Pteremy Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 Out of interest was the original chrome painted brown? Just checked a couple of Hawksworths and see that the same colour was used on GWR chocolate and cream and the BR Maroon versions. But maybe that is correct for Hawksworths/Western Region rather than a manufacturing choice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trevor7598 Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 10 hours ago, Pteremy said: Out of interest was the original chrome painted brown? Just checked a couple of Hawksworths and see that the same colour was used on GWR chocolate and cream and the BR Maroon versions. But maybe that is correct for Hawksworths/Western Region rather than a manufacturing choice. The short Bulleid coaches as modelled by Hornby always had bright chrome corridor handrails. How Hornby missed this feature and used brown, is beyond me. If you can find some photo's of the corridor side you'll see what I mean. They really stand out. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceptic Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 (edited) On 07/03/2019 at 22:28, trevor7598 said: These handrails, in Trevor's pic, look 'bright' enough to be chrome, as do those shown in Mike King's 'Illustrated History of Southern Coaches', Plates 139 (64'-6" BTK No.2882, SR livery), 141 (59' BTK No.S 2853 S, BR(S) Green livery) and Plate 142 (59' CK No.S 5715 S, BR(S) Green livery with Cream / Yellow 1st.class stripe). In the official SR photo, Plate 138, (CK No.5726, SR livery) the brightness of the handrails appears somewhat muted, more akin to it's Maunsell forebears, despite being photographed under direct lighting / bright sunlight. Edited May 10, 2019 by Ceptic Grammar and additional info. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big James Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 (edited) looks like the BR versions are now in coming soon to. Big James Edited May 13, 2019 by Big James Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RFS Posted May 14, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 14, 2019 (edited) On 08/05/2019 at 19:45, trevor7598 said: The short Bulleid coaches as modelled by Hornby always had bright chrome corridor handrails. How Hornby missed this feature and used brown, is beyond me. If you can find some photo's of the corridor side you'll see what I mean. They really stand out. Hornby's own website photo shows the chrome handrails. And I personally am old enough to remember travelling in them as a young lad and can clearly remember them as having been chrome. And if I remember rightly they were oval-shaped not round. Hornby Bulleid coaches Edited May 14, 2019 by RFS Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trevor7598 Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 1 hour ago, RFS said: Hornby's own website photo shows the chrome handrails. And I personally am old enough to remember travelling in them as a young lad and can clearly remember them as having been chrome. And if I remember rightly they were oval-shaped not round. Hornby Bulleid coaches Absolutely correct on all counts, Sir. You did well to recall that the handrails were oval. I think I had forgotten that. If Hornby have printed them brown, it's going to be a swine to correct. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ed 66 plant Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 I have short coach set 968 0n order and should arrive fairly soon.This is important to me because as yet I do not have a single bulleid coach on my BRSR layout. Is there anybody else out there who is equally eager to see the 64 feet versions progressing to a conclusion. Given the total lack of update from Bachmann I would not mind putting an upfront deposit on such models providing there is a realistic delivery time and of current quality/detail spec. The Bournemouth 6 car dining sets would be ideal for me. Are there many others with this real interest? regards, Ed ps --this is not part of an ongoing criticism of Bachmann--just reflecting models I would really appreciate. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigherb Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 2 hours ago, ed 66 plant said: Is there anybody else out there who is equally eager to see the 64 feet versions progressing to a conclusion. Given the total lack of update from Bachmann I would not mind putting an upfront deposit on such models providing there is a realistic delivery time and of current quality/detail spec. 2 I would be, but if they are going to be £80 a pop like the birdcages, I'll stick with the shorties. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Right Away Posted May 17, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 17, 2019 £80, they can keep them. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted May 17, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 17, 2019 5 hours ago, ed 66 plant said: I have short coach set 968 0n order and should arrive fairly soon.This is important to me because as yet I do not have a single bulleid coach on my BRSR layout. Is there anybody else out there who is equally eager to see the 64 feet versions progressing to a conclusion. Given the total lack of update from Bachmann I would not mind putting an upfront deposit on such models providing there is a realistic delivery time and of current quality/detail spec. The Bournemouth 6 car dining sets would be ideal for me. Are there many others with this real interest? regards, Ed ps --this is not part of an ongoing criticism of Bachmann--just reflecting models I would really appreciate. I have no issue with your reasoning, so getting Bachmann to get their 64’ (actually 63’6”) into production would be good. But this is the Hornby thread, and Hornby will not be doing the longer vehicles, period. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pre Grouping fan Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 4 hours ago, Right Away said: £80, they can keep them. Hornby's are a similar RRP to their Maunsell stock. Bachmann haven't released any info regarding their Bulleids yet. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trevor7598 Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 8 hours ago, Pre Grouping fan said: Hornby's are a similar RRP to their Maunsell stock. Bachmann haven't released any info regarding their Bulleids yet. Yes, it's a good job that Hornby's Bulleids are reasonably priced, relatively speaking, as three are required to make up a set ( unless you model 1967, when the survivors ran as loose vehicles ). I hope these coaches sell well, and encourage Hornby to produce more SR prototypes. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Right Away Posted May 18, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 18, 2019 1 hour ago, trevor7598 said: Yes, it's a good job that Hornby's Bulleids are reasonably priced, relatively speaking, as three are required to make up a set ( unless you model 1967, when the survivors ran as loose vehicles ). I hope these coaches sell well, and encourage Hornby to produce more SR prototypes. A "Nondescript" brake perhaps? 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trevor7598 Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 24 minutes ago, Right Away said: A "Nondescript" brake perhaps? An excellent suggestion!. And restriction 1 too, we haven't had any of these in RTR yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeoffBird Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 On 14/05/2019 at 00:34, Big James said: looks like the BR versions are now in coming soon to. Big James These coaches are now back on the Hornby "Coming soon" page, i.e. should be on the boat but there is a strange mixture of items being delivered it would seem. The four Brakes are in BR(S) livery whilst the two Composites are in SR livery. Can't think many people will be happy with this. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceptic Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 17 hours ago, Oldddudders said: I have no issue with your reasoning, so getting Bachmann to get their 64’ (actually 63’6”) into production would be good. But this is the Hornby thread, and Hornby will not be doing the longer vehicles, period. 63' - 6" Over Body Corners......64' - 6" Over Body Ends, same as BR Std. Mk.1s, to be precise and/or pedantic. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Right Away Posted May 19, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 19, 2019 "Off the Beaten Track?" As the 59 footers were generally associated with the Western Section (ex LSWR) routes, this poorly scanned picture of a 3 set shortie on a Central Section working in the early 60's (at Ashurst) might give some credence to those wishing to extend their range of operation in model form - when they become available. 6 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Right Away Posted May 20, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 20, 2019 For the members’ info, here’s another (sorry, poorly scanned photo of a set on the Central Section (Heathfield). (NB the exact “H” is modelled by Hornby) .... and finally a set on the Western Section. 11 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RFS Posted May 20, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 20, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Right Away said: For the members’ info, here’s another (sorry, poorly scanned photo of a set on the Central Section (Heathfield). (NB the exact “H” is modelled by Hornby) .... and finally a set on the Western Section. According to David Gould's "Bulleid's S.R. Steam Passenger Stock" sets 973-979 were transferred in 1961 to the Central Section for Oxted Line, Reading-Tonbridge, and Brighton-Horsham services. Starting in 1962 4 sets were extended to 8 coaches by the addition of 4 Maunsell seconds and a 64' Bulleid composite. 3 further sets were strengthened similarly in 1963. So there's plenty of scope for mixing these coaches with others. Plus these 8-coach sets were also used on through services to other regions so there's scope for non-SR layouts too.... Edited May 20, 2019 by RFS 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuffed 1 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 On 18/05/2019 at 09:28, trevor7598 said: An excellent suggestion!. And restriction 1 too, we haven't had any of these in RTR yet. While we're at it, perhaps a Restriction 0 set... or maybe some Ironclads even - according to SEMG's Coach Set database, four brake seconds, four seconds and a couple of FKs made it to 1963 on Special Traffic sets 432 and 433. The RCTS has a photo of SK 747 at Solihull in 1961. We can but dream... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 47 minutes ago, Chuffed 1 said: While we're at it, perhaps a Restriction 0 set... or maybe some Ironclads even - according to SEMG's Coach Set database, four brake seconds, four seconds and a couple of FKs made it to 1963 on Special Traffic sets 432 and 433. The RCTS has a photo of SK 747 at Solihull in 1961. We can but dream... ......... and a reminder- considering photo 1 above - that an R.T.R. U1 would be nice .............. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Right Away Posted May 20, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 20, 2019 8 hours ago, Wickham Green said: ......... and a reminder- considering photo 1 above - that an R.T.R. U1 would be nice .............. Oh yes, a "three-valver", come on Bachmann, hot cakes wouldn't stand a chance! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Ian J. Posted May 21, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 21, 2019 The front buffer beam of the U1 always looked butt ugly to me. I far prefer the U class. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Right Away Posted May 21, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 21, 2019 Agreed, the 2 cylinder Moguls had a neater looking appearance. However, I would risk suggesting the blunt front end and inclined cylinders (necessities brought about in order to house the inside engine of the U1/N1 classes) would make a very interesting distinction in model form. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 4 hours ago, Right Away said: Agreed, the 2 cylinder Moguls had a neater looking appearance. However, I would risk suggesting the blunt front end and inclined cylinders (necessities brought about in order to house the inside engine of the U1/N1 classes) would make a very interesting distinction in model form. Oddly those features were adopted in order to fit conjugated gear to drive the inside cylinder on the prototype N1 & K1 - but weren't strictly necessary when a third set of Walschaert's gear was fitted to the 'production' machines. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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