RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted February 23, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 23, 2019 1 hour ago, gwrrob said: If Hornby won't do them my first choice would be Rapido after seeing their dynamometer car first hand. Agree Robin.But Jason will need some persuading and “pressuring” first. As long as we don’t have a repeat of the window lining issues or similar.The dyno is a joy to behold. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted February 23, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 23, 2019 6 hours ago, Ian Hargrave said: So then,roll the dice....top lights from? I think we can rule out Bachmann this side of eternity and consider which of the competition has form in reproducing coaching stock in rtr 4mm.The one which immediately springs to mind is Rapido which has just produced the dyno car for Rails.In both 2mm and 7mm scale,Dapol can do the business as they have recently with the O gauge auto coach but there’s a curious gap in any 4mm coach stock . Don’t see either Accurascale doing it atm as they now have a full order book for some time to come,though they are perfectly capable of doing it as other forum threads demonstrate and the same goes for Revolution. So whither Hornby next with GWR coaches ? They are easily capable of upgrading their auto coach and the neglected Collett restaurant car,the latter I remember placed forever in the Swansea portion of all Paddington-South Wales trains.And yes,the top lights too in the seeming muddle that once made up GW expresses. Good luck to whomsoever grasps the nettle of designing and producing one in 4mm.It’s a minefield.I’d love to see them finally made to current standards but probably not in my lifetime.Not that I have any intention of heading towards any equivalent of Dai Woodham’s yard any time soon,I hasten to add. The simple question is not so much who will tackle the Toplights but which Toplights would they go for? Just try to recall the results of the poll where the choice of potential purchasers was almost as wide the the number of designs - and that's before you even think about the alterations down the years. For a big manufacturer looking at reasonable length production runs and, as they often do to ensure that, looking at vehicles with a long service life in several liveries the Toplights are a non-starter as the tooling costs incorporating slides to cater for detail changes put the coaches at a very high retail price level. If you look at the last Toplight vehicle to remain in regular, albeit specialised, use its appearance in BR blue & grey livery was totally different from it original appearance in GWR maroon livery - so different you could be excused for not thinking it was the same vehicle especially because after its final external changes the top lights had gone. As far as' whither Hornby?' is concerned I think it is sitting in front of two wide open goals - a Collett restaurant car and a similar vintage full brake of one pattern or another. I wonder which they'll f do first? 3 6 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted February 23, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Ian Hargrave said: Agree Robin.But Jason will need some persuading and “pressuring” first. As long as we don’t have a repeat of the window lining issues or similar.The dyno is a joy to behold. I reckon the only way Jason would touch them is in partnership with what would amount to a UK commissioner - who would bear a good chunk of the risk. on the other hand of course those who really want some could get together around a package one of their number puts together re the required vehicles and changes to then over the years and then put the whole thing to a 'manufacturer' along with a suitable (very large) sum of money. Or you could wait for Oxford to do them - in their own inimitable fashion - but at their sort of retail price level (or you could commission them of course, I understand Oxford's prices were 'reasonable' in comparison with most of the direct Chinese factory prices). 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
9402 Fredrick Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 I'm honestly surprised that no one on Youtube has gotten the GWR ones that are available and made a review, then again it's probabky cause the peopke who are want the right hand brake 3rd coach to come out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted February 23, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 23, 2019 25 minutes ago, 9402 Fredrick said: I'm honestly surprised that no one on Youtube has gotten the GWR ones that are available and made a review, then again it's probabky cause the peopke who are want the right hand brake 3rd coach to come out. I should have mine by Tuesday and I do a photo shoot with them then. 3 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
9402 Fredrick Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 21 minutes ago, gwrrob said: I should have mine by Tuesday and I do a photo shoot with them then. I've got the second GWR liveried ones on order, do R4874A, R4875A, R4876A, and R4877A make a London Suburban set? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkirby Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 Hi, I bought 3 out of the 4 on Saturday, (Strange how Hornby could not supply all 4 at once? ) I have noticed that on the brake coach, the centre of the chassis has been bowed down giving a distinctly banana looking shape to this one. Now is likely that the middle clip holding chassis to to the body Just isn't in correctly. Normally I would look to sort this myself, but I think it will be going back, as at £44 per coach I cannot afford to stuff it up. Neil 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted February 25, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 25, 2019 An excellent service from Rails/Royal Mail brought me this beautiful pair of the nine compartment composites today. 12 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted February 25, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 25, 2019 Although you get a pair of Roco couplings in the box I fitted a pair of Kadee 19's instead and here's the result. Also, like the Collett corridor's you get a pair of destination boards too. You can see the no smoking signs here too. 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted February 25, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 25, 2019 Excuse me, but aren't those BR first class sausages and no smoking triangles in the first class windows? I hope my BR liveried versions do not have GW 'window furniture'! Correct GW type 'NO SMKG' labels seem to be applied to third class! They look like really lovely models and my criticism is carping, but OTOH things need to be got right at this price level. I am still looking forward to getting mine! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 2 hours ago, The Johnster said: Excuse me, but aren't those BR first class sausages and no smoking triangles in the first class windows? Oh dear - has the factory mixed-up the window-printing specs? Regards, John Isherwood. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted February 25, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 25, 2019 4 minutes ago, cctransuk said: Oh dear - has the factory mixed-up the window-printing specs? Regards, John Isherwood. Will have to see other examples but it could just be mine, maybe a Friday afternoon job but hardly noticeable to the uninitiated, 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcredfer Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 Quote but hardly noticeable to the uninitiated, I knew there was something I had missed - of course, it's so clear now! - There was bound to be an Initiation to the Rivet Counter Lodge. Leg-pulling aside, it is an odd mistake for them to make, as someone must have stared at pictures {plans?} to produce the models, yet not get the signs right. Perhaps a lack of the correct model signs currently available?? Regards Julian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 Aren't they the SMOKING symbols etched on the glass rather than First Class symbols? http://citytransport.info/Album/P1460348a.jpg Jason 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold john dew Posted February 26, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 26, 2019 I agree......you can just about read it if you blow up Rob’s photos. I suspect Johnster is correct about the “ No Smoking “ triangles.........I think the GWR signs had red letters on a white background.....the BR signs had whte lettering on a red background. .....like the ones on Rob ‘s coaches! I suspect that I can live with that.....not too many people in Vancouver will notice. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 5 hours ago, Steamport Southport said: Aren't they the SMOKING symbols etched on the glass rather than First Class symbols? http://citytransport.info/Album/P1460348a.jpg I've never seen that style referred to as being etched, but it was a semi-transparent style, and which I think disappeared at or toward the end of the Churchward era. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MG 7305 Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 "Although you get a pair of Roco couplings in the box I fitted a pair of Kadee 19's instead and here's the result. Also, like the Collett corridor's you get a pair of destination boards too. You can see the no smoking signs here too." Beware too many pin joints/flexible links in a coupling between 2 vehicles. I found that if you have 2 coaches with the extending mechanism and then include 2 Kadees then you are liable to get derailments, particularly on reverse curves; I found this out the hard way with the Hawksworth coaches. I took advice from the Gentleman at Keen Systems and he spelt it out. I suggest that you get some real Roco couplings (they are shorter than the ones supplied with the Hawksworth and mainline Colletts.) You will have no problem with the the Kadees between the end vehicles and a locomotive. Indeed I have included the Hornby Restaurant car in my mainline stock with Kadees and there is no problem. 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
89A Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 13 hours ago, cctransuk said: Oh dear - has the factory mixed-up the window-printing specs? Regards, John Isherwood. I suspect it is an assembly mistake. We'll probably see BR versions with GWR labels. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted February 26, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 26, 2019 15 hours ago, jcredfer said: I knew there was something I had missed - of course, it's so clear now! - There was bound to be an Initiation to the Rivet Counter Lodge. Leg-pulling aside, it is an odd mistake for them to make, as someone must have stared at pictures {plans?} to produce the models, yet not get the signs right. Perhaps a lack of the correct model signs currently available?? Regards Julian This is the first time I've ever been associated with rivet counting, and I'm going to take it as a compliment! I do not know how these things are actually assembled, but it is possible that the process in which the signs are printed on to the glazing is separate from moulding of it. If the order to the facility that provides the moulding is for the number of units needed for all of the coaches of that diagram to be produced, rather than a separate order for GW and BR liveried versions, there is potential for this sort of error which is unlikely to be picked up in China and too late to rectify when the product gets to the UK. It isn't the end of the world and most folk will be happy with their coaches. It is easily enough corrected, assuming the bodies can be reasonably easily removed without damage. I will be needing to get inside mine anyway to add passengers. The last thing I want to do is put the mockers on what looks like an excellent and ground breaking product, the first RTR non gangwayed GW stock to this standard. But it needs to be drawn to Hornby's attention so that they can correct it. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Gough Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 21 hours ago, The Johnster said: Excuse me, but aren't those BR first class sausages and no smoking triangles in the first class windows? I hope my BR liveried versions do not have GW 'window furniture'! Correct GW type 'NO SMKG' labels seem to be applied to third class! They look like really lovely models and my criticism is carping, but OTOH things need to be got right at this price level. I am still looking forward to getting mine! I think what you are seeing as a first class sausage may actually be a trick of the light/flash reflection from the edge of the glazing? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted February 26, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 26, 2019 Well we have a new development. Hornby's corridor coaches are exactly the same, no one mentioned those being wrong. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted February 26, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 26, 2019 21 hours ago, The Johnster said: Excuse me, but aren't those BR first class sausages and no smoking triangles in the first class windows? I hope my BR liveried versions do not have GW 'window furniture'! Correct GW type 'NO SMKG' labels seem to be applied to third class! 12 minutes ago, Nick Gough said: I think what you are seeing as a first class sausage may actually be a trick of the light/flash reflection from the edge of the glazing? The sausage appears to say SMOKING. No idea if that's correct for GW, but if it is would suggest they've used just the wrong No Smoking label. Don't recall a permissive SMOKING label in BR days - you could smoke unless it said not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pteremy Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 Yes! And there also appear to be red triangles in the windows in the pictures posted at the beginning of this thread, so they are intentional. Sometimes it better not to know, and even better not to care! I don't think this should put anyone off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 7 minutes ago, gwrrob said: Well we have a new development. Hornby's corridor coaches are exactly the same, no one mentioned those being wrong. This link may be instructive https://www.warwickshirerailways.com/misc/misc_equip312.htm . Regards, John Isherwood. 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted February 26, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 26, 2019 7 minutes ago, cctransuk said: This link may be instructive https://www.warwickshirerailways.com/misc/misc_equip312.htm . Regards, John Isherwood. So the No Smoking label is almost correct - it should be triangular with red text on a white background. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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