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Having also looked at GWR.org. I wonder if the answer to the crew situation would be to remove the half open door and place crew in the doorway, as per one of the photos.....

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45 minutes ago, Neal Ball said:

Having also looked at GWR.org. I wonder if the answer to the crew situation would be to remove the half open door and place crew in the doorway, as per one of the photos.....

A good thought Neal. Perhaps cut the door off, put the crew in in then fix the door back in the closed position? We'll see...

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Must admit I'd never really thought about the fireiron issue before, and it's interesting that prairies did not have the usual 3 or 4 fireiron curly bracket things on the rear face of the bunker, whereas all panniers do. GWR standardisation strikes again...  ahem

 

Whether stashed on top of prairie tanks or on the back of pannier bunkers, ready access to fireirons would seem to be difficult in either case, so I guess some form of in-cab stowage was also present on panniers.

 

There is of course ad hoc stowage as well.

 

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2 hours ago, St Enodoc said:

A good thought Neal. Perhaps cut the door off, put the crew in in then fix the door back in the closed position? We'll see...

That is what I have done - driver only at the moment - I may assume the fireman is head down somewhere looking for fire irons!

 

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2 hours ago, Miss Prism said:

Must admit I'd never really thought about the fireiron issue before, and it's interesting that prairies did not have the usual 3 or 4 fireiron curly bracket things on the rear face of the bunker, whereas all panniers do. GWR standardisation strikes again...  ahem

 

Whether stashed on top of prairie tanks or on the back of pannier bunkers, ready access to fireirons would seem to be difficult in either case, so I guess some form of in-cab stowage was also present on panniers.

 

There is of course ad hoc stowage as well.

 

Brian's photo (linked on. an earlier post) shows only the short 'pricker' (also known as the short bar) in the cab and out in service it should really have been all that was needed.  It was possibly a bit shorter than ideal for its intended task but equally it was obviously all that could be accommodated manoeuvred in the cab while working a train.  However sometimes putting the bar in (the fire) could create more trouble than the Fireman was trying to solve when the fire was clinkering.

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12 hours ago, Miss Prism said:

Must admit I'd never really thought about the fireiron issue before, and it's interesting that prairies did not have the usual 3 or 4 fireiron curly bracket things on the rear face of the bunker, whereas all panniers do. GWR standardisation strikes again...  ahem

 

Whether stashed on top of prairie tanks or on the back of pannier bunkers, ready access to fireirons would seem to be difficult in either case, so I guess some form of in-cab stowage was also present on panniers.

 

There is of course ad hoc stowage as well.

 


On some locos, possibly BR standard 4mt?, I believe that the front windows open, and access to items stowed on the tank tops could be via the windows?

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12 hours ago, Sarahagain said:


On some locos, possibly BR standard 4mt?, I believe that the front windows open, and access to items stowed on the tank tops could be via the windows?

LSWR/SR M7s had such spectacles, and I think at least some of the Hornby ones are modelled with them in the open position.

 

The real issue with fire-irons on larger tank locos is that the fireboxes are as long as those on tender locos of corresponding size and similar design, but having a back to the cab limits the clearance required to "swing" tools of the necessary length. One reason for the provision of the "cupboard doors" over the bunker on GW Prairies, 2-8-0Ts etc.

 

John

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Having had fun paddling out the fire on a GWR 5700 Pannier Tank I can vouch for the limited area to swing the hot stuff around and out of the door hole!

 

Oh the fun we had... ;) those were the days...:rolleyes:

 

And to think, I really wanted to work in a Signal Box at the time....

 

 

 

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I doubt these locos, probably Rails’ final stock after knocking them out at an already good price for a few weeks, will ever be cheaper new, and probably not much cheaper second hand for one in good condition and running with the box, which is a bit frustrating as there’s no way I can take advantage of the offer without compromising funds for my long-awaited Bachmann 94xx, on order from Rails at £106.  I’ve already caned it a bit this month with spending which included an eBay Hornby improved tooling Airfix-type body for my latest donated Airfix chassis, a very good runner, for Trigger’s Broom, my current 5101 which has been on the go since about 1985, my ‘oldest’ loco... 

 

There is no chance of Rails having stock of these for long, and Trigger’s Broom will have to do for some time yet.  AAAAAAAAAARRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!

 

And, scene; glad I’ve got that off m’chest!

 

To be a bit more serious, while it might be of some benefit to those who can pounce on deals like this (not moaning, this is the way of the world and you can’t win ‘em all; I’ve never paid full price for a brand new loco since returning to the hobby 4 years ago and have done pretty well overall), disputes between major manufacturers and major retailers are not good for the hobby any more than poor financial performances from one major manufacturer and continental drift lead times from another are.  One hopes that the spat is resolved and normal service resumed soon, but don’t hold your breath!

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1 hour ago, tomparryharry said:

Thanks to Mike & Keith for highlighting he discount. I've ordered one today.

 

Cheers,

Ian.

 

Thank's to Mike for the heads up.

Mine arrived today, haven't yet unpacked it.

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On 16/10/2020 at 22:07, lofty1966 said:

Persuaded the G/F to treat me to one for Crimble!

Keeper.

 

5 hours ago, tomparryharry said:

Thanks to Mike & Keith for highlighting he discount. I've ordered one today.

 

Cheers,

Ian.

You are more than welcome to give it a test run at Cwmdimbath, Ian, when the lockdown is eased.  

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On 09/10/2020 at 21:59, Sarahagain said:

Having had fun paddling out the fire on a GWR 5700 Pannier Tank I can vouch for the limited area to swing the hot stuff around and out of the door hole!

 

Oh the fun we had... ;) those were the days...:rolleyes:

 

And to think, I really wanted to work in a Signal Box at the time....

 

 

 

Try cleaning or chucking out a fire on a Terrier , a 57xx is so spacious 

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On 25/10/2020 at 19:04, Great Eastern Lady said:

Try cleaning or chucking out a fire on a Terrier , a 57xx is so spacious 

 

Strangely enough, I didn't mind  firing to Terriers. Keeping away from the blessed Westinghouse was the main thing! 

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A short running session featuring the superb Hornby Collett 5101 Class 'Large Prairie' 2-6-2T, edited with real sound. 
Sounds are provided by a number of similar class members from my sound collection, captured at various Gala and Preserved Railways over the past few years.
Here we see No. 4154 finished in smart GWR Green livery in action, hauling a short rake of GWR clerestory coaches.
Hope you enjoy!

 

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11 hours ago, atom3624 said:

Lovely layout.

Synch seems slightly out - 4.5 'chuffs' per revolution more or less but great effort.

 

Thanks for sharing and looks fantastic.

 

Al.

Yeah, spotted that after uploading. Was a bit of rush to get this one done on a busy evening, will have to give it another go at some point

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2 hours ago, County of Yorkshire said:

Is anyone please able to comment as to whether the 41xx and the 61xx models have any detail differences? For example safety valve bonnets, whistle shields, bunker fenders; that sort of thing?

 

Thank you in anticipation.

 

CoY


Ive not had any GW through yet, however the bunker steps on 41/51/61 on the fireman’s side are extant on the BR liveries, and (correctly), not on the GWR livery models. 
 

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