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14 hours ago, sc2016 said:

 

@43055 Looking at the list of products that are incoming from Hornby on the Rails of Sheffield list it appears that:

  1. Only 7 of the 8 GWRs ones are incoming in the next two weeks. The one that's missing is a TGS. 
  2. And only 12 of the 18 CrossCountry ones are incoming in the next two weeks. The ones that are missing include a TSD, 2xTS, a TCC & 2xTGS. 

The differences are between what is on the Rails of Sheffield List and the list of coaches from the MK3 SD Announcement.

 

Samuel.

 

Ah ok. I just looked at what I needed to get a full 2+7 set. Hopefully they are not to far behind.

2 hours ago, JackB95 said:

 

Ahhh didn't realise not everything was due in. So for those like myself and a couple of others on here who are modelling XC03 (the first set to come out with the door mods), we'll only be sent a TSD, a TS, and a TFD. The TGS/TS/TS/TCC are all due later... Oh well. 2+3 sets anyone? ;)

Probably still got more seats than a 220.

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Hi everyone. I'm sorry if this has been answered already but I'm looking at ordering a set of gwr sliding doors mk3s and in terms if the TS Hornby have R4915 R4915A,B,C,. But what one of these will be coach D as seen on the actual sets. 

 

Any help would be great

 

Regards Gary

 

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19 minutes ago, gary_lner said:

Hi everyone. I'm sorry if this has been answered already but I'm looking at ordering a set of gwr sliding doors mk3s and in terms if the TS Hornby have R4915 R4915A,B,C,. But what one of these will be coach D as seen on the actual sets. 

 

Any help would be great

 

Regards Gary

 

 

The A/B/C suffix doesn't refer to it's coach letter - just  a different running number.

Hornby are doing enough for two full sets - there's a list somewhere on here that details which catalog number combinations make up the two sets.

 

edit: just checked - and I think it's only the XC sets that have been compiled.

 

 

 

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12 minutes ago, gary_lner said:

Hi everyone. I'm sorry if this has been answered already but I'm looking at ordering a set of gwr sliding doors mk3s and in terms if the TS Hornby have R4915 R4915A,B,C,. But what one of these will be coach D as seen on the actual sets. 

 

Any help would be great

 

Regards Gary

 

 

As far as I am aware the information on running nos etc is vague, although I think I did manage to find the info for the ScotRail set to match the power cars, but the 4/5 coach ScotRail sets and 4 coach GWRs are a lot easier to suss out given there is haven't any duplication of type in the sets

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50 minutes ago, gary_lner said:

Hi everyone. I'm sorry if this has been answered already but I'm looking at ordering a set of gwr sliding doors mk3s and in terms if the TS Hornby have R4915 R4915A,B,C,. But what one of these will be coach D as seen on the actual sets. 

 

Any help would be great

 

Regards Gary

 

 

Coach numbers for each set were provided to us by GWR’s own Fleet Manager and reflect the sets that were current in May 2019, when the artwork was completed and sent to the factory. 

 

Set GW01 2+4 CASTLE
43092
48103 Coach D
48105 Coach C (TSD)
48101 Coach B
49101 Coach A
43186 
 
Set GW02 2+4 CASTLE
43040
48106 Coach D
48102 Coach C (TSD)
48104 Coach B
49102 Coach A
43016
 
Set GW03 2+4 CASTLE
43093
48112 Coach D
48108 Coach C (TSD)
48107 Coach B
49103 Coach A
43154

 

Set GW04 2+4 CASTLE
43170
48131 Coach D
48111 Coach C (TSD)
48110 Coach B
49104 Coach A
43187

 

I hope that this helps you out?

 

Best wishes,

Paul.

 

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24 minutes ago, Islesy said:

 

Coach numbers for each set were provided to us by GWR’s own Fleet Manager and reflect the sets that were current in May 2019, when the artwork was completed and sent to the factory. 

 

Set GW01 2+4 CASTLE
43092
48103 Coach D
48105 Coach C (TSD)
48101 Coach B
49101 Coach A
43186 
 
Set GW02 2+4 CASTLE
43040
48106 Coach D
48102 Coach C (TSD)
48104 Coach B
49102 Coach A
43016
 
Set GW03 2+4 CASTLE
43093
48112 Coach D
48108 Coach C (TSD)
48107 Coach B
49103 Coach A
43154

 

Set GW04 2+4 CASTLE
43170
48131 Coach D
48111 Coach C (TSD)
48110 Coach B
49104 Coach A
43187

 

I hope that this helps you out?

