Ceptic Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 34 minutes ago, dibber25 said: The original drawings were 12mm:1ft so they had to be reduced to one third - 331/3% but the guy doing reductions couldn't set the 1/3 so he did them to 33%. It was noticed at proof stage but, owing to the cost of re-shooting them all, it was never done. (CJL) Hello Chris. Some of my drawings were included in that book, and in the 'Constuctor' magazine previously. I took it upon myself to draw them (Pen and ink in those days) to 4mm. / 1ft. so there wouldn't need to be any re-scaling. All the best, Frank 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinTrucks Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 (edited) I have been unable so far to locate a photo of 2850 (later CWT13 and CC99013), the last surviving shorty Bulleid (now sadly broken up circa 1991) which may have assisted in this discussion on sidelight/window sizes: http://www.cs.rhrp.org.uk/se/CarriageInfo.asp?Ref=487 Please note the new home for the former HRA Carriage Survey. Martin Edited May 28, 2019 by MartinTrucks 'broken up' date added 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted May 28, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 28, 2019 Looking at the measurements was/is pointless then in a way. Never mind, as usual if the coaches look right then I'll be happy and just be thankful we are getting such detailed items. Phil 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 9 hours ago, MartinTrucks said: I have been unable so far to locate a photo of 2850 (later CWT13 and CC99013), the last surviving shorty Bulleid (now sadly broken up circa 1991) which may have assisted in this discussion on sidelight/window sizes: http://www.cs.rhrp.org.uk/se/CarriageInfo.asp?Ref=487 Please note the new home for the former HRA Carriage Survey. Martin There's a picture in one of the 'Southern Coaches / Southern Rolling Stock in Colour' books from Noodle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinTrucks Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 On 28/05/2019 at 11:22, Wickham Green said: There's a picture in one of the 'Southern Coaches / Southern Rolling Stock in Colour' books from Noodle. Thanks. I was looking for something online that I could share. However I did find the shot to which you refer in Mike King's SR Rolling Stock in Colour book. Sadly, it is taken from the stops end of a siding (probably at Horsham) with stock in the adjacent road and is not really suitable to enhance our discussion. I am sure that I have seen better on the web ...... Martin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuffed 1 Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 Here's another query, this time on that hardy perennial, livery. Hattons have a picture of R4888B which they state is a BTK and Era 4, even though it's in green, has BR numbering, and strengthening beading. Hopefully this isn't the green the coach will be supplied in as it is far too light for a coach repainted from Crimson & Cream circa 1958. With the beading it can't be a coach that has evaded crimson & cream (the work involved would surely require a repaint) unless it is of a coach that was repainted in early 1957 when presumably old stocks of malachite were used up. Or am I missing something? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Ian J. Posted May 31, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 31, 2019 Hattons have probably mislabelled the coach. Also, they've just used the pictures Hornby put out on the Engine Shed blog so, as H themselves have said, they aren't the final finished product. Hopefully these coaches will have the green as per their BR(S) Maunsell releases, I believe that's the right colour? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
45568 Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 An in-depth look at these in the new Hornby 'Signal Box' video. Cheers from Oz, Peter C. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
autocoach Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 SK seems a little detached from the Bulleid coaches. Almost like he doesn't "own" them. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilwell Park Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 Hi Where is " Lead en hall"? I always thought it was "leadnall". Roger 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuffed 1 Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 12 hours ago, autocoach said: SK seems a little detached from the Bulleid coaches. Almost like he doesn't "own" them. Maybe he hadn't done his homework, you know, read a couple of pages of Mike King? Certainly wasn't much of an attempt to sell them to a captive audience. Perhaps he was skating around the elephant in the room, who knows? One thing for sure, these are the 1945-65 'must-haves' of 2019. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trevor7598 Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 4 hours ago, Chuffed 1 said: Maybe he hadn't done his homework, you know, read a couple of pages of Mike King? Certainly wasn't much of an attempt to sell them to a captive audience. Perhaps he was skating around the elephant in the room, who knows? One thing for sure, these are the 1945-65 'must-haves' of 2019. I thought exactly the same thing. SK had no real input at all. It was almost as though he had never seen or been told about the coaches before hand, and no one had bothered to brief him about them before the ' interview '. Doesn't matter the coaches have sold themselves, can't wait. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sc2016 Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 On 07/03/2019 at 20:38, Oldddudders said: Our friend in California carefully notes that his layout is set in mid-1947. By then the Hornby coaches were about and being used on services like WoE to Padstow etc. The Bachmann coaches, with the 15” deep sliding top-vents, simply didn’t exist then. Hi, I meant off come back to you sooner to ask if you or someone else could help me by answering a few questions: How long was these short coaches used on the Padstow/ NCR line? Also when did the version Bachmann is producing appear on the Padstow/ NCR Line and how long for? Thanks, Samuel. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paftrain Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 On 01/06/2019 at 13:50, autocoach said: SK seems a little detached from the Bulleid coaches. Almost like he doesn't "own" them. I thought he was supposed to be a salesman! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Ian J. Posted June 3, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 3, 2019 Pure speculation on my part, but I suppose it's possible that Simon wasn't particularly involved in their development. Would their work have started before he came back on board? If so, then he may have found himself continuing a project that he perhaps wouldn't have commissioned. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinTrucks Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 On 02/06/2019 at 09:17, Gilwell Park said: Hi Where is " Lead en hall"? I always thought it was "leadnall". Roger Depends on whether or not one was born within the sound of Bow bells, old chap! Martin (One who was!) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted June 4, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 4, 2019 Maybe it's the filming of the interview that was wrong ? When you watch interviews, generally, the camera generally changes between the person asking the question, the person answering the question interlaced with close ups and cutaways of the subject. This was a 1 angle interview with the camera constantly rolling. I'm not even sure there was a script or if it was ad-hoc. Its hard to assess any of the three subjects from a remote distance shot, which looked like 1 take. When I spoke with Simon on the Bulleid's at Kernows Guildford shop opening, he was equally enthusiastic as everything else he was presenting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilwell Park Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 9 hours ago, MartinTrucks said: Depends on whether or not one was born within the sound of Bow bells, old chap! Martin (One who was!) I could not hear Bow Bells but I could hear the ships sirens from the docks at night when it was quiet. Also N7 on the Chingford line and freight up the Lea valley so was nearly there. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willie Whizz Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 (edited) With what seems like remarkable timing the following has recently appeared on the website for Southern Pride kits, http://www.southernpridemodels.co.uk under 'SPM News': "DUE TO BEING UNABLE TO GET NEW ACCURATE PRINTING OF OVERLAY SIDES WE HAVE DECIDED TO RE-INTRODUCE THE TWO RANGES OF KITS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN PRODUCED. SLIGHT PRICES RISES ARE IN FORCE, PLEASE CHECK THESE AND AVAILABILITY ON THE BULLEID PAGE". For those unfamiliar with these kits, the SPM Bulleids cover a wide range of the different types produced by the SR, so should allow realistic train formations to be modelled by those who wish to. This part of the manufacturer's range have been absent from the market for several years for 're-tooling', and I'm not entirely clear what the detailed significance of this wording is, but generally it seems like welcome news. I've not yet built one myself (I managed to acquire a Tavern Car a couple of years back, started but still incomplete, but only for lack of time); however if they're anything like the same supplier's BR Mark 1 coach kits, I made one several years ago and other than careful handling being required for the sides I found it not materially harder than, say, a Parkside wagon kit. Edited June 4, 2019 by Willie Whizz 1 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 Sounds like they're reintroducing something they know to be inaccurate .................. surely not something they'd want to shout about ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willie Whizz Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 I can't answer that. Perhaps one of our Southern experts has the knowledge to clarify what, if anything, the shortcomings of the original kits were? If not major, then most of us may be prepared to overlook minor deficiencies in order to get reasonable models of the more obscure variant types which Hornby (or Bachmann) are unlikely ever to produce. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
truffy Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 On 04/06/2019 at 10:22, adb968008 said: I'm not even sure there was a script or if it was ad-hoc. Given that SK apologised at the beginning for being late (something that the viewer would've been totally unaware of) and his curt "nope" when asked if there were any future developments that he could talk about, I'd hazard a guess that the whole interview was off-the-cuff and certainly uneditied. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted June 6, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 6, 2019 SK's performance was clearly unscripted, almost as if he'd been 'told' to get on with it without notice. Thoroughly unprofessional output that should not have been released. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
truffy Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 1 hour ago, Oldddudders said: Thoroughly unprofessional output that should not have been released. QFT Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 He mentioned the Short Bulleids entered service in the 30s - you'd think he would know his Maunsell from his Bulleid periods. I hear they are planning a rebuilt West Country in Maunsell Green 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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