andyman7 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 A prototype question ... Do the GWR HST Mk3s in green livery all have sliding doors presently? Thanks, Martin No, all the ones I've seen retain slam doors. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium HillsideDepot Posted January 7, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 7, 2019 A prototype question ... Do the GWR HST Mk3s in green livery all have sliding doors presently? Thanks, Martin GWR are in the process of receiving sliding door Mk3s to be formed into 4 coach sets to work from Penzance to Exeter (and I believe eventually Cardiff). They have had one set since last summer, and I think a second has been delivered, but progress has been slow, just like the ScotRail 7 cities sets. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir TophamHatt Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 (edited) IC Swallow was released this year, cannot see another new tool for the Mk3. Last year But surprisingly difficult to find now. And I still can't tell which are the "shorties" on eBay. I mean, if anyone knows where I can buy a full set of 8 INTERCITY MK3s (not worried about different numbers), I'm interested! Edited January 8, 2019 by Sir TophamHatt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
longdavey Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Hornby have announced new tooling for contemporary versions of Mark3 coaches with sliding doors with accompanying power-car sets for each of the three liveries. Numbering options give the potential to build up complete sets with individual numbering Mk3a.JPG Mk3b.JPG Mk3c.JPG R4890 ScotRail, Mk3 Sliding Door TSL - Era 11 Due Date: Jun-19 RRP: £34.99 R4890A ScotRail, Mk3 Sliding Door TSL - Era 11 Due Date: Jun-19 RRP: £34.99 R4890B ScotRail, Mk3 Sliding Door TSL - Era 11 Due Date: Jun-19 RRP: £34.99 R4890C ScotRail, Mk3 Sliding Door TSL - Era 11 Due Date: Nov-19 RRP: £34.99 R4891 ScotRail, Mk3 Sliding Door TSD - Era 11 Due Date: Jun-19 RRP: £34.99 R4891A ScotRail, Mk3 Sliding Door TSD - Era 11 Due Date: Nov-19 RRP: £34.99 R4895 GWR, Mk3 Sliding Door TSD - Era 11 Due Date: Oct-19 RRP: £34.99 R4895A GWR, Mk3 Sliding Door TSD - Era 11 Due Date: Nov-19 RRP: £34.99 R4896 GWR, Mk3 Sliding Door TGS - Era 11 Due Date: Oct-19 RRP: £34.99 R4896A GWR, Mk3 Sliding Door TGS - Era 11 Due Date: Nov-19 RRP: £34.99 R4915 GWR, Mk3 Sliding Door TS - Era 11 Due Date: Oct-19 RRP: £34.99 R4915A GWR, Mk3 Sliding Door TS - Era 11 Due Date: Oct-19 RRP: £34.99 R4915B GWR, Mk3 Sliding Door TS - Era 11 Due Date: Nov-19 RRP: £34.99 R4915C GWR, Mk3 Sliding Door TS - Era 11 Due Date: Nov-19 RRP: £34.99 R4938 Cross Country Trains, Mk3 Sliding Door TGS - Era 11 Due Date: Nov-19 RRP: £34.99 R4938A Cross Country Trains, Mk3 Sliding Door TGS - Era 11 Due Date: Nov-19 RRP: £34.99 R4939 Cross Country Trains, Mk3 Sliding Door TSD - Era 11 Due Date: Nov-19 RRP: £34.99 R4939A Cross Country Trains, Mk3 Sliding Door TSD - Era 11 Due Date: Nov-19 RRP: £34.99 R4939B Cross Country Trains, Mk3 Sliding Door TSD - Era 11 Due Date: Nov-19 RRP: £34.99 R4939C Cross Country Trains, Mk3 Sliding Door TSD - Era 11 Due Date: Nov-19 RRP: £34.99 R4940 Cross Country Trains, Mk3 Sliding Door TS - Era 11 Due Date: Nov-19 RRP: £34.99 R4940A Cross Country Trains, Mk3 Sliding Door TS - Era 11 Due Date: Nov-19 RRP: £34.99 R4940B Cross Country Trains, Mk3 Sliding Door TS - Era 11 Due Date: Nov-19 RRP: £34.99 R4940C Cross Country Trains, Mk3 Sliding Door TS - Era 11 Due Date: Nov-19 RRP: £34.99 R4940D Cross Country Trains, Mk3 Sliding Door TS - Era 11 Due Date: Nov-19 RRP: £34.99 R4940E Cross Country Trains, Mk3 Sliding Door TS - Era 11 Due Date: Nov-19 RRP: £34.99 R4940G Cross Country Trains, Mk3 Sliding Door TS - Era 11 Due Date: Nov-19 RRP: £34.99 R4940H Cross Country Trains, Mk3 Sliding Door TS - Era 11 Due Date: Nov-19 RRP: £34.99 R4941 Cross Country Trains, Mk3 Sliding Door TCC - Era 11 Due Date: Nov-19 RRP: £34.99 R4941A Cross Country Trains, Mk3 Sliding Door TCC - Era 11 Due Date: Nov-19 RRP: £34.99 R4942 Cross Country Trains, Mk3 Sliding Door TFD - Era 11 Due Date: Nov-19 RRP: £34.99 R4942A Cross Country Trains, Mk3 Sliding Door TFD - Era 11 Due Date: Nov-19 RRP: £34.99 Early 3D print samples were on show in Dec 2018. Mk3.jpg Preview 2019 - Press - PDF-139.jpg Preview 2019 - Press - PDF-140.jpg Preview 2019 - Press - PDF-141.jpg Preview 2019 - Press - PDF-142.jpg Preview 2019 - Press - PDF-143.jpg Preview 2019 - Press - PDF-144.jpg Do i spy MK3a roof vents on a HST trailer ? (the 3D print) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Do i spy MK3a roof vents on a HST trailer ? (the 3D print) Yep - many of Cross Country's cars are conversions from LHCS and retain the LHCS style roofs - including all 5 x TCCs, and many TF(D)/TS/TS(D) - so if they have noticed that detail and allowed for that in the tooling, then Hornby need a gigantic Well Done from anyone who likes accurate coaching stock models! I'm slightly flabbergasted that they have decided to do each as a full train, including all the single-operator tooling like the TCC. Either way, it's a real step-up for modern HST modelling. Excellent! Here's two shots of TCC 45002 (before door mods) showing the hauled stock roof vents, along with the TF(D) and TS either side. As well as the roof vent and plated large windows unique to the TCC! The XC fleet also had (pre-door mods) a real mix of treatments to the former toilet/luggage rack area windows (a mix of removed, single clear pane, and original two pane) - does anyone know have these been standardised during the door replacement as presumably the door now has to slide into that space? Does anyone know what happened to the cars where there was seating in that area (see second image)? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Reid Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Well spotted Longdavey.... Makes me wonder how much input Lyndon Davies And the Oxford Rail connection has on these releases. Could we also see re-tooled Mk3a's... c/w the correct liveries? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogbox321 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Last year But surprisingly difficult to find now. And I still can't tell which are the "shorties" on eBay. I mean, if anyone knows where I can buy a full set of 8 INTERCITY MK3s (not worried about different numbers), I'm interested! Sorry No. 1 - My mistake - 2019! Sure there must be some around. Try some of the smaller shops - not sure if last time I went in, that the Signal Box at Anstey still has some. Sorry No.2 - I have had two rakes, so its probably down to me that there is a shortage (needed a rake for the 1st IC HST they did too!). On another note, is it possible that Hornby have the L in the wrong place - There are 4 TSL's, but a rake only needs 1, whilst on TS there are only 2 listed, but each rake would need 2, meaning for the 2 rake numbering, there should be 4 listed..... Regards, C. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
43055 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 I'm really looking forward for these, just a bit stuck on which one set to have now. These do look really, really good. And now for the big question - anyone know what the proper train formations for the GWR, Cross Country and Scotrail rakes, so that people can order the correct number, of the correct vehicles to make their rakes up. Many Thanks, C GWR - TGS, TSD, TS, TS SR - For a 5 car set 1 of each looking at the image. Unsure which vehicle gets removed for a 4 car rake. XC - TGS, TSD, TS, TS, TS, TCC, TFD Tom Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted January 9, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 9, 2019 XC - TGS, TSD, TS, TS, TS, TCC, TFD From the catalog numbers, it looks like there are more than enough vehicles to do two complete sets - they have announced 18 coaches. 2 x TGS, 4 x TSD, 8 x TS, 2 x TCC, 2 x TFD Is there any information yet as to the individual coach numbers as I'd like to put together a matching rake and not have to renumber. A recent-ish list (Nov 2018) shows these formations: XC01 41193/45001/42375/42369/42051/42380/44021 XC02 41194/45002/42368/42373/42038/42371/44072 XC03 41195/45003/41370/42378/42036/42376/44052 XC04 41026/45004/42234/42037/42367/42366/44012 XC05 41035/45005/42290/42053/42052/42379/44017 Quite a good reference that shows the ex-LHCS Mk3As converted to Mk3 HST use as previously mentioned by Martyn a few posts up - those that are 423xx and 4119x as well as the 45xxx vehicles Cheers, Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
43055 Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 From the catalog numbers, it looks like there are more than enough vehicles to do two complete sets - they have announced 18 coaches. 2 x TGS, 4 x TSD, 8 x TS, 2 x TCC, 2 x TFD Is there any information yet as to the individual coach numbers as I'd like to put together a matching rake and not have to renumber. A recent-ish list (Nov 2018) shows these formations: XC01 41193/45001/42375/42369/42051/42380/44021 XC02 41194/45002/42368/42373/42038/42371/44072 XC03 41195/45003/41370/42378/42036/42376/44052 XC04 41026/45004/42234/42037/42367/42366/44012 XC05 41035/45005/42290/42053/42052/42379/44017 Quite a good reference that shows the ex-LHCS Mk3As converted to Mk3 HST use as previously mentioned by Martyn a few posts up - those that are 423xx and 4119x as well as the 45xxx vehicles Cheers, Mick At the moment only XC03 is in service with the mods completed. XC01 is currently in for conversion at the moment (since late last year) so I imagine they are still the correct formations. Thanks, Tom Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaneofFife Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 Prior to this announcement were the bogies and wheelsets the same or have Hornby poached these from Oxford given that I spotted these new Hornby Mk3s have disc brake wheel inserts ( I dont recall seeing them before on any Hornby Mk3). It is quite possible Hornby have simply kept the original Lima bogie but upgraded the wheelsets with the inserts. Interesting to hear about the Penzance-Exeter-Cardiff short sets coming in soon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium HillsideDepot Posted January 9, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 9, 2019 Interesting to hear about the Penzance-Exeter-Cardiff short sets coming in soon. I may have been a little off in my thinking/memory there, I'm afraid as, at a work meeting yesterday, it was mentioned that the "Castles" as GWR call their short HSTs will work Penzance - Exeter and Taunton - Cardiff so not through out as I said (although some transfer between routes, probably early morning, late at night or ECS is likely, I'd have thought, if only for maintenance purposes). One can hope that Cross Country will provide a nicely timed HST to link the GWR workings 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 I may have been a little off in my thinking/memory there, I'm afraid as, at a work meeting yesterday, it was mentioned that the "Castles" as GWR call their short HSTs will work Penzance - Exeter and Taunton - Cardiff so not through out as I said (although some transfer between routes, probably early morning, late at night or ECS is likely, I'd have thought, if only for maintenance purposes). One can hope that Cross Country will provide a nicely timed HST to link the GWR workings Some daytime Cardiff's already start back from Exeter, so at least a couple of daylight in-service diagrams capable of cycling the sets back to their maintenance base at Laira seem like a plausible outcome when there are more sets in use. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Revolution Mike B Posted January 9, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 9, 2019 Someone needs to let Hornby know that the GWR and Scot Rail coaches don't have LSL bogies! Ok....I'll do it.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
raetiamann Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 Can I ask what the formation of the Inter7City 2+4 & 2+5 sets? Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 Just going back and answering by own question, in case it helps anyone else, after digging through some images of them - looks like all the variations of small windows get removed en-masse when the new doors are fitted on the Cross Country ones - unfortunately (from a passenger point of view - though it makes it much easier from a modelling view!) it looks like that creates a seating bay with no window where seats had been situated in that area. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
43055 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 Can I ask what the formation of the Inter7City 2+4 & 2+5 sets? Thanks. Looks like the following: 4 car: TGFB, TSD, TS(with bike space), TS 5 car: TGFB, TSD, TS(with bike space), TS, TS Information from rail forums. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sianellen Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 (edited) Hi everyone, Apologies in advance if this is the wrong thread to ask this question. (I'm a newbie) Regarding the new Old Oak Common liveried HST pack, I noticed that this doesn't contain the most up-to-date version of the OAC power car. They added another badge/crest to the side of it when Old Oak closed a few weeks back. Just for comparison: Current: http://www.cornwallrailwaysociety.org.uk/uploads/7/6/8/3/7683812/181222a-for-the-record-the-last-hst-off-old-oak-common-depot-8th-december-2018-copyright-roger-winnen-copy_orig.jpg Previous: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DItmpeYXoAIpPEu.jpg New model: https://www.oliviastrains.com/wp-content/files_mf/1546902726R3696_1a.jpg So my question is, would this be added to the final version or not likely? I posted here as I don't think this power car has actually run with the sliding MK3 coaches yet? (Correct me if I'm