apollanaut Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 On 18/02/2020 at 08:14, robmcg said: I have just bought R3709 but with storms and delivery to NZ I can but live in hope. You and me both, Rob! I have both R3709X and R3711X on pre-order, and I don’t think I have been so excited about a new Hornby release in a long time. Assuming they arrive intact(!), the photos of Princess Elizabeth on the Rails website and the extra effort Hornby have put into developing this model bode well for something rather special. As does the improvements Hornby made over time to their previous large LMS express racehorse, the Princess Coronations (both streamlined and unadorned). I own two of each, but it is the later releases that impress me the most. My birthday is a few days before Christmas and I was lucky enough to receive the re-released R3555 unstreamlined Sir William Stanier F.R.S. in 2018 and the streamlined R3639 King George VI in 2019. Both are now the pride of my fleet, with performance to match their good looks. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buhar Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 6 hours ago, Pete the Elaner said: Better off than on because it is easier to add than remove. Where might suitable bits be found? Alan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted February 18, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 18, 2020 Yes.It now is an accurate representation of a Princess Royal. An Edge Hill favourite for The Merseyside Express. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 6 hours ago, Pre Grouping fan said: It will be interesting to see Hornby's version of firebox flicker. On the rails of Sheffield website they have an image of the cab interior where you can just about see the LED's. Could you advise where that image is on the website please? Cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pre Grouping fan Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 8 hours ago, robmcg said: Could you advise where that image is on the website please? Cheers If you flick through the images on the page for the model of 6201 its about 8 along Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete the Elaner Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 9 hours ago, Buhar said: Where might suitable bits be found? Alan It is not something I have ever shopped for, but you can buy chimneys & domes so why not a vac pump? If nobody already makes one, then it sounds ideal for a 3d print. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 1 hour ago, Pre Grouping fan said: If you flick through the images on the page for the model of 6201 its about 8 along Can you post a link to the images page please? All I can reach is the 'buying' page ... https://railsofsheffield.com/products/37407/Hornby-r3709-oo-gauge-princess-elizabeth-lms-princess-royal-class-4-6-2-steam-locomotive-no-6201 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
truffy Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, jacko said: Can you post a link to the images page please? All I can reach is the 'buying' page ... https://railsofsheffield.com/products/37407/Hornby-r3709-oo-gauge-princess-elizabeth-lms-princess-royal-class-4-6-2-steam-locomotive-no-6201 You have to click the right 'arrow' to progress through the image gallery. The eighth is this: Which expands to this: Edited February 19, 2020 by truffy additional picture 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 (edited) Hmm. Something's going wrong on my PC. I don't get the arrows (or hands) in either Chrome or IE. edit. sorted - I can 'swipe' left and right with my mouse. bl**dy technology. Edited February 19, 2020 by jacko Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwich station Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 Hatton's have informed me that mine is on it's way. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maico Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 (edited) If you fitted the rear flange wheelset what would be the minimum curve radius it could handle, or are they for display only? Edited February 19, 2020 by maico Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 (edited) 11 hours ago, truffy said: You have to click the right 'arrow' to progress through the image gallery. The eighth is this: Which expands to this: Thankyou Truffy, with Chrome there are no arrows, no clues as to a gallery, but it works fine with left or right click and swipe. What a very nice set of images! I have one on the way. Cheers I think this is the nicest, thankyou Hornby and Rails... p.s. no idea of minimum radius with flanged rear truck but 3-feet plus is my guess. Edited February 19, 2020 by robmcg 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
atom3624 Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 I think Hornby have missed a trick. Bachmann have it sorted, with flanged pony wheels being on a 'floating' wheelset. I would guess that the tightest diameter with flanged wheels is on a piece of flexitrack - as it arrives from the distributor! Al. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted February 20, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 20, 2020 6201 is of course a canny buy.It can find use both in its LMS pre 1948 era and in its present day reincarnation at the head of a steam hauled special. An excellent choice for Hornby I think.Judging from Rails excellent images,it scores particularly well for me in the area of cab and firebox and representation of smokebox number which seems rendered in typical LMS style script. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold MikeParkin65 Posted February 20, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 20, 2020 16 hours ago, maico said: If you fitted the rear flange wheelset what would be the minimum curve radius it could handle, or are they for display only? With the Duchess (which employs the same arrangement) there is virtually no play at all with the flanged pony fitted - I very much doubt it will run properly at all (remember this is a static trailing bogie with no vertical compensation either). On the plus side I have found that cab swing can be effectively controlled by close coupling the tender as far as you are able. I make my own tender couplings using nothing more complicated than black plastic (the tops of microwave soup pots are ideal!), a belt hole punch, a steel rule and sharp knife. The Hornby close coupling is too tight for a layout but you dont need a much larger gap for 30'' minimum curves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maico Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 (edited) I only have a couple of steamers, an old Wrenn city of Glasgow with articulated trailing bogie and this nice Trix German P10. It seems almost universal to have swinging flanged wheels, or side movement apart from some Hornby models? Edited February 20, 2020 by maico 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maico Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 (edited) Some underside pics of a long Brawa streamliner, Roco and Fleischmann (advertised on ebay) Edited February 20, 2020 by maico 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 It is very hard to fit swinging rear trucks to Stanier 4-6-2s and other British steam locos so they can negotiate 17" radius set track without quite obvious compromises to detail. Some have done it by cutting and various skills but I'm not sure what radius they design for. Not sure but I suspect that the European prototypes have more space for a swinging truck. I personally have no problem with the fixed trucks and flangeless wheels used by Hornby, and the Bachmann answer with a lateral-moving rear axle isn't bad but I think means possible compromises in axle box depth and so on. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maico Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 (edited) Brunellrosso spinning layout has constant R2 curves. It gives a good indication of the articulation required for Ho scale. He has posted hundreds of videos in the last 10 years on youtube. https://www.youtube.com/user/brunellorosso/videos The Fleischmann BR 03 streamliner has fixed skirting and has no problems. The panels might of been wider than scale Edited February 20, 2020 by maico Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maico Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 The Brawa, on the other hand, needs the front lower valances removed. The rear bogie is free to swing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 (edited) 45 minutes ago, maico said: Brunellrosso spinning layout has constant R2 curves. It gives a good indication of the articulation required for Ho scale. He has posted hundreds of videos in the last 10 years on youtube. https://www.youtube.com/user/brunellorosso/videos The Fleischmann BR 03 streamliner has fixed skirting and has no problems. The panels might of been wider than scale The loading gauge size and width of the streamlined 03 leaves room for a swinging truck on type 2 curves. Edit, in any case British and other large engines require a fair bit of acceptance of unrealistic appearances on sharp curves, it depends largely on what you are comfortable with. I am not quite sure what point you are trying to make. Cheers Edited February 20, 2020 by robmcg 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maico Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 (edited) Sam's trains did a comparison video of the current and old version of the Coronation. On balance, and it might be a minority view, I think the old inaccurate swinging truck is ok ! Edited February 20, 2020 by maico 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 Fair point, each model has its virtues and shortcomings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwich station Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 11 hours ago, maico said: Sam's trains did a comparison video of the current and old version of the Coronation. On balance, and it might be a minority view, I think the old inaccurate swinging truck is ok ! I've said this before that the streamliners look ok with the swinging truck, whereas the non streamliners and Princes's look better with the fixed truck. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brocp Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, sandwich station said: I've said this before that the streamliners look ok with the swinging truck, whereas the non streamliners and Princes's look better with the fixed truck. Personally think they all look better with the fixed truck. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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