boody227 Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 Peckett mardy monster is actually class OQ not Q6. Luke Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold tomparryharry Posted February 5, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 5, 2019 50 minutes ago, boody227 said: Peckett mardy monster is actually class OQ not Q6. Luke Yes, you're absolutely right. Back of the class for me! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 18 hours ago, adb968008 said: ...if industrials are niche, you’d expect it to be the domain of the commissioners, but instead the big boy is making the little ones, where as the new comers are making the bigger models. Industrials are niche - at present anyway, but not necessarily forever, for all things are in flux - and that suggests the explanation for why the big boy has jumped in to such effect. It has the capability to take risks that a smaller competitor cannot contemplate. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 I don't think they are that niche. There are loads in preservation and certain types could be found all over the country. They are relatively small and cheap, you can do a shunting plank or leave them in a siding on a goods yard. 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 Quite possibly in goods train too. They had to be delivered, and sent off for scrap if not chopped up on the spot. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold tomparryharry Posted February 6, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 6, 2019 Sorry folks, are we talking models, or the real thing? Cheers, Ian. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted February 6, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 6, 2019 1 hour ago, tomparryharry said: Sorry folks, are we talking models, or the real thing? Cheers, Ian. Are we not modelling the real thing ? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold tomparryharry Posted February 6, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 6, 2019 1 hour ago, adb968008 said: Are we not modelling the real thing ? I couldn't possibly comment! 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 4 hours ago, JSpencer said: I don't think they are that niche. There are loads in preservation and certain types could be found all over the country. They are relatively small and cheap, you can do a shunting plank or leave them in a siding on a goods yard. Industrials are very much niche. If they weren't then how can you justify the fact that many of them have Mickey Mouse liveries such as Thomas The Tank Engine or fake Railway Company/BR liveries. Trust me, most people, including enthusiasts, aren't interested in them unfortunately. Just listen to the audible moans when an industrial locomotive turns up at a heritage railway rather than an ex BR locomotive. Industrial diesels get it even worse. If it's not fake BR livery then as soon as a failure occurs it's meet Gertie Gas Axe. Jason 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted February 6, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 6, 2019 2 hours ago, Steamport Southport said: Gertie Gas Axe. Have you got a catalog number for that ? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 On 06/02/2019 at 12:42, tomparryharry said: Sorry folks, are we talking models, or the real thing?... It is another operational aspect to model. If there really were 20,000 of these tiddlers in service, they must have been on view out on the network on occasions, so no need for an industrial siding or three, stick them in freight train. Means that you can justify more than one 'passing through'. I would welcome any expert knowledge of such possibilities, too young to have seen industrial steamers delivered. (I have an all new and shiny BR green 350 hp shunter specifically to replicate their inclusion in freights when being delivered from the works. Actually seen that operation.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Barry O Posted February 11, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 11, 2019 5 minutes ago, 34theletterbetweenB&D said: It is another operational aspect to model. If there really were 20,000 of these tiddlers in service, they must have been on view out on the network on occasions, so no need for an industrial siding or three, stick them in freight train. Means that you can justify more than one 'passing through'. I would welcome any expert knowledge of such possibilities, too young to have seen industrial steamers delivered. (I have an all new and shiny BR green 350 hp shunter specifically to replicate their inclusion in freights when being delivered from the works. Actually seen that operation.) Take the connecting rods off if you want it to travel in a main line train. The one which went to Bagnall for refurbishment went by lorry. Better to have some industrial sidings..and you need a few to get a real one to work enough to pay for itself Baz 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium phil-b259 Posted February 11, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 11, 2019 4 minutes ago, 34theletterbetweenB&D said: It is another operational aspect to model. If there really were 20,000 of these tiddlers in service, they must have been on view out on the network on occasions, so no need for an industrial siding or three, stick them in freight train. Means that you can justify more than one 'passing through'. I would welcome any expert knowledge of such possibilities, too young to have seen industrial steamers delivered. (I have an all new and shiny BR green 350 hp shunter specifically to replicate their inclusion in freights when being delivered from the works. Actually seen that operation.) Only thing is that to prevent damage, said locos were towed with some or all of the motion removed! This means some dismantling is needed of the Hornby model before such transit moves can be modelled. This is because steam locomotive cylinders don't stay in good condition for very long without lubrication - which can only be provided when the loco is in steam (Hence Camelot being in steam while being hauled from the Bluebell to the West Somerset via the mainline even though she is not mainline certified*). With small diesel locos designed for shunting, the gearboxes need to be disengaged or you will knacker them and the traction motors with prolonged speeds grater than 20mph or so. * She has a TOPS number and the wheels / axles had to be ultrasonicly tested for the move though. