Wickham Green Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 7 hours ago, Jack P said: Mine has just recently landed on my bench, I'm struggling to get the glazing out, did you find there was any trick to it, or was it just brute force and something sharp? And for those in the know, should the SR one have a brown solebar? Yes solebars should be body colour on virtually everything before BR days : exceptions were steel solebars on the LNER and on LMS wagons built at Wolverton from sometime during WW2. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium ullypug Posted January 21, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 21, 2020 11 hours ago, Jack P said: Mine has just recently landed on my bench, I'm struggling to get the glazing out, did you find there was any trick to it, or was it just brute force and something sharp? And for those in the know, should the SR one have a brown solebar? I used a scalpel with 10a blade and just kept cutting and pushing until the glue give way. It is quite well fixed but you could see the glue seal breaking. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
truffy Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 I think I'm just going to try masking the windows. I have less chance of breaking something that way. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium stephennicholson Posted January 26, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 26, 2020 Picking up again on the colour of the vans during LSWR years, I noticed in the Feb edition of Railway Modeller (page 100) a picture of a brake van painted in colour closer to that of the Hornby colour. In the background is a wagon in the familiar dark brown. The article is about Semley (P4) and given the pedigree of the layout builders wondered if there are circumstances when a lighter brown was used. Unfortunately I cant read the writing on the side of the model to see if it had a special use. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin.divall Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 It’s a ballast brake van, correctly painted predominantly in red oxide - see mclong’s post on p8 above. C. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobbydoc Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 I have myself received the four LSWR/SR brake vans currently available, and whilst the goods brown did weather a bit lighter, the colour of Hornby's vans is definitely bauxite, and the solebars are black - this is LMS livery. Interestingly the latest Bachmann MR brake van in 'late LMS' livery is dark brown with brown solebars!! Have they been made in the same factory and the livery instructions got crossed?! LSW/SR goods brown was darker than the GWR brown used on passenger rated vans, and that is darker than the Hornby vans!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Graham_Muz Posted January 26, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 26, 2020 23 minutes ago, Cobbydoc said: I have myself received the four LSWR/SR brake vans currently available, and whilst the goods brown did weather a bit lighter, the colour of Hornby's vans is definitely bauxite, and the solebars are black - this is LMS livery. Interestingly the latest Bachmann MR brake van in 'late LMS' livery is dark brown with brown solebars!! Have they been made in the same factory and the livery instructions got crossed?! LSW/SR goods brown was darker than the GWR brown used on passenger rated vans, and that is darker than the Hornby vans!! Definitely not the same manufacturer as Bachmann’s only manufacturing facility is their parent company Kader and certainly not used by Hornby. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 This livery? https://railsofsheffield.com/products/27750/Bachmann-38-553a-oo-gauge-midland-20t-brake-van-lms-bauxite-without-duckets- It's correct for LMS. The lighter and slightly more orangey shade used by BR was based on the LNER interpretation of bauxite. I do think they possibly got mixed up somewhere along the line with these though. https://railsofsheffield.com/products/37347/Hornby-r6909-oo-gauge-br-exlms-d2068-20t-brake-van-no-m731456 Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack P Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 I spend a little tiume over the weekend stripping and repainting my BV. Still waiting for the right couplings and transfers, but i'm much happier with the colour. With some careful masking I was able to retain the red ends too. Were the lamp irons on the body supposed to be picked out in white? 6 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 15 hours ago, Cobbydoc said: ................... bauxite, and the solebars are black - this is LMS livery. ..................... Black solebars only appeared on the LMS during the war - and only on new-builds from Wolverton. Prior to the BR liveries, black solebars were rarely seen, otherwise, on anything but LNER steel-framed wagons ( this may have started with one of the LNER's predecessors - but steel/iron frames were less common back in them days ). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Brasher Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 You will be pleased to read in the review on pages 82 and 83 of the March 2020 Hornby Magazine that the main body colours of the LSWR and SR brake vans looked accurate when compared with contemporary images, 1 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 But then LSWR-contemporary colour film was notoriously unreliable .................................... 