 

Best wishes,

Paul.

 

Hi Paul that does help alot thank you for that information. Looking at the 2020 catalogue the running numbers on the coaches actually match up with the GW04 2+4 castle set that you have provided so that's great. Would I be right in thinking looking at the catalouge that R4915C will have the D suffix on the coach.

 

Regards Gary 

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8 minutes ago, gary_lner said:

Would I be right in thinking looking at the catalouge that R4915C will have the D suffix on the coach.

 

That is right Gary,

 

Best wishes,

Paul.

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36 minutes ago, gary_lner said:

Thats fantastic thank you for you're help with that Paul i really appreciate it. I'll be ordering a set now.

 

Thanks once again 

 

Regards Gary 

Hi Gary,

 

Do you have the product codes for the coaches to make the GW04 set as I need to order one and have been trying to get my head around what ones I need.

 

Many thanks

Shaun

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26 minutes ago, Shaun66 said:

Hi Gary,

 

Do you have the product codes for the coaches to make the GW04 set as I need to order one and have been trying to get my head around what ones I need.

 

Many thanks

Shaun

Hi Shaun if I've got this right it's straight out of the 2020 catalogue

R4896A  TGS 49104 coach A

R4915B TS 48110 coach B

R4915C  TS 48131 coach D

R4895A TSD 4811. Coach C

those numbers match up with the GW04 running numbers.

 

Hope that helps 

 

Regards Gary 

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1 minute ago, gary_lner said:

Hi Shaun if I've got this right it's straight out of the 2020 catalogue

R4896A  TGS 49104 coach A

R4915B TS 48110 coach B

R4915C  TS 48131 coach D

R4895A TSD 4811. Coach C

those numbers match up with the GW04 running numbers.

 

Hope that helps 

 

Regards Gary 

 

Many thanks, I've been trying to get my head around them all to get the correct ones, Hornby don't appear to have much info on them on the website. Wish they had done a formations guide for the various liveries. 

 

Shaun

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41 minutes ago, Shaun66 said:

 

Many thanks, I've been trying to get my head around them all to get the correct ones, Hornby don't appear to have much info on them on the website. Wish they had done a formations guide for the various liveries. 

 

Shaun

 

Hattons did:

 

https://www.hattons.co.uk/newsdetail.aspx?id=425

 

But because running numbers were not public knowledge at the time (AFAIK) it doesn't say anything more than where each type of carriage goes in each train and corresponding Hornby numbers for that type of coach (but not necessarily the correct letter or running number)

 

One would presume though going through in order would end up with a correct set. For example, I have ordered R4907, R4891, R4937 & R4890 to run a 4 car Scotrail set. If I wanted to increase this to 5 car then I'd need R4890A.

 

If I wanted another set, then I would need R4907A, R4891A, R4937A, R4890B & R4890C. I believe these tally up with real life sets, I am sure I researched this before I chose which numbers to order. I also think the set I have ordered are the ones that have been seen in the wild with the power cars from last year. I aren't that bothered other than I wanted the coaches in the right order.

 

What is less clear is on the XC sets. as they have 2x TFD, TCC, TGS inferring there are two sets to be made. But then there are 9 TSLs, but 3 per set. Also 4 TSDs, although I wonder if there are sometimes 2 TSDs per set perhaps?

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4 hours ago, TomScrut said:

 

At this rate the HSTs are going to outlast the Voyagers!

It certainly heading that way. With two more power cars going to XC it looks like the HST operation is increasing soon.

 

3 hours ago, JackB95 said:

 

;-) Doesn't take much haha

It really doesn't a 2+3 does come really close.

43 minutes ago, Shaun66 said:

 

Many thanks, I've been trying to get my head around them all to get the correct ones, Hornby don't appear to have much info on them on the website. Wish they had done a formations guide for the various liveries. 

 

Shaun

I tried to put something together on page end 4 using the Hornby website and catalogue for the formations but these don't have the R numbers as such.

