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1 hour ago, Wheatley said:

Probably not so many 16 tonners on the harbour mind (!), just the odd tank of bunkering oil for the ferry (often left in the bay platform). Parkside don't do tanks though. 

 

Yeah the 16t would have been at the Stranraer Town Goods Yard.

 

There was normally a ferry oil tank wagon left in platform 1 (the Bay) and later I think a more elaborate set up over the other side of the pier.  It’s really hard to determine which oil tankers are suitable.  I guess the 5 planks would be unfitted grey in my period?  I guess everything would also be filthy! 

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I think the tankers were Esso but don't quote me on that just yet, I'll have a proper look later. The 14 tons or thereabouts black (Class B) should be ok, I've not found any of the larger 35 ton tankers in pics. 

 

By 1959 the modernisation plan was in full swing with BR fitting 10'0" wb vans and opens with vacuum brakes so fewer grey and more bauxite as your period gets closer to 1964. 

 

Not common on the harbour though, mostly vans and parcels stock on there. I've not found a lot of information out about what sort of traffic was actually handled at the harbour in that period apart from containers and ferry oil, all the non-ferry traffic went to Town of course. 

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8 hours ago, Wheatley said:

I think the tankers were Esso but don't quote me on that just yet, I'll have a proper look later. The 14 tons or thereabouts black (Class B) should be ok, I've not found any of the larger 35 ton tankers in pics. 

 

By 1959 the modernisation plan was in full swing with BR fitting 10'0" wb vans and opens with vacuum brakes so fewer grey and more bauxite as your period gets closer to 1964. 

 

Not common on the harbour though, mostly vans and parcels stock on there. I've not found a lot of information out about what sort of traffic was actually handled at the harbour in that period apart from containers and ferry oil, all the non-ferry traffic went to Town of course. 

 

From the reading I have done...

 

milk tankers travelled over in the fifties to bring milk due to post war shortages 

 

cattle to the lairage

 

tractors and cars being taken across to N.Ireland- there are lots of pictures with tractors lined up for delivery

 

parcels containers and perishables.  I’ve added fruit stock? (I do not know of this is prototypical)

 

Thats good news on the tanker as mine is a black B 14ton wagon :) 

 

I keep meaning to contact the Stranraer historical association and visit Stranraer (I’ve promised my wife a romantic trip to Stranraer) but lockdown landed...

 

 

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Thank you :-) I confess I keep forgetting about the Glasgow line, my research has mostly been concerned with what was likely to go through Newton Stewart !

 

Yes, lots and lots of NPCCS of all shapes and sizes, I wouldn't be surprised at fruit vans but they aren't easy to spot in the background of photos mixed in with ordinary 12 ton vans and of course there is no way of telling whether they are in fruit traffic or general merchandise unless they are in multiples. I'd forgotten about the tractors, later on in the 60s there are photos of the morning Stranraer-Glasgow goods being double-headed through Ayrshire (Std5 + Black 5 or BRCW Type 2 + Black 5) with long rakes of BR CCTs in the consist, presumably the empties going back north. Milk tankers are interesting, I know road tankers came across post war but I suspect that all went north to Glasgow. I've only found one photo of a tanker on the Port Road proper so far, not including various shenanigans around Dumfries involving condensed/powdered milk for the Carnation factory at Maxwelltown. By the 1960s Glasgow was self sufficient in milk from the surrounding area, Kahedron put me on to an Aberdeen area - Dumfries flow of pre-condensed milk for the Carnation factory which appears to be what various photos of milk tanks on the Lockerbie branch are all about. Most of the dairy traffic in Galloway by the 60s appears to have been cheese and margarine in vans rather than milk tanks, although there is mention of 'cream in churns' as late as 1960 so presumably a very specialised flow. 

 

A romantic break in Stranraer ? Erm ... yes. The Royal Botanic Gardens at Port Logan are worth a trip. I called in at the industrial estate which used to be Edingham Munitions Factory at Dalbeattie once in the middle of a weekend break with my wife. There was a NATO exercise going on along the coast and there was this really cool looking Land-Rover parked up in the corner so I went to take a photo. She wasn't expecting to have a rifle pointed at her and V signs flicked at us, really secret Land-Rover as it turns out. 

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1 minute ago, Legend said:

Romantic break in Stranraer ................one of the funniest things I've heard in a while!

 

Not so dissimilar, that well known resort of Fishguard/ Goodwick  was once frequented by this contributor, and it was found to be spectacularly underwhelming in that regard!  When I've visited Holyhead in recent years, work-related, it's reinforced my view of these settlements as little more than serviced transit hubs.  

