danstercivicman Posted December 4, 2020 Author Share Posted December 4, 2020 6 hours ago, Silver Sidelines said: I am not knowing - but might there be two rakes which changed over at the weekend to allow one to be cleaned and serviced? You are correct, all sorts of adaptors to fit ex LNER coaches to Mk1s. I do believe there were similar issues when the MetroCammel Pullmans were introduced and had to be topped and tailed with older Pullmans or Gresley BGs. Cheers Ray Hello, yes I think so. I’m using rake 1 for the 04:00 arrival. This then gets run back to the carriage sidings at Stranraer Town from where it gets cleaned. This is used for the 13:40-Newcastle. Rake 2 then arrives at 14:06. That becomes the stock for the 21:30 after cleaning and servicing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danstercivicman Posted December 4, 2020 Author Share Posted December 4, 2020 A summer Saturday morning in 1963. 6P Jubilee 45738 of 12A Carlisle Kingmoor on the Friday night 23:45pm from Newcastle to Stranraer via Carlisle arrives at 04:09 am. Nine minutes behind schedule... BR 6MT 72008 of 12A Carlisle Kingmoor on the Down N.Irishman at 05:28am... I’m gradually adding corridor gangway connectors to my coaching rakes! 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danstercivicman Posted December 4, 2020 Author Share Posted December 4, 2020 There is quite a difference in the Hornby coaches- they seem very underscale when next to the Bachmann mk.1’s. The Bachmann Thompson ck is also higher than the other Bachmann Thompson’s... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Sidelines Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 (edited) 12 hours ago, danstercivicman said: There is quite a difference in the Hornby coaches- they seem very underscale when next to the Bachmann mk.1’s. The Bachmann Thompson ck is also higher than the other Bachmann Thompson’s... Good Morning Dan There are three ages of Bachmann Thompsons: Early, quite early and the later super detail. They all have different ride heights. This Post I wrote earlier might help: For those of us with the luxury of large radius curves Bachmann Mk1s can be close coupled using Hornby R8220 (preferred) or Bachmann short cranked couplings, in both cases doing away with the need for additional corridor connectors. Again there is an old Post: Cheers Ray Edited December 5, 2020 by Silver Sidelines 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danstercivicman Posted December 5, 2020 Author Share Posted December 5, 2020 Finally I’ve finished the Parcels rake: 3x Van Ex LMS 50ft Unknown Lima CCT? GUV Ex LMS CCT? Thompson BG Ex LMS 50Ft 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danstercivicman Posted December 5, 2020 Author Share Posted December 5, 2020 (edited) More impressive is the sheer grunt of the Hunslet! Edited December 5, 2020 by danstercivicman 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danstercivicman Posted December 5, 2020 Author Share Posted December 5, 2020 (edited) 9 hours ago, Silver Sidelines said: Good Morning Dan There are three ages of Bachmann Thompsons: Early, quite early and the later super detail. They all have different ride heights. This Post I wrote earlier might help: For those of us with the luxury of large radius curves Bachmann Mk1s can be close coupled using Hornby R8220 (preferred) or Bachmann short cranked couplings, in both cases doing away with the need for additional corridor connectors. Again there is an old Post: Cheers Ray I’be used the Bachmann hose type coach connectors and the card corridor connectors- they work well. Do you think I should paint all my coach lids nato black? I prefer the look but Bachmann Mk.1 coaches are very well made so I’m reluctant to spoil them... Edited December 5, 2020 by danstercivicman Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wheatley Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 (edited) Nice. Your first 'unknown Lima CCT' is an LMS 42' parcels and luggage van, could be coded CCT or GUV depending on who was painting it. Your 'ex LMS CCT?' Is a SR parcels and miscellaneous van, PMV. The 12t vans in parcels trains were a side effect of the LMR habitually diagramming more vehicles that it actually had available, and relying on vans and other vehicles 'borrowed' from other regions. Edited December 5, 2020 by Wheatley 2 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danstercivicman Posted December 5, 2020 Author Share Posted December 5, 2020 6 minutes ago, Wheatley said: Nice. Your first 'unknown Lima CCT' is an LMS 42' parcels and luggage van, could be coded CCT or GUV depending on who was painting it. Your 'ex LMS CCT?' Is a SR parcels and miscellaneous van, PMV. The 12t vans in parcels trains were a side effect of the LMR habitually diagramming more vehicles that it actually had available, and relying on vans and other vehicles 'borrowed' from other regions. Thank you There is a picture of the PMV in a book coupled up to some coaches and a BG I think. The Dapol PMV is not bad but it needed the weight removing otherwise it became a dead weight on the coaching stock. I’ve now completed my freight/parcels and coaching stock so the next big project will be to build the Class 126 kit! Then next year I’ll need to build three more unpowered Class 126’s so I can run a six car set. I’ve finished the 1964 timetable so I can run trains from Friday AM to Sat Night!!! Working signals and yard lights next year. Scenic corner extension 2022... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Sidelines Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 1 hour ago, danstercivicman said: I’be used the Bachmann hose type coach connectors and the card corridor connectors- they work well. Do you think I should paint all my coach lids nato black? I prefer the look but Bachmann Mk.1 coaches are very well made so I’m reluctant to spoil them... Nato Black - an interesting thought. Does it come as a water colour that in the future could be washed off? I see further down that the new Year is going to be busy 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danstercivicman Posted December 6, 2020 Author Share Posted December 6, 2020 7 hours ago, Silver Sidelines said: Nato Black - an interesting thought. Does it come as a water colour that in the future could be washed off? I see further down that the new Year is going to be busy Very! No it’s pretty permanent I used either Vallejo tyre black or Tamiya nato Black. It does seem from pictures that BR coach lids were quite drab! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Nick C Posted December 6, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 6, 2020 15 hours ago, Wheatley said: Nice. Your first 'unknown Lima CCT' is an LMS 42' parcels and luggage van, could be coded CCT or GUV depending on who was painting it. Your 'ex LMS CCT?' Is a SR parcels and miscellaneous van, PMV. The 12t vans in parcels trains were a side effect of the LMR habitually diagramming more vehicles that it actually had available, and relying on vans and other vehicles 'borrowed' from other regions. I think the Southern van is a CCT - I think I can see end doors in the photos. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wheatley Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 Oops ! Yes, now I've blown the photo up a bit you're right. CCT. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
26power Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 On 06/12/2020 at 05:25, danstercivicman said: Very! No it’s pretty permanent I used either Vallejo tyre black or Tamiya nato Black. It does seem from pictures that BR coach lids were quite drab! Coach “lids”? Do you mean roofs? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danstercivicman Posted December 9, 2020 Author Share Posted December 9, 2020 4 hours ago, 26power said: Coach “lids”? Do you mean roofs? Yes, but I couldn’t work the plural out so I used lids! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
26power Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 1 hour ago, danstercivicman said: Yes, but I couldn’t work the plural out so I used lids! At least you din't use "rooves"! Black doesn't seem appropriate, better with various shades of grey. Same for goods vans. I think you can get tins/jars of "roof grey" but that is maybe for new or overhauled stock. Maybe best looking at colour albums or on Flickr. Some examples I have saved on the latter (coincidental that some are Port Road!): Newton Stewart Crossmichael (there is also a shot of this train approaching, if anyone interested in the self weighing tender!) Kirkcudbright branch A few more goods orientated ones: Kyle of Lochalsh Elliot junction. Hope this helps gets you started down this particular rabbit hole! 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danstercivicman Posted December 9, 2020 Author Share Posted December 9, 2020 16 minutes ago, 26power said: At least you din't use "rooves"! Black doesn't seem appropriate, better with various shades of grey. Same for goods vans. I think you can get tins/jars of "roof grey" but that is maybe for new or overhauled stock. Maybe best looking at colour albums or on Flickr. Some examples I have saved on the latter (coincidental that some are Port Road!): Newton Stewart Crossmichael (there is also a shot of this train approaching, if anyone interested in the self weighing tender!) Kirkcudbright branch A few more goods orientated ones: Kyle of Lochalsh Elliot junction. Hope this helps gets you started down this particular rabbit hole! Great pictures Yes NATO black is a mix between dark grey and black- quite a faded colour. It looks spot on for most of the coaches Interesting the variety of freight roofs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
26power Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 7 minutes ago, danstercivicman said: Great pictures Yes NATO black is a mix between dark grey and black- quite a faded colour. It looks spot on for most of the coaches Interesting the variety of freight roofs. No problem. Ah, I read "black" too literally. Would be interesting to see what it looks like when you do one. Another thing is to very subtly vary the colour on each one. Either by painting or subsequent weathering. As shown on the Kyle and NS pictures. I want to say the Kirkcudbright one is at the "black" end of the scale whilst the Crossmichael one is more typical but that is just what I have in my head. You also need to bear in mind the vagaries of colour films, scanning of slides and computer monitor colour balances etc. I had fewer decent examples saved on Flickr than I thought - a lot of B&W pictures and of good stock, locos, Edinburgh and D&G locations etