Black 5 Bear Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, RCAR6015 said: https://modelmaster.uk/4mm-46200-46212-princess-royal-4-6-2/4410-46207-princess-arthur-of-connaught.htmlCan I seek members advise? A few months ago I purchased the R3713 - Princess Arthur of Connaught. I would like to fit etched brass nameplates, can anyone who has fitted brass plates suggest a suitable supplier or which make may be the best fit to cover the existing one. Many thanks! Take a look at posting 1060 on this thread from Mikeparkin65. I think Mike stated that printed nameplates on the model are over scale. This could cause a potential problem sourcing an aftermarket replacement. Modelmaster Jackson Evans would be good first port of call. Hope this assists.... https://modelmaster.uk/4mm-46200-46212-princess-royal-4-6-2/4410-46207-princess-arthur-of-connaught.html Edited December 3, 2020 by Black 5 Bear Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCAR6015 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 My sincere thanks to - Black 5 Bear - for taking the time to investigate and reply to my enquiry. Such a shame, as etched plates would have been the " icing on the cake " 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwich station Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 6 hours ago, Black 5 Bear said: Take a look at posting 1060 on this thread from Mikeparkin65. How can you tell the post numbers? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozzer models Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 247 developments one are scale size Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold MikeParkin65 Posted December 3, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 3, 2020 7 hours ago, Black 5 Bear said: Take a look at posting 1060 on this thread from Mikeparkin65. I think Mike stated that printed nameplates on the model are over scale. This could cause a potential problem sourcing an aftermarket replacement. Modelmaster Jackson Evans would be good first port of call. Hope this assists.... https://modelmaster.uk/4mm-46200-46212-princess-royal-4-6-2/4410-46207-princess-arthur-of-connaught.html It is the Modelmaster plates I have that are smaller (and look close to scale to my eye) but won’t cover the larger Hornby printed plates. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black 5 Bear Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 57 minutes ago, sandwich station said: How can you tell the post numbers? I don't know how I've done it, but it appears I've cut and paste the number of posts Mike has posted rather than the date of the posting relating to Princess class nameplates. Apologies to all concerned and for any confusion caused. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 Why do you need to cover the printed plates? Just remove the Hornby plate and stick the etched one on. The real ones are just bolted to the splasher via brackets. Obviously it didn't have the crown. Photo from Wiki. Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Barry Ten Posted December 4, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 4, 2020 Not sure how they've done it with the Princess, but some of the Hornby's locos have the plate integral with the front of the splasher, which makes removing it a bit of a pain. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruffnut Thorston Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 In these cases, the front of the splasher, complete with nameplate, is a separate moulding, with locating pegs. This may, or may not, be glued in place.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted December 5, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 5, 2020 On 04/12/2020 at 04:40, RCAR6015 said: Can I seek members advise? A few months ago I purchased the R3713 - Princess Arthur of Connaught. I would like to fit etched brass nameplates, can anyone who has fitted brass plates suggest a suitable supplier or which make may be the best fit to cover the existing one. Many thanks! https://fox-transfers.co.uk/etched-plates/46207-princess-arthur-of-connaught Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 (edited) Kings Cross, PC Models, CGW and LFC also did them..... Worth looking in bargain bins in model shops and exhibitions when they start again. Edited December 6, 2020 by Steamport Southport Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
60800 Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 Would someone be able to elaborate on the differences between this year's Crimson Lake release of 6201 and how she is preserved please? Cheers, 60800 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnd Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 Whilst the Princess is being mentioned my DCC fitted 6201 seems to have the Firebox glow LED illuminated all the time. Is this normal or is there a Function that enables it to be switched on/off ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brocp Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 1 hour ago, 60800 said: Would someone be able to elaborate on the differences between this year's Crimson Lake release of 6201 and how she is preserved please? Cheers, 60800 Main difference is the boiler. Other things like certain post preservation fittings, AWS. She has gold shaded red transfers now and the model has the yellow shaded ones. There's definitely more but it terms of overall appearance, these are the big visual ones. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free At Last Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 7 minutes ago, johnd said: Whilst the Princess is being mentioned my DCC fitted 6201 seems to have the Firebox glow LED illuminated all the time. Is this normal or is there a Function that enables it to be switched on/off ? Having the decoder in the tender and there being only four wires connecting loco to tender I would assume that the firebox glow is not wired to a function. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
60800 Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Brocp said: Hi Brocp, Thanks for the info - looking at product images and photos of the loco I am genuinely struggling to see any differences in the boiler. Are you able to give me some visual cues please as to the external differences? Thanks, 60800 Edit: Ah, my bad - I see the firebox is longer in pres. Edited December 11, 2020 by 60800 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold MikeParkin65 Posted December 11, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 11, 2020 2 hours ago, 60800 said: Hi Brocp, Thanks for the info - looking at product images and photos of the loco I am genuinely struggling to see any differences in the boiler. Are you able to give me some visual cues please as to the external differences? Thanks, 60800 Edit: Ah, my bad - I see the firebox is longer in pres. Top feed pipes (raised as modelled, flush with cladding now) length of firebox - evident if you count the washout plugs - 7 as modelled, 8 now. Various post preservation modifications including an air pump ahead of the L/H cylinder. There will be more but these are the standouts I think. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
60800 Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 1 hour ago, MikeParkin65 said: Top feed pipes (raised as modelled, flush with cladding now) length of firebox - evident if you count the washout plugs - 7 as modelled, 8 now. Various post preservation modifications including an air pump ahead of the L/H cylinder. There will be more but these are the standouts I think. Thanks I've used @Brocp's original advice back in February that 46207 is correct to do 46203 so have eventually gone ahead and bought one of those instead, so that is one of two survivors sorted. Due to her motion it looks like I won't be getting a 6201 until they do a preservation era version of her. Cheers, 60800 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
60800 Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 Well, 46207 has arrived and 46207 is being boxed up and is going straight back! A myriad of issues really. There are lots of areas with missing or glossy paint and a nice lump of varnish on the bufferbeam. The valve gear and cylinders do not meet the running plate at all and the front running plate is quite simply a ski jump. Looking back at pre-production photos and most I can find online this is a common issue. To add insult to injury the bufferbeam isn't even level and if I were to be able to straighten the running plate out, I would have to remove the buffers as they would point down. What a joke. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 Not obvious in your photos. A slight ski jump in the front is common, the cylinders and valve gear look about right to me. The photos don't show blemishes or varnish errors. Forgive me, I've looked closely at your photos , as large as they will go, and the model looks superb to me. Perhaps I am blind. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold farren Posted December 16, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 16, 2020 No can’t see what you talking about. From the photos that is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
60800 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 (edited) Hi guys, Thanks for your replies, it is difficult to tell from photos. I ended up taking the loco back out of the box and having another look at it. The paint issues were a varnish blob on the bufferbeam, missing paint on the handrails and a slightly glossy area on the LH boilerside. I decided to rectify these and see where I could take it further. The cylinders and valve gear were being pushed down by ejector pin and glue marks on the underside of the running boards. Easy fix there. Main issue was the ski jump - as can be seen in the photo with 46229 the top of the buffer head sat well clear of the top of Hamilton's bufferbeam. On investigation there were four causes - the useless little silicone washer, thick paint on the chassis, casting seams on the chassis and a badly fitted screw lug on the body. Essentially one thing to bin and three to attack with files. With this done, 46207's buffers now sit about 1mm higher than Hamilton's, rather than the 2.5mm they did before. I think I can live with that haha, but there's still more I can do to pull the front even lower. The bar connecting the cylinders on the Princess is very flimsy and I worry that if I put it under any more pressure to pull the cylinders square (they lean inwards slightly) that I might snap it. Cheers, 60800 Edited December 17, 2020 by 60800 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brocp Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 I've said it before but the first batch have a lot of issues. My Princess Elizabeth has the same fate regarding the sky jump front end and the cylinders hanging too low. Thanks for your write up on how you tackled the issues, that'll come in handy. And I don't care what anyone says bit those smoke deflectors on these new Duchesses are wrong, like the DJH ones they aren't tall enough and detract from the face of the loco. At least Comet make the right sized deflectors. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
60800 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 For me I find that with Stanier Pacifics it doesn't matter how good the rest of the loco is - if the 'face' is off the model is ruined. Both The Lizzies and Coronations have stocky front ends and the new Hornby models of these miss that stocky look on both counts. For the Lizzies it's obviously the ski jump that spoils them for me, but it is fixable. For Hamilton up until now I wasn't sure what was wrong, but I do have a set of Comet deflectors from a stalled 46235 build (upgrading the old tool as I don't need to spend £200 on a static model), so @Brocp I'll dig them out and offer them up to Hamilton and see how they look. Now that I'm happy-ish with the current state of 46207 it's being shuffled away for my birthday in Feb, so I'll fine tweak it and renumber it to 46203 when I properly have my hands on it. In the meantime I have a 46232 on the way to turn into Sutherland and I may have a look at the deflectors on this too, but will post that in the Coronation thread. Cheers, 60800. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold MikeParkin65 Posted December 17, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 17, 2020 My 46207 face to face with 46229. Both as bought apart from Comet bogies and Gibson bogie wheels. The buffers are pretty much the same height and 46207 has a straight running plate. Agree the gap between cylinder and running plate could be tighter and it is true that the cylinder molding does sit a little awk wardly on the chassis block. Also agree about the Princess Coronation smoke deflectors lacking the presence of the real thing. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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