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Then some random wagons...

 

Which caused the aforementioned fish to turn abit fruity.

 

Which led to the resin clan being 3/4 finished...

 

Finally a shot of the bunkering oil tanker wagon!

 

I’ve ordered a Parklife Vanwide..

 

Anyone got any suggestions for wagons/things I need to add?

 

Loco wise I need another Jubilee body to make 45596 into 45691... or 45687...

 

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A Highland gathering!

 

6MT Clan 72005 says hello to fellow 12A Kingmoor stable mate 72008.

 

72005 is wearing C Headcodes for a parcel train to Dumfries..

 

72008 is still wearing the headboard from this mornings ‘down’ Boat Train and XP head codes

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6 minutes ago, lmsforever said:

This layout keeps looking better every post what you need now is a ferry think your children will love to load and unload it!

 

I’d certainly have to remortgage :)

 

Yes a Ferry would be awesome!

 

I’m planning more yard lamps in the run up to Christmas then sorting the loco fleet into relevant loco numbers...

 

Thank you for the comments.  I look at many of the layouts on RMWEB and realise how mediocre my efforts are! 

 

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8 hours ago, 'CHARD said:

 

Not so dissimilar, that well known resort of Fishguard/ Goodwick  was once frequented by this contributor, and it was found to be spectacularly underwhelming in that regard!  When I've visited Holyhead in recent years, work-related, it's reinforced my view of these settlements as little more than serviced transit hubs.  

 

I went there on holiday years back.  It’s such a shame the once huge siding complex has gone... we had a nice holiday though :) 

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A busy late summer evening in 1963 or 1964 or even early summer 1965...

 

6MT Clan 72008 gently warms its stock.    The passengers are just settling into their carriages.  The ‘UP’ N.Irishman will arrive at Euston tomorrow morning.  The Clan will come off at Carlisle and a 7MT will complete the journey southward.  

 

The Boat Train to Glasgow has a STD 5MT in charge.  This is quite a long train tonight.  It’s all BR Mk.1 stock as the Class 126’s are having some fettling...

 

A Stanier 5MT rests at the head of the local stopper. This is a much shorter service of ex LMS stock.

 

The Crab and 6MT 72005 will take their respective parcels and fitted freights as soon as the passenger turns have cleared. 

 

Pressure from the railway supporting MP’s has grown and the Port Road May be saved...

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21:30 Hrs Friday Somethingth of July 1964...

 

First to depart is the Glasgow ‘Irishman’  

 

Ably headed by STD 5MT 73079

 

The bus driver has stopped to have a look.  He may have actually just dumped the bus there...

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On 09/10/2020 at 11:48, 26power said:

As said, a slippery slope although quite a few of the Parkside range are also now available RTR.

 

I don’t recall seeing pictures of fish trains or vans at Stranraer and I don’t think it has a history of being a fishing port, although I have’t researched it.  However, it is your layout!  I wonder if Portpatrick might have been more for fishing, I  think it still has a bit today?  If you are imagining the line from there to Stranraer still being open for your layout then perhaps an option would be to have a fish van or two from there being brought down to your harbour station to be added to a passenger train, rather than having a specific fish train?  These presumably only really ran from major fishing ports.
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Or there is the Five79 range ( was Chivers Finelines).  There is a topic on this forum for it.  The LMS 6 wheel fish van, when it is available again might be of interest, see: https://five79.co.uk/4mm-Standard-Gauge-Kits/.

 

 

Six-wheel fish van to the rear of this goods train - no saying it's actually carrying seafood but certainly seen on the PP&W and there's all the justification you could want:

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As for Stranraer - was pleasantly surprised when I took a wander round town a few months ago, the town centre much healthier than I expected.  The station and harbour are rather sad looking though.  Plenty of nice villages and coastline nearby too, just make sure you get the weather right.

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Interesting picture!  It shows the volume of freight that was carried on the line :)

 

Definitely one to relocate although with the open wagons it’s probably a Stranraer Town freight but I could be wrong :) 

 

 A very busy young family/work balance means there can be a delay in running/playing trains....

 

Thankfully the time table helps keep things on track! 

 

22:00 Sees 6MT Clan 72008 pull away with the UP ‘N.Irishman’.  Sleepers to the fire as they will arrive that end in Euston...

 

Now I could be wrong but I think a Buffet was added to the rear at Carlisle when the 7MT Britannia took over? 

 

(I have no idea why RMWEB messes the order of images up) 

 

 

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