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6 minutes ago, TomScrut said:

 

Hattons did:

 

https://www.hattons.co.uk/newsdetail.aspx?id=425

 

But because running numbers were not public knowledge at the time (AFAIK) it doesn't say anything more than where each type of carriage goes in each train and corresponding Hornby numbers for that type of coach (but not necessarily the correct letter or running number)

 

I did see the Hattons guide but obvious want to create a prototypical formation regarding coach numbers and correct letters.

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On 14/09/2019 at 14:20, 159220 said:

I like to keep lists, this might help those interested in modelling the Mk3SD. Of course, until Hornby announce the actual coach numbers, we cannot really know for sure what 'set' to order. The GWR GW01-11 are pretty much fixed, with spares swapping within the sets. CrossCountry have several spares and shall swap these around maintenance, below are current formations. Scotrail are a little more fixed, with spares available. 

 

CrossCountry  operate 2+7 and not the 2+9 Hornby are currently offering!

 

I shall update others once released, if of interest - perhaps once the Hornby coach numbers are released? 

 

GWR -

2+4 to model, with Hornby offering two sets and three previous release HST power cars - to be renamed 'Castles' as 'GWR does not operate HSTs anymore'...

 

Powercar 

A - TGS (Wifi pods on roof)
B - TS
C - TSD 
D - TS (with ‘butterfly' external door)

Powercar

 

'L' is not used to identify as a lavatory, this appears to be a Scotrail only thing. 

 

GW01 TGS 49101 ‘A’, TS 48102 ‘B’, TSD 48103 ‘C’ & TS 48101 ‘D’
GW02 TGS 49102 ‘A’, TS 48104 ‘B’, TSD 48105 ‘C’ & TS 48106 ‘D’
GW03 TGS 49103 ‘A’, TS 48107 ‘B’, TSD 48108 ‘C’ & TS 48109 ‘D’
GW04 TGS 49104 ‘A’, TS 48110 ‘B’, TSD 48111 ‘C’ & TS 48112 ‘D’
GW05 TGS 49105 ‘A’, TS 48113 ‘B’, TSD 48114 ‘C’ & TS 48115 ‘D’
GW06 TGS 49106 ‘A’, TS 48116 ‘B’, TSD 48117 ‘C’ & TS 48118 ‘D’
Next GW07 GE(Wabtec)
TS 48131 (currently in GW04) is a spare until it fits into GW11, spare TGS 49112 is currently in GW02.

GW01 & 02 were different when introduced as the TSD were not yet available (GW01 featured 48111 vice 48103 & GW02 featured 48131 vice 48105).

 

CrossCountry -

2+7 to model, with Hornby offering two sets plus four 'spare' coaches and one release HST power car due 'Autumn'. The Previous HST power car is not suitable, as they have lost their exhaust diffusers.

 

Powercar

A - TFD
B - TCC
C - TS
D - TS
E - TS
F - TSD
G - TGS

Powercar

 

'L' is not used to identify as a lavatory, this appears to be a Scotrail only thing. 

 

(HST - original HST Mk3 builds / LHCS - HST Mk3 conversions which retain Mk3 LHCS roof vents)

 

XC01    TFD 41193 'A' (LHCS) TCC 45001 'B' (LHCS) TS 42342 'C' (HST) TS 42097 'D' (HST) TS 42377 'E' (LHCS) TSD 42374 'F' (LHCS) TGS 44021 'G' (HST)

XC03    TFD 41195 'A' (LHCS) TCC 45003 'B' (LHCS) TS 42370 'C' (LHCS) TS 42378 'D' (LHCS) TS 42036 'E' (HST) TSD 42376 'F' (LHCS) TGS 44052 'G' (HST)

XC04    TFD 41026 'A' (HST) TCC 45004 'B' (LHCS) TS 42051 'C' (HST) TS 42369 'D' (LHCS) TS 42375 'E' (LHCS) TSD 42366 'F' (LHCS) TGS 44012 'G' (HST)

 
Next XC02 GE(Wabtec)

 

Scotrail - currently in 2+4, with first 2+5 due by 'December'. Hornby offering two sets for either 2+4 or 2+5 and one release HST power car. 

