RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted December 19, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 19, 2019 Thanks Colin, there is a Sentinel on E-bay for £99, I might grab it before someone else does. My army Ruston arrived this morning and will be tested later. I might consider re-numbering it to 807 (Caen) the LMR one and try sourcing nameplates for it. I looked it up in the book on the LMR and it was almost certainly painted green as in all the photographs it is in matt finish and all the LMR blue locomotives were gloss. On the LMR it seems to have spent a lot of time in the air being used for demonstrating the LMR steam crane. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruston Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 (edited) 21 hours ago, coline33 said: Of the ten Ruston 48DS, 803 served at the greatest number of sites - seven including Long Marston. Therefore, these are the numbers for this Hornby set if you replace the Conflat body by a Hornby shunters truck body - all in Army green. The only one of the ten to work at Longmoor was 807 where it was named "Caen" but as to whether it was Army green or Longmoor blue I cannot see whether the livery was recorded. Alas 802 only worked at one Army site which was Weedon. Do you know the Ruston works numbers of these ten? Edited December 19, 2019 by Ruston 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coline33 Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 5 hours ago, Ruston said: Do you know the Ruston works numbers of these ten? Just to let you know that some four ours ago I responded with all the numbers and more but for some unknown reason the system blocked my attempts to submit on two occasions. I have complained and in view of the amount of detail I gave I am extremely annoyed. I still have had no response to the blocking. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coline33 Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 As the above post has got through I will respond to Phil's post. Yes, I suspected that CAEN was in Army green but in view of being named I could have been wrong. The fact that it was used as the lift in crane training and rerailing may well have been the reason not to repaint as no doubt damage could have been expected and accepted!!! I was on the verge of emailing the 'Colonel' but in view of the blocking I have not. So now to attempt to a third chance to get the data through that Ruston required. This time without the 'quote'! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruston Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 6 minutes ago, coline33 said: Just to let you know that some four ours ago I responded with all the numbers and more but for some unknown reason the system blocked my attempts to submit on two occasions. I have complained and in view of the amount of detail I gave I am extremely annoyed. I still have had no response to the blocking. Sorry to hear that. I have found them now after I remembered that I have a copy of the IRS book Locomotives of the Minitry of Defence. According to that book the army had 11 48DS (or 12 if you count the one acquired second hand from ICI which was built in 1937 and so was a 44/48HP loco and not a 48DS). 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coline33 Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 From the IRS book. 800 = 187075 1938, 801 = 221648 1943, 802 = 221645 1944, 803 = 224341 1944, 804 = 224342 1944, 805 = 224343 1944, 806 = 224344 1944, 807 =224345 1945, 808 = 224347 1945, 809 = 224348 1945 and then there were also 813 (second rebuild of 1925 battery loco now preserved as ARMY 110 see photos on internet) = 411319 1957 and 814 = 218048 1943 (photo in IRS book). Photo of 802 on internet and 807 in Longmoor books. 807 was named CAEN after the WW2 army depot at Caen in France and 809 was named PLUTO after the WW2 'Pipe Line Under The Ocean' system of supplying fuel for the WW2 invasion. Trust this gets through and helps. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coline33 Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 7 minutes ago, Ruston said: Sorry to hear that. I have found them now after I remembered that I have a copy of the IRS book Locomotives of the Minitry of Defence. According to that book the army had 11 48DS (or 12 if you count the one acquired second hand from ICI which was built in 1937 and so was a 44/48HP loco and not a 48DS). Thanks, Ruston. I have at last got it through as there may be others who will be interested. Glad you have the book which shows all the depots at which these 12 locos worked. A book I fully recommend to those interested in Army railway to get. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted December 19, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 19, 2019 Isn't there a Cowans-Sheldon steam crane similar to the one on the LMR due for release soon? Would make an interesting diorama of 807 being lifted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 Army 808 WN 224347 is the one plinthed near Bank Hall. Photo El Pollock - Wiki Commons/Geograph "The Atlantic Avenue, 1998" Ruston 48DS 0-4-0 Diesel Shunter, on the corner of Bankfield Street and Derby Road, Bootle, England, as seen from across the junction at the end of Bankhall Street. Visible behind the wall is the S. Norton scrapyard on Regent Road. This standard-gauge engine was built in 1945, works number 224347. It is owned by Merseyside Development Corporation https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/2860386 Jason 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pre Grouping fan Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 8 hours ago, PhilJ W said: Isn't there a Cowans-Sheldon steam crane similar to the one on the LMR due for release soon? Would make an interesting diorama of 807 being lifted. Bachmann made the Ransomes and Rapier 45 ton steam crane. Although I wouldn't want to lift anything more than a wagon with it due to the fidelity of it. The Ruston does have a fair amount of weight for its size so may cause it to tip if unsupported in some way. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jack Benson Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 (edited) On 14 December 2019 at 17:19, Thebigshot said: Hi Guys sorry if this has been asked already I'm pretty tired looking through this already but is the wire and hard cupeler easy to remove mines due to arrive soon thanks alan My most sincere apologies for being a thicko but how exactly are the jumper wires removed? The prospect of ruining the model is of real concern........ btw, gratuitous photo just because it is such a beautiful model Cheers and thanks Edited December 20, 2019 by Jack Benson Awful spelling Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pre Grouping fan Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 Just now, Jack Benson said: My most sincere apologies for being a thicko but how exactly are the jumper wires removed? The prosoect of ruining the model is of real concern........ btw, gratuitous photo just because it is such a beautiful model Cheers and thanks Mine unplugged quite easily. I pulled loco/conflat coupling apart first to give a bit more finger room around the plugs then they just pulled out without any problem. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coline33 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 Thanks, Jason, for the latest view of erstwhile WD 808. Yesterday I cleaned up my old Wagon Works board based on a Chris Leigh article in an old "Model Rail". It comprises two Peco insulated frog points - a three way and double slip - and sidings. 802 plus Conflat operated extremely well except for one tight siding curve where one or the other derailed. This was because the curve was sharper than the Hornby minimum of 2nd radius. Uncoupling the loco completely from the Conflat and inserting the provided couplers at each end overcame the issue and the loco performed faultlessly. It sheer smallest in size makes it the perfect shunter for micro layouts so I am extremely pleased with it. The Conflat - well that is back in the box and there is no need to re-livery it!!! The end result is that the board will be extended for the return of my stored military buildings and the Ruston joined by an Army 03 diesel, Longmoor 300 and Austerities to handle my military and BR wagons at a repair centre. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coline33 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, Pre Grouping fan said: Mine unplugged quite easily. I pulled loco/conflat coupling apart first to give a bit more finger room around the plugs then they just pulled out without any problem. I used long nosed pliers and removed the electrical plug first to avoid damaging it. The bar then pulled out easily. Mind you I too did not have the confidence to do until Chris Harvey told me how easy and faultless it was doing it that way. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sleepyrider Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 The two little prong bits pull out of the socket, it's best however to push against the socket with something otherwise that might come too and break the bumper rail thingy - don't ask how I know that (luckily it repaired invisibly). If it runs poorly once the wagon is off check the pickups - I had to bend all mine out. Fiddly,,but worth it, it now runs better than my Hornby Peckett and Sentinel and isn't even run in yet 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruston Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 (edited) 10 hours ago, Steamport Southport said: Army 808 WN 224347 is the one plinthed near Bank Hall. Photo El Pollock - Wiki Commons/Geograph "The Atlantic Avenue, 1998" Ruston 48DS 0-4-0 Diesel Shunter, on the corner of Bankfield Street and Derby Road, Bootle, England, as seen from across the junction at the end of Bankhall Street. Visible behind the wall is the S. Norton scrapyard on Regent Road. This standard-gauge engine was built in 1945, works number 224347. It is owned by Merseyside Development Corporation https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/2860386 Jason Back in the 1980s/90s, the same loco was spare to a Ruston 88DS at W.H. Davis wagon works, at Langwith Junction. I photographed it in March 1991 when it was still painted in its very faded army livery. Edited December 20, 2019 by Ruston 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium nigcuberail Posted December 20, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 20, 2019 Out of interest, anyone received a pre-ordered 'Army 802' from Rails of Sheffield yet? They have been showing in stock for a few days but my January pre-order hasn't been shipped yet despite a call yesterday. I have no doubt they are extremely busy in dispatch due to the season. It would be nice to get it for Christmas - it would make a great table decoration running in during dinner 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted December 20, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 20, 2019 (edited) 19 hours ago, nigcuberail said: Out of interest, anyone received a pre-ordered 'Army 802' from Rails of Sheffield yet? They have been showing in stock for a few days but my January pre-order hasn't been shipped yet despite a call yesterday. I have no doubt they are extremely busy in dispatch due to the season. It would be nice to get it for Christmas - it would make a great table decoration running in during dinner Mine is in progress and I was told they are overwhelmed with new releases and there is a backlog in the despatch department. Now in the post. [21/12/19] Edited December 21, 2019 by gwrrob added detail. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted December 20, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 20, 2019 I received the January 2020 edition of Railway Bylines this morning. In an article about Clee Hill there is an illustration of a brake vehicle intended for use on an incline. Basically a low sided open wagon fitted with footboards and a brake standard. My thoughts are with the Ruston being a lightweight it might be found neccessary to add some more brake force. So I am now considering adding such features to the match wagon together with a toolbox and a few other additions. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coline33 Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 Phil, I hope the Sentinel you saw was a London Midland one like the one seen in that Clee Hill article! Looks as though you will have to build an incline now! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted December 21, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 21, 2019 It was the Eastern Region internal user one, someone beat me too it anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ruston Posted December 21, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 21, 2019 I am planning to build a scrapyard micro layout and so have just weathered my latest purchase to be the motive power. The scrapyard acquired it from the MOD and it has received a few knocks and scrapes, not to mention not getting cared for anything like as well as it would have in army service. 32 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted December 21, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 21, 2019 Nice work and I do like an instanter coupling. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sb67 Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 36 minutes ago, Ruston said: I am planning to build a scrapyard micro layout and so have just weathered my latest purchase to be the motive power. The scrapyard acquired it from the MOD and it has received a few knocks and scrapes, not to mention not getting cared for anything like as well as it would have in army service. Very nice weathering Ruston, not overdone at all it looks great, how did you acheive that? 1 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold ruggedpeak Posted December 21, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 21, 2019 Walked over the Thames in driving rain to have a pre-Xmas browse at Ian Allan by Waterloo yesterday evening. Saw 3 versions of the Rustons in the cabinet and was instantly smitten. Had no plans to buy one but couldn't resist the Queen Anne - last QA in the shop despite them only arriving the other day. £69.99 in store so very pleased. Currently running in on my test track. A truly stunning little model. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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