said: 10 years seems an unusually long time for a large Prairie without a repaint. That implies 10 years without a general overhaul which seems bit unusual. 5165 was withdrawn in February 1958 so the date could be correct although I don't recognise the view as actually being on Swindon dump although it could well be at Swindon. Some of the 51XX series appear to have been built with tall safety valve covers if published photos are any guide with the lower cov er appearing sometime in the 1930s. I suppose the $64,000 question is how many of the tall covers survived once the shorter type had become the standard - only accurately dated photos are likely to answer that question. And that's before we even think about boiler swaps. 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 The same photo is in GWR Locomotives To Scale by Ian Beattie. Photographer Frank Hornby. And in the RCTS photo archive. https://rcts.zenfolio.com/steam-gwr/5101-class-2-6-2t/hC79F1073#hc79f1073 That would imply to me it's correct. Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted November 19, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 19, 2019 The only clues to the location are the factory buildings in the background and the stack of whatever is being stacked between that and the loco, and it is possible that the rake of what look like ex-works steel minerals might help as well, but I'm not sufficiently conversant with the scene at the more obscure parts of the Swindon complex to say. From the look of the loco I'd say it's probably withdrawn; tyre surfaces and buffer shanks are already rusting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 I don't know Swindon, but that DANGER LIVE WIRES sign is very familiar. Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted November 19, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 19, 2019 5165 spent it's BR career from Jan 48 at Stourbridge before being transferred* to Horton Road 10/08/57 then withdrawn Feb 58 * BR Database info. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach bogie Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 4 hours ago, Steamport Southport said: The same photo is in GWR Locomotives To Scale by Ian Beattie. Photographer Frank Hornby. And in the RCTS photo archive. https://rcts.zenfolio.com/steam-gwr/5101-class-2-6-2t/hC79F1073#hc79f1073 That would imply to me it's correct. Jason That link also has another view of 5165 taken at Snow Hill in June 1957, with the tall cover https://rcts.zenfolio.com/steam-gwr/5101-class-2-6-2t/hC79F1073#ha0f85033 Mike Wiltshire 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamespetts Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 Decorated samples at Warley: Hornby prairie tank by James Petts, on Flickr Hornby prairie tank by James Petts, on Flickr Hornby prairie tank by James Petts, on Flickr 1 10 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted November 23, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 23, 2019 24 minutes ago, jamespetts said: Decorated samples at Warley: Hornby prairie tank by James Petts, on Flickr Hornby prairie tank by James Petts, on Flickr Hornby prairie tank by James Petts, on Flickr Due Jan 2020 according to the card along side. 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted November 24, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 24, 2019 (edited) Fine looking model that captures the prototype well; I always found the large prairies to be very handsome locos. Hadn't noticed the pipework behind the cab steps before; excellent touch! And with the Baccy 94xx apparently delayed until September, I might be tempted... Edited November 24, 2019 by The Johnster Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Neal Ball Posted November 24, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 24, 2019 (edited) Lovely photo @jamespetts it was all a bit of a scrum when I went on the Hornby stand. I also thought the lighting of the few models in the cabinets to be very poor. (They weren’t lit). Edited November 24, 2019 by Neal Ball 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Stannard Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 (edited) I would really like to see an example in the flesh to gauge the colour as the green still has a little bit too much of an olive tinge to it compared to the Post 1928 Locomotive Green that it would be wearing, it may be due to the lighting in the cabinet. Edited November 24, 2019 by David Stannard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenL Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 12 hours ago, jamespetts said: Decorated samples at Warley: Hornby prairie tank by James Petts, on Flickr Hornby prairie tank by James Petts, on Flickr Hornby prairie tank by James Petts, on Flickr Thanks for the photos, it is looking the part. Not a huge issue but shouldn't the water filler cap and tank vent pipe be black? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vacuum Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 Is it just me or do these photos show that this model also suffers from running plate distortion? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted November 24, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 24, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Vacuum said: Is it just me or do these photos show that this model also suffers from running plate distortion? I reckon the running plate is fine, but I can almost convince myself that there is a rise in it beneath the tank in the top photo and that the tank front is sloping forward in the middle photo. It's the sort of thing that gets harder to be objective about the longer you look at it, and might be an effect of the camera lens if it is a wide angle one or even of the display case glass; that is, if it exists at all and is not my febrile mind reacting to your suggestion. I've just put a straight edge over the monitor, which is flat screen, and found no discernible evidence of a rise. The running plate is dead straight from the top of the front curve to the rear of the cab steps. But I'll never be completely convinced now... Edited November 24, 2019 by The Johnster Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 4 hours ago, BenL said: Not a huge issue but shouldn't the water filler cap and tank vent pipe be black? Yes 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted November 24, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 24, 2019 14 hours ago, The Johnster said: Fine looking model that captures the prototype well; I always found the large prairies to be very handsome locos. Hadn't noticed the pipework behind the cab steps before; excellent touch! And with the Baccy 94xx apparently delayed until September, I might be tempted... I heard a whisper (but not from them) that the Bachmann 94XX might not be as late as September next year. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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