ThaneofFife Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 M prefixes dominate on the blue and grey ones as opposed to the eastern region prefixes on the Bachmanns.........thought the Mk2f was largely the preserve of the London Midland Region (WCML) so have Bachmann got it wrong on the numbers? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRDBLUE17 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Hi everyone, I’m actually really pleased that Hornby are doing the 2f’s and makes a lot of sense given they probably had done a lot of the design work already when the 2E appeared. The Scotrail set of BSO and 5 TSO’s will allow me to create the ECS moves of the Fife circle stock with my Dapol 68’s that I see regularly through here. Simple to renumber using Rainbow Railways transfers too. Given my train funds are very restricted for the next 2/3 years being around the £30 mark these are also affordable. I know the 2E’s had there faults but there was a lot of nice detail on them the bogies and underframe details and I also thought the glazing was really good too. I got a rake to go with an old replica buffet to recreate a cross country service from 1992 I found a photo of online - a bargain at around £100 and Bachmann even did Tamar to haul it. Thanks Mark 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonathan452 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 (edited) M prefixes dominate on the blue and grey ones as opposed to the eastern region prefixes on the Bachmanns.........thought the Mk2f was largely the preserve of the London Midland Region (WCML) so have Bachmann got it wrong on the numbers? http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/81887-Hornby-mk2e-coaches/page-7 - Post 151 Original allocations of air-con Mark 2 stock were, so far as I can establish: Mark 2d: ER: 23 FK, 23 BFK, 19 FO, 128 TSO, 17 BSO; LMR: 26 FK, 11 BFK, 28 FO - so 210 ER and 65 LMR, the latter all firsts, total 275. Mark 2e: LMR: 12 FO, 89 TSO, 14 BSO; WR 43 FO, 71 TSO - so no brakes to the WR and few FOs to the LMR as their 23 were mostly to run with the 2d firsts - so 115 LMR and 114 WR, total 229. Mark 2f: ER: 23 FO, 65 TSO; LMR: 105 FO, 146 TSO, 30 BSO; WR: 36 FO, 66 TSO - so 88 ER, 281 LMR, 102 WR, total 471. Edited January 8, 2019 by jonathan452 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Fisher Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 lets get the words right...a 2d retool to me implies that the exisiting now 40 year old model would seemingly get worked on. for me thats a total no. the 2d has been used by in ways the real railway didn't... the 2d was ok for its time but has errors The 2e hasn't got a solebar it has what looks like one..take them apart and reassemble and hey presto no solebar. ok you should not have to but. some competition surely aint a bad thing. I am all for getting rakes of stock but Bachmanns 2f release price brought a tear to my eye.... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tractor_37260 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 (edited) Question is will Hornby use the ahem ! correct as per Ox Rail Light Grey on their Exec MK2F's......or their usual horrid mustard yellow shade..... Edited January 8, 2019 by tractor_37260 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Legend Posted January 8, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 8, 2019 The only thing about the ScotRail 2Fs is that I think ScotRail will stop using them in May . As more HSTs and 385s are deployed displacing dmus , I think the loco rake is due to end . So nice to have, but maybe already verging on the historic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanspareil Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 (edited) Never say never regarding the MK2 RFB, we've seen Hornby make additions to the Mk1 range. So if many people request for it, it will happen. Indeed lets hope so, but also theres been plenty of omissions or odd decisions previously. Historically Hornby sometimes dont seem to see the bigger picture so well as maybe say Bachmann in that not producing one coach may limit sales of others - or flip side producing one 'odd' coach leads more sales of others. I guess the accountants purely see the production costs of one coach with lesser sales as an unnecessary (without quantifying the potential wider sales effect). Its why back in the day i didnt swap my HST rakes to Hornby given the cut price Lima lash up they did with the TGS, so they lost out on multiple sales due to cutting corners on one coach. I know what i will be putting on those Hornby 'make a model suggestion' forms at exhibitions now!! Edited January 8, 2019 by sanspareil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sub39h Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 (edited) I wish Hornby had done the Mk2D instead but here we are. I think I can forgive them if they get the BR liveries right this time, not the dark blue on blue grey with mismatching and light grey, or custard yellow for InterCity light grey. Edited January 8, 2019 by sub39h Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold ruggedpeak Posted January 8, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 8, 2019 Posted previously on the Merl Evans thread but shows PLPR coach, not 100% sure it is R4298 though - livery looks good representation: 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Fatadder Posted January 9, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 9, 2019 There’s a couple of things wrong with the 2e but not the window size. I even went so far as to measure the prototype to confirm this. If you want to pick on a window frame, pick on the Bachman 2f ones that are not flush enough. Out of interest, other than the obvious solebar issue and the printed on door open lights, what else needs fixing on the 2E Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lyneux Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 Roevacs Rich. Use my 3D printed ones from Shapeways. Otherwise not much else. Guy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flood Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 Out of interest, other than the obvious solebar issue and the printed on door open lights, what else needs fixing on the 2E Horrible Roevac vents. Easy fix from 3D printed ones. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waverley West Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 (edited) Livery-wise: The grey band on the blue/grey version is much too thin above the windows and too thick below it, which completely alters the look of the coach. I presume this is a livery application issue though, rather than anything to do with the position of the windows (?). The light grey on the InterCity version, well, the less said about that, the better. Edited January 9, 2019 by Waverley West Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Fatadder Posted January 9, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 9, 2019 Roevacs Rich. Use my 3D printed ones from Shapeways. Otherwise not much else. Guy Thanks Guy, Next time Shapeways have a discount code I will need to buy some and get them fitted! 150 of them is going to last some time! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lyneux Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 You can even do 47901 as well with them... had 8 on the roof! G. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
