Jack P Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, FelixM said: In the relevant thread it is said they are 18-pin DCC ready, not 21-pin. Ah my mistake - I suppose the number of pins aside, my point was more about a release of rolling stock with DCC capacity. Apologies for the off topic post. Edited October 8, 2019 by Jack P 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrymx5 Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 Interestingly on the Hattons coaches the additional cost is only £6 for lighting, which of course requires a DCC decoder. I would willingly pay an additional £6 for lighting in the LSWR brakevan. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozzer models Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 43 minutes ago, barrymx5 said: Interestingly on the Hattons coaches the additional cost is only £6 for lighting, which of course requires a DCC decoder. I would willingly pay an additional £6 for lighting in the LSWR brakevan. You will only need a decoder if you want to switch them off if not then they will work on both DC & DCC 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted October 12, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 12, 2019 (edited) On 08/10/2019 at 07:18, Right Away said: New bell code required - "Train passed with many tail lamps"!! The correct one to use for that would be "Stop and examine". I once received it for an HST with tail lamps allegedly not lit (they were just dirty) despite the pointy-end of the rear power car giving reasonable cause for suspecting that the train was complete. John Edited October 12, 2019 by Dunsignalling 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted October 12, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 12, 2019 2 hours ago, Dunsignalling said: The correct one to use for that would be "Stop and examine". I once received it for an HST with tail lamps allegedly not lit (they were just dirty) despite the pointy-end of the rear power car giving reasonable cause for suspecting that the train was complete. John Oddly enough, the same signalman at Clapham B that had called out the ridiculous extra brake-vans with lights, fell into a similar trap to the common-sense one you relate. Since 1933, the Brighton Belle had borne a tail-lamp, but circa 1971 it had a refit, which included provision of batteries, so it could now sport red roller-blinds instead. Said chap was not aware of this, sent Stop & Examine to Balham for the down service. On him reporting this to Control, I had to point out that the blinds were now authorised in a Section D Notice item. Collapse of stout party..... 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted October 13, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 13, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, Oldddudders said: Oddly enough, the same signalman at Clapham B that had called out the ridiculous extra brake-vans with lights, fell into a similar trap to the common-sense one you relate. Since 1933, the Brighton Belle had borne a tail-lamp, but circa 1971 it had a refit, which included provision of batteries, so it could now sport red roller-blinds instead. Said chap was not aware of this, sent Stop & Examine to Balham for the down service. On him reporting this to Control, I had to point out that the blinds were now authorised in a Section D Notice item. Collapse of stout party..... A bit of background for those not with railway training. Having too many red lamps, I was taught at Waterloo, was as bad as having none. It indicated someone not doing things properly and, therefore, one could not take it on trust that the rearmost lamp you were looking at had been the rearmost one when the train set out. Also, if the train subsequently became divided, there was a danger that it might go unnoticed if the "new" last vehicle happened to have a lamp on it (i.e. Sods Law was in action). Correct procedure was to stop the train [1] to obtain confirmation from the guard that his train was complete and [2] get him to remove the superfluous ones to avoid a repeat of the procedure further down the line. John Edited October 13, 2019 by Dunsignalling 2 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 On 13/10/2019 at 02:11, Dunsignalling said: Correct procedure was to stop the train [1] to obtain confirmation from the guard that his train was complete and [2] get him to remove the superfluous ones to avoid a repeat of the procedure further down the line. John ........... shouldn't [1] be to obtain confirmation that the guard was still attached to his train !!?! .... and then ....... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Graham_Muz Posted November 18, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 18, 2019 A couple of pics of the first livery samples can be seen on my Canute Road Quay layout here https://grahammuz.com/2019/11/18/canute-road-quay-making-an-appearance-at-the-warley-national-model-railway-exhibition-this-weekend-and-a-peek-at-the-Hornby-ex-lswr-dia-1543-20t-brake-van/ 3 1 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold NHY 581 Posted November 19, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 19, 2019 They look very nice, Graham. I take it these are imminent. Rob 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 13 minutes ago, NHY 581 said: They look very nice, Graham. I take it these are imminent. Rob It's a bit worrying, they didn't do anything for me at all Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold NHY 581 Posted November 19, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 19, 2019 1 hour ago, woodenhead said: It's a bit worrying, they didn't do anything for me at all I'm looking for a couple in BR grey for the Lamb Regis branch. Rob. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Brinkly Posted November 19, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 19, 2019 14 minutes ago, NHY 581 said: I'm looking for a couple in BR grey for the Lamb Regis branch. Rob. And very nice they will look too. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 14 hours ago, Graham_Muz said: A couple of pics of the first livery samples can be seen on my Canute Road Quay layout here https://grahammuz.com/2019/11/18/canute-road-quay-making-an-appearance-at-the-warley-national-model-railway-exhibition-this-weekend-and-a-peek-at-the-Hornby-ex-lswr-dia-1543-20t-brake-van/ Now, there was talk, at one time, of these appearing in 'bauxite' ( gawd 'elp us ) ....... these look to be a very 'Dairy Milk' chocolate brown rather than the 'Bournville' Hornby used for the cattle wagons ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