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold tomparryharry Posted February 11, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 11, 2019 19 minutes ago, 34theletterbetweenB&D said: It is another operational aspect to model. If there really were 20,000 of these tiddlers in service, they must have been on view out on the network on occasions, so no need for an industrial siding or three, stick them in freight train. Means that you can justify more than one 'passing through'. I would welcome any expert knowledge of such possibilities, too young to have seen industrial steamers delivered. (I have an all new and shiny BR green 350 hp shunter specifically to replicate their inclusion in freights when being delivered from the works. Actually seen that operation.) The 'tiddler' aspect is often misquoted. There was indeed about 20,000 'tiddlers' around the UK. Some were miniscule; Some were large enough to handle a 600-ton train. The Andrew Barclays at Blaenavon were all BR registered, so they could take over said train, and pilot the 42xx's for the last 3 miles on an incline of 1-in 30..... Whatever your opinion, they weren't to be ridiculed! The short wheelbase of a smaller locomotive has a distinct advantage over its larger brethren. They could get into and around tighter track formations than a 6-wheel loco could, and being that much smaller, were cheaper to operate. If they weren't successful, they wouldn't have made so many. Collieries, foundries, water board sidings, public works, contractors, chemical plants, steelworks, docks, quarries all had their works 'pet' normally bulled to the nines, and kept that way. It's only the onset of nationalised industry that has seen the demise of the works locomotive. I'm awaiting the release of the B2 model. Efail Fach, and Efail Fawr are earmarked as principal players for my (still to be built) industrial layout. happy modelling, Ian. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norton961 Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 If you put an industrial on the main line being moved it would be a relatively short distance. I once saw a Industrial going through Wellington (Salop) on its way to Bagnalls in Stafford for an overhaul but I don’t know where the loco came from. David 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 Not necessarily such a short distance. My modelling area about 20 miles North of Trafalgar square was lacking in nearby industrial loco builders in C20th, yet the products were present in the area, and weren't trucked or flown in... I would love to hear from anyone who knows more about such movements. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold tomparryharry Posted February 11, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 11, 2019 Depending on location, the motion would be taken down, and towed 'dead' to the intended place of work, The manufacturers kept site engineers within their employ, to take this sort of work. In this capacity, they sometimes also acted as insurance inspectors, closely affiliated with the company concerned. Bigger industries also had a full raft of facilities, up to & including major overhaul. It was quite a big industry in supporting the 'tiddlers': as big as any other large commercial concern. One big thing that happened was the delivery of locomotive to the Rhymney Railway, via the Cambrian. Apparently, the Cambrian objected to the much larger Stephenson locomotives being transported over their lightly laid track* From a titchy industrial to a power classified 4F is sometimes only a matter of size & scale.... * Although factual, the facts need checking. Happy modelling, Ian. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 BR never had a problem with industrials working on their lines. At Southport we regularly went over to BR to pick up stock when it had been on display in the mainline station. Preserved diesels weren't allowed though. Worth remembering that the first few locomotives to leave Barry were dragged on the mainline even though they had been in a scrapyard for about ten years. That only stopped in 1976. So movement of non railway company owned locomotives wasn't a problem. Jason 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Corbs Posted February 12, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 12, 2019 In 1981, Henbury worked commercial coal trains on the BHR (at the time BR-owned) and went to Bath Road depot to be turned. Video by Bob Edwardes 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 Of course, a new, high-spec model is an expensive start for a RTR base, but I keep looking wistfully at these. Does anyone know the wheel diameter and wheelbase measurements for these B2s? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted February 13, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 13, 2019 23 hours ago, Steamport Southport said: Preserved diesels weren't allowed though. Jason Although “weren’t allowed” emergency situations have allowed it. i can recall... D5209 collecting a failed railtour (I think 45593) from somewhere close to Skipton D5394 clearing snow at Aviemore in winter 1990 40145 collecting a failed 31 and rolling stock at Hag side near Bury c1989 DL26 as Shunter at Didcot theres probably more. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 Read in the collector magazine that this loco will have a small speaker space in the bunker. Nice one Hornby. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rope runner Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 Hattons seem to think that these will feature some portrayal of the inside valve gear (0.26 on the video) Paul A. 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floreat Industria Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 (edited) I see that the date for the blue Ryhope loco has slipped again to July on the Hornby site, who are now saying it is out of stock, so it looks as if theirs have all been pre-ordered. It looks as if it is a popular loco. Edited April 24, 2019 by Floreat Industria Incorrect information 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hroth Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 There's two rather nice photos of a rather disconsolate looking "Westminster" in store at APCM Shipton-on-Cherwell in this months (May 2019, page 295) issue of Railway Bylines. A point of interest is that it appears to have had dumb buffers fitted over the ordinary gear at the front but from what I can see is conventional at the rear! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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