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Grifone Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 (edited) Actually quite true: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_photography I doubt anyone wasted it on brake vans however. Edited February 12, 2020 by Il Grifone 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 Loads of wagons in the background of colour photographs though. This book is full of them, as is the Colour Rail archive. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Big-Four-Colour-1935-50/dp/0906899621 So you can get a vague idea of what the colour should be like as long as you take conditions such as light and fading into consideration. Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 Indeed ........... backgrounds are a valuable source for all sorts of information. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Brasher Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 No review of the LSWR Warner brake van in the March 2020 Railway Modeller which is protected by a plastic bag so you cannot browse through it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack P Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 A couple of hours over the weekend saw transfers finally applied. I'm a big fan of this van, and will definitely pick up another. 12 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opelsi Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 4 hours ago, Jack P said: A couple of hours over the weekend saw transfers finally applied. I'm a big fan of this van, and will definitely pick up another. Now that does look the part. I would have kept mine had it looked like this in 'plain chocolate' rather than the 'milk chocolate' version I received. As it is, mine went back to Widnes for a refund. Hoping a subsequent release matches this - well done indeed! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garethp8873 Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 9 hours ago, Opelsi said: Now that does look the part. I would have kept mine had it looked like this in 'plain chocolate' rather than the 'milk chocolate' version I received. As it is, mine went back to Widnes for a refund. Hoping a subsequent release matches this - well done indeed! My two have now gone down for repainting into pre and post-36 SR liveries. Sadly I don't trust Hornby to rectify their error with the next lot of examples in SR livery. Hopefully I will be wrong but I just don't see them rectifying it in all honesty 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
truffy Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 15 hours ago, Jack P said: A couple of hours over the weekend saw transfers finally applied. I'm a big fan of this van, and will definitely pick up another. 1 hour ago, Garethp8873 said: My two have now gone down for repainting into pre and post-36 SR liveries. At least Hornby went above and beyond in including the routing placket (?) as a separate item, so that it only requires standard transfers to relivery. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 18 hours ago, Garethp8873 said: My two have now gone down for repainting into pre and post-36 SR liveries. Sadly I don't trust Hornby to rectify their error with the next lot of examples in SR livery. Hopefully I will be wrong but I just don't see them rectifying it in all honesty I don’t see it either. If the finish is changed, there will be criticism that the finish doesn’t match the earlier vans, so why go to the expense of changing? Hornby would sell me a couple if the finish were rectified. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Brasher Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 (edited) In Tim Rayner's review of the LSWR brake van on page 341 of the April Railway Modeller he said that the colour application is good, with no overspray. He goes on to say that "the shade of brown Hornby has chosen for the LSWR version is at variance (much too light a brown) with the colour swatch as provided by the HMRS as part of its Southern Style livery 'bible' on the company's rolling stock (see Books, Railway Modeller September 2015)." Perhaps, in the fullness of time, Hornby will produce the models in the correct shade of brown. Edited March 12, 2020 by Robin Brasher punctuation 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garethp8873 Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 One pre-36 and one post-36 LSWR Brake Van all sorted. Hopefully not have to wait long for these to come home... 3 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold greatcoleswoodhalt Posted April 24, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 24, 2020 On 13/01/2020 at 21:09, Graham_Muz said: It’s been noted and passed on (via a different route than I took after I first saw the initial livery samples last October)! Today's release of The Engine Shed shows that the shade of brown has been revised ahead of future release (though it isn't referred to in the accompanying text)! 4 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinTrucks Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 1 hour ago, jafcreasey said: Today's release of The Engine Shed shows that the shade of brown has been revised ahead of future release (though it isn't referred to in the accompanying text)! An improvement in colour but the solebars should be brown too! Martin 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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