autocoach Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 (edited) Looks like a molded plastic color rather than painted. I was going to have to replace the large SR pre-1936 lettering on the two I have pre-ordered anyway so sounds like a full repaint. The dark brown used on the SR cattle wagons would have been much better. Cambrian dropped their SR Dia. 1543 kit so this is all that is on offer. Edited November 20, 2019 by autocoach 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrymx5 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 On 20/11/2019 at 05:45, autocoach said: Looks like a molded plastic color rather than painted. I will reserve judgement. Not easy to tell from a photo. Hopefully we will have a chance to see at Worley and make our own minds up. As I said earlier in this thread, I look forward to comparing with my scratch built decades old effort! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rembrow Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 According to today's Kernow Models newsletter, they have been advised by Hornby that a significant number of 2019 new releases will arrive before Christmas which includes the LSWR, SR and BR versions of the Warner brake van. The list also includes the LMS brake van types- happy Christmas. 1 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 On 06/12/2019 at 15:32, rembrow said: According to today's Kernow Models newsletter, they have been advised by Hornby that a significant number of 2019 new releases will arrive before Christmas which includes the LSWR, SR and BR versions of the Warner brake van. The list also includes the LMS brake van types- happy Christmas. I don't suppose Kernow made any predictions for their own LSWR goods brake which their website still had down for this year last time I looked ? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garethp8873 Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 17 minutes ago, Wickham Green said: I don't suppose Kernow made any predictions for their own LSWR goods brake which their website still had down for this year last time I looked ? Sadly not but when it comes, it comes. That is how I am looking at it. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium phil-b259 Posted December 10, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 10, 2019 (edited) On 19/11/2019 at 12:26, Wickham Green said: Now, there was talk, at one time, of these appearing in 'bauxite' ( gawd 'elp us ) ....... these look to be a very 'Dairy Milk' chocolate brown rather than the 'Bournville' Hornby used for the cattle wagons ! In the past I had presumed that the 'Dairy Milk' brown which appeared on various SR wagons from Hornby and Dapol was the result of the 'near enough' practices prevalent in the 1980s and earlier when it came to models. Given that Hornbys excellent SR cattle vans did come out in the darker 'Bournville' brown (except for the wagon floor which was curiously of the 'Dairy Milk' variety) then one would hope that if the SR did indeed apply the lighter brown to these brake vans and Hornby have the evidence to prove it. Perhaps one of our resident SR experts can help us out - because as it stands I agree the lighter brown is a mistake. Edited December 16, 2019 by phil-b259 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinTrucks Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 (edited) 8 hours ago, phil-b259 said: In the past I had presumed that the 'Dairy Milk' brown which appeared on various SR wagons from Hornby and Dapol was the result of the 'near enough' practices prevalent in the 1980s and earlier when it came to models. Given that Hornbys excellent SR cattle vans did come out in the darker 'Bournville' brown (except for the wagon floor which was curiously of the 'Dairy Milk' variety) then one would hope that the SR did indeed apply the lighter brown to these brake vans and Hornby have the evidence to prove it. Perhaps one of our resident SR experts can help us out - because as it stands I agree the lighter brown is a mistake. The SR wagon livery was derived directly from that of the LSWR, being dark chocolate brown with brake vans having blood red ends. This is confirmed by the colour lithograph sheet(s) produced by MERCO (Model Exhibition Railway Company) circa 1933 (photo attached). The initial Hornby coloured CADs intimates that they intended to produce the SR versions of the van in dark chocolate brown, one assumes as per their superb SR cattle wagons. As regards Hornby's livery sample of R6913A, SR 55009 in pre-1937 SR livery; this appears to be based on a black-and-white photo of the van taken in August 1937 by E.L.Scaife which appears on page 63 of volume one of 'An Illustrated History of Southern Wagons'. The photo is taken in bright sunshine and the brown may appear to be slightly pale. I did wonder momentarily whether it might be a representation of SR Engineer's red oxide, but of course 55009 is in traffic livery, so I now wonder whether some bright spark has attempted to obtain the 'correct' shade of SR brown by colorizing the photo and has cocked it up! I will doubtless buy at least one of these Hornby vans, but may put it off if my chocolate is not the right colour! BTW, I do not consider myself to be an expert on the subject. I have been involved in the preservation and restoration of SR wagons for 40 years and have learned much from many people (most of them on the old British Rail) but every day is still a school day! Edited December 11, 2019 by MartinTrucks 2 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 13 hours ago, phil-b259 said: ........... Hornbys excellent SR cattle vans did come out in the darker 'Bournville' brown (except for the wagon floor which was curiously of the 'Dairy Milk' variety) ......................... Like the floor/interior of the vast majority of wagons this would have been unpainted wood as any paint applied would soon disappear ......... the exception, presumably, would be the Bulleid window pressings used to line the ends of his cattle wagons. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rembrow Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 The Hornby website new arrivals, is now showing all versions of this brake van as having arrived. 3 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinTrucks Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 Does anyone have said van(s) in their possession yet? If so, pics would be appreciated. I know that there is no evidence of them being with retailers yet, but they have been on sale from Hornby for several days. Thanks. Martin 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium acg5324 Posted December 23, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 23, 2019 They arrived at Monk Bar Models in York today. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankee Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 (edited) I've never ordered anything from the Hornby site before, but seeing these were available and a promise of delivery before Xmas, I relented and ordered a R6913 SR, 24T Diag. 1543 Goods Brake Van, 55062 - Era 3.so I could run it on Pine Road for the Wimborne RS Open Day on Sat 28th. DPD delivery due this afternoon so will be running it on Sat. to probably replace the Pill Box on the daily Pine Road Pick up freight. Edited December 24, 2019 by Yankee 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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