159220 Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 The only thing about the ScotRail 2Fs is that I think ScotRail will stop using them in May . As more HSTs and 385s are deployed displacing dmus , I think the loco rake is due to end . So nice to have, but maybe already verging on the historic. I partly agree, especially if the rumours for LL 37/4s to take on the Fife diagrams through to September turn true (still would use the Scotrail branded coaches). Yet seeing as many own the Dapol 68 in Scotrail, you would think the coach is a rather smart move? Hopes of Bachmann ever releasing modern liveries on the Mk2F have always seemed distant. Bravo to Hornby for satisfying the market in terms of today’s railway. Posted previously on the Merl Evans thread but shows PLPR coach, not 100% sure it is R4298 though - livery looks good representation: PLPR1 72631 Mark 2f TSO PLPR2 5981 Mark 2f TSO PLPR3 1256 Mark 2f RFB stays on the Wessex/South Eastern Set PLPR4 72639 Mark 2f TSO 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Richy59 Posted January 9, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 9, 2019 Can anyone help with confirming the exact formations the test trains run in, are they usually the same or are there variations of the formations? I have seen some with either four or five coaches, on top of what Hornby is offering I've seen a formation include a Mk2f Brake Coach, a Mk2f coach with no windows on either side, and what I assume is a Mk2a. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted January 9, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 9, 2019 (edited) Can anyone help with confirming the exact formations the test trains run in, are they usually the same or are there variations of the formations? I have seen some with either four or five coaches, on top of what Hornby is offering I've seen a formation include a Mk2f Brake Coach, a Mk2f coach with no windows on either side, and what I assume is a Mk2a. Going OT. The one with fully plated windows will be a SGT set with either 99666 or 977986 as the plated coach. The "2A" is likely to have been Mk2B 977969 as it's the only non-aircon Mk2 in regular test service Some sets stay together for long periods - particularly the SGT and UTU formation. The PLPR, RSC and TIC, MENTOR, HSTRC coaches do get swapped about Look at departmentals.com sightings list and you'll soon identify sets that have the same group over a few days. Photo research via flickr will confirm this. November/December 2018 with at least 3 sightings 72631/9481/975091 Yet a month earlier 9701/72631/9481/975091/977997 The numbers may not mean much, but they are all different coaches with different functions Even the three BSOs that they use a brake force vehicles are all individually recognisable - 9481/9516/9523 Cheers, Mick Edited January 9, 2019 by newbryford Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Richy59 Posted January 9, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 9, 2019 Thanks Mick, very helpful. I will refrain from going OT any further Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowlander Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 (edited) Posted in wrong topic Edited January 11, 2019 by ayrmrg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold ruggedpeak Posted January 16, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 16, 2019 Posted previously on the Merl Evans thread but shows PLPR coach, not 100% sure it is R4298 though - livery looks good representation: Now I've put it into 1080P and on a big screen I can tell you what this consist passing Kelvedon on 15/08/18 is: 37099 Merl Evans 977969 977983 5981 6264 37116 Quite a lot of detail is visible at max res and big screen (and putting my glasses on!) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordon1970 Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 On 07/01/2019 at 13:22, Andy Mac said: The Scotrail Mk2f’s.... what is the correct consist for them? Is it 4 or 5 TSO”s plus a BSO? Are they still used on the fife circle? Normally i’d Pre order, but after getting the Hornby spotrail class 156 when it was released and being disappointed in the livery and colours used, it was far too light, i’ll Maybe just wait and see what they are like once released... You can authentically put two brakes in a rake of five or six, can't say how often they've run like that but last time I did see two brakes they were in the middle of the rake coupled with the guards sections back to back, possibly they'd cobbled together two half rakes 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shunny Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 I see these every day and at present they are 5 opens and one brake in the train but for variety 68008 Avenger in DRS has had a spell on the train last month . 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Richy59 Posted February 10, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 10, 2019 (edited) For the most part I have seen them consist of 3 Opens, the Brake and then the last 2 Opens to form the 6 carriage rake. Or vice versa if the loco has run around to the other end. very occasionally I have sen pictures of them with the 5 Opens together and the Brake at the end, or again, vice versa. I think the mix the consist depending on which carriages are available at the time. Photo by '37001' on Flickr Edited February 10, 2019 by Richy59 3 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGR Hooper! Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 The latest blog is up.... Featuring the Mk2F coaches https://www.Hornby.com/uk-en/news/the-engine-shed/large-prairie-mk2f-big-boy 3 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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