wrong) So surely this would be kind of inaccurate to have this power car running with sliding MK3s unless that crest is added. Edited January 14, 2019 by Sianellen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Hi everyone, Apologies in advance if this is the wrong thread to ask this question. (I'm a newbie) Regarding the new Old Oak Common liveried HST pack, I noticed that this doesn't contain the most up-to-date version of the OAC power car. They added another badge/crest to the side of it when Old Oak closed a few weeks back. Just for comparison: Current: http://www.cornwallrailwaysociety.org.uk/uploads/7/6/8/3/7683812/181222a-for-the-record-the-last-hst-off-old-oak-common-depot-8th-december-2018-copyright-roger-winnen-copy_orig.jpg Previous: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DItmpeYXoAIpPEu.jpg New model: https://www.oliviastrains.com/wp-content/files_mf/1546902726R3696_1a.jpg So my question is, would this be added to the final version or not likely? I posted here as I don't think this power car has actually run with the sliding MK3 coaches yet? (Correct me if I'm wrong) So surely this would be kind of inaccurate to have this power car running with sliding MK3s unless that crest is added. I'd suggest letting them know, if the production hasn't started they may yet be able to update the artwork for it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sianellen Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 I'd suggest letting them know, if the production hasn't started they may yet be able to update the artwork for it. Ooo. I might well do that. What is the best way of getting in touch with them for this kind of query? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Revolution Mike B Posted January 14, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 14, 2019 Hi everyone, Apologies in advance if this is the wrong thread to ask this question. (I'm a newbie) Regarding the new Old Oak Common liveried HST pack, I noticed that this doesn't contain the most up-to-date version of the OAC power car. They added another badge/crest to the side of it when Old Oak closed a few weeks back. Just for comparison: Current: http://www.cornwallrailwaysociety.org.uk/uploads/7/6/8/3/7683812/181222a-for-the-record-the-last-hst-off-old-oak-common-depot-8th-december-2018-copyright-roger-winnen-copy_orig.jpg Previous: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DItmpeYXoAIpPEu.jpg New model: https://www.oliviastrains.com/wp-content/files_mf/1546902726R3696_1a.jpg So my question is, would this be added to the final version or not likely? I posted here as I don't think this power car has actually run with the sliding MK3 coaches yet? (Correct me if I'm wrong) So surely this would be kind of inaccurate to have this power car running with sliding MK3s unless that crest is added. 093 has been run with the castle sets Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-BOAF Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Someone needs to let Hornby know that the GWR and Scot Rail coaches don't have LSL bogies! Ok....I'll do it.. I can't speak for the sliding door conversions, but a number of GWR trailers do have LSL bogies. I have yet to consciously feel the difference, but on occasions do note LSL on the end of the coach. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sianellen Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 093 has been run with the castle sets Cheers for that. I wasn’t sure. I might ask about the crest/badge anyway as it would be a nice detail for them to add. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Roy Langridge Posted January 15, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 15, 2019 I can't speak for the sliding door conversions, but a number of GWR trailers do have LSL bogies. I have yet to consciously feel the difference, but on occasions do note LSL on the end of the coach. When I walked up and down Penzance station showing the difference to one of my sons, the split seemed to be about 50/50. Whether the retained coaches are mixed I don’t know. Roy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaneofFife Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Also looks like the coach ends have seen a major improvement over the older designs now with an inset corridor connection diaphragm like we saw on the old Jouef Mk3a models and more recently on the Oxfords. On the old Lima Mk3s the ends were fairly flat with the gangway simply moulded straight onto it not being inset into the vestibule. Looks much better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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