 

Powercar

A - TGFB (formerly called by Wabtec as the TFC). Rebuilt from an ex-TF with a catering area and guards space. 
B - TSD (Wifi pods on roof)
C - TSB (B for Bike space)
D - TSL (with ‘butterfly' external door)

(Powercar - 2+4 sets)
E - TSL (2+5 GTi only with ‘butterfly' external door)

(Powercar - 2+5 sets)

 

HA20    TGFB 40616 'A'    TSD 42291 'B'    TSB 42577 'C'    TSL 42184 'D'
HA21    TGFB 40612 'A'    TSD 42055 'B'    TSB 42576 'C'    TSL 42276 'D'
HA22    TGFB 40608 'A'    TSD 42275 'B'    TSB 42571 'C'    TSL 42019 'D'
HA23    TGFB 40605 'A'    TSD 42345 'B'    TSB 42034 'C'    TSL 42075 'D'
HA24    TGFB 40604 'A'    TSD 42183 'B'    TSB 42559 'C'    TSL 42343 'D'
HA25    TGFB 40602 'A'    TSD 42292 'B'    TSB 42562 'C'    TSL 42045 'D'
HA26    TGFB 40601 'A'    TSD 42004 'B'    TSB 42561 'C'    TSL 42046 'D'
Next HA19 GE(Wabtec)

 

 

On 14/09/2019 at 15:01, 159220 said:

As for what to buy, we are waiting for Hornby to confirm!

 

For GWR in theory you need -

R3696 GWR, Class 43 HST, Power Cars 43093 'Old Oak Common - HST Depot 1976-2018' and 43016 or R3510 Class 43 HST, Power Cars 43 187 and Power Cars 43 188

(R3685 is not entirely suitable as 43 041 named "Meningitis Trust for Life" shall be de-named)

R4896 GWR, TGS Coach A

R4895 GWR, TSD Coach C

Uncertainty -

R4915 GWR, Mk3 TS Coach ?

R4915A GWR, Mk3 TS Coach ?

Or is it R4915C, Mk3 TS to be coach D?

 

Scotrail is not clear, as you do not need coach E for a 2+5. But no indication which TSLs shall be TSB and which TSL coaches D and E -

 

R3698 ScotRail, Class 43 HST, Power Cars 43033 and 43183

R4907 ScotRail, TGFB Coach A

R4891 ScotRail,  TSD Coach B

Uncertainty -

R4937 ScotRail, TS Coach C? I assume, as Hornby do not label this as a TSL, this is in fact a TSB and thus coach C?

R4890 ScotRail, TSL Coach ?

R4890A ScotRail,  TSL Coach ?

 

I do not know where to start, you need 2+7 for XC -

 

R3808 Cross Country, Class 43 HST, Power Cars 43357 and 43304

R4942 Cross Country Trains,  TFD Coach A

R4941 Cross Country Trains,  TCC Coach B

R4939 Cross Country Trains,  TSD Coach F

R4938 Cross Country Trains, TGS Coach G

Major Uncertainty -

R4940 Cross Country Trains, TS Coach ?

R4940A Cross Country Trains,  TS Coach ?

R4940B Cross Country Trains,  TS Coach ?

You shall need two different types of TS for XC. HST and ex-LHCS - looking at EPs they have tooled both types. 

 

But, there are many other coaches Hornby are producing and no clarity on what numbers match what! So I have not ordered to avoid a disaster of A-G all out of place!

 

On 19/01/2020 at 11:06, 43055 said:

The 2020 Hornby catalogue has vehicle numbers for each model except the Scotrail TSD's:

 

GWR:

TGS: 49104

TS: 48110, 48131

TSD: 48111

 

Formation being: 48110, 48111, 48131, 49104 (TS, TSD, TS, TGS) Set GW04?

 

Scotrail:

 

TS: 42561, 42562

TSL: 42046, 42045, 42343, 42184

TSD: No numbers on website, Not shown in catalogue.

TGFB: 40601, 40602

 

From this you can have two sets and two spare TSL's which could possibly be used to make a 5 car set:

TGFB, TSD, TS, TSL, (TSL)

HA25: 40602, 42292, 42562, 42045

HA26: 40601, 42004, 42561, 42046

 

Cross Country:

 

TGS: 44021, 44052

TCC: 45001, 45003

TFD: 41193, 41195

TSD: 42366, 42376, 42380, 42371

TS: 42342, 42097, 42377, 42370, 42378, 42036, 42051, 42369

 

From this you can make two sets and have a few spare vehicles:

TFD, TCC, TS, TS, TS, TSD, TGS

XC01: 41193, 45001, 42342, 42097, 42377, 42366, 44021

XC03: 41195, 45003, 42370, 42378, 42036, 42376, 44052

 

 

I believe these are the posts containing the best info so far.

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6 minutes ago, TomScrut said:

 

 

 

 

I believe these are the posts containing the best info so far.

 

I did look at these, it would be nice if maybe manufacturers would produce formation guide on products like these 

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Just now, Shaun66 said:

 

I did look at these, it would be nice if maybe manufacturers would produce formation guide on products like these 

 

It would! I think part of the issue is that it would seem that Hornby didn't know/want to release their running numbers until nearer the release date. I don't think the numbers were in the public domain until the 2020 catalogue, which it is worth noting came out after the coaches should have been here!

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Just now, TomScrut said:

 

It would! I think part of the issue is that it would seem that Hornby didn't know/want to release their running numbers until nearer the release date. I don't think the numbers were in the public domain until the 2020 catalogue, which it is worth noting came out after the coaches should have been here!

 

I have emailed Hornby regarding producing a formation guide just awaiting a response. Not knowing what is being produced is what is stopping me from pre-ordering. I know that most of the coaches where stilling converted at the time they where announced which is likely the reason behind the running numbers not being released.

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2 minutes ago, Shaun66 said:

 

I have emailed Hornby regarding producing a formation guide just awaiting a response. Not knowing what is being produced is what is stopping me from pre-ordering. I know that most of the coaches where stilling converted at the time they where announced which is likely the reason behind the running numbers not being released.

 

What exactly is it you're looking for? A full XC set?

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Just now, TomScrut said:

 

What exactly is it you're looking for? A full XC set?

 

I need a:

ScotRail set, which Derails has a guide on.

GWR set, which Gary has given the detail on

XC set, have been thinking about getting this livery

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36 minutes ago, Shaun66 said:

 

I need a:

ScotRail set, which Derails has a guide on.

GWR set, which Gary has given the detail on

XC set, have been thinking about getting this livery

 

Using 43055's info and the Hornby website:

 

XC sets:

 

TFD, TCC, TS, TS, TS, TSD, TGS

XC01: 41193 (R4942), 45001 (R4941), 42342 (R4940), 42097 (R4940A), 42377 (R4940B), 42366 (R4939), 44021 (R4938)

XC03: 41195 (R4942A), 45003 (R4941A), 42370 (R4940C), 42378 (R4940D), 42036 (R4940E), 42376 (R4939A), 44052 (R4938A)

 

Red stuff is filling gaps, which hopefully I will be able to verify in the catalogue in a few minutes (edited to show what's in the catalogue, but there are only 3 versions in the catalogue so not comprehensive info)

 

GWR and Scotrail I think are far simpler in their ways anyway TBH!

 

I think the rules are that if there are X amount of a particular coach type in a rake, then for rake N you go with X(N-1)+1 to XN for each car. With the number from the formula correlating to no suffix, A, B, C, D etc.

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19 minutes ago, TomScrut said:

 

Using 43055's info and the Hornby website:

 

XC sets:

 

TFD, TCC, TS, TS, TS, TSD, TGS

XC01: 41193 (R4942), 45001 (R4941), 42342 (R4940), 42097 (R4940A), 42377 (R4940B), 42366 (R4939), 44021 (R4938)

XC03: 41195 (R4942A), 45003 (R4941A), 42370 (R4940C), 42378 (R4940D), 42036 (R4940E), 42376 (R4939A), 44052 (R4938A)

 

Red stuff is filling gaps, which hopefully I will be able to verify in the catalogue in a few minutes (edited to show what's in the catalogue, but there are only 3 versions in the catalogue so not comprehensive info)

 

GWR and Scotrail I think are far simpler in their ways anyway TBH!

 

I think the rules are that if there are X amount of a particular coach type in a rake, then for rake N you go with X(N-1)+1 to XN for each car. With the number from the formula correlating to no suffix, A, B, C, D etc.

 

Many thanks for all the help Tom, is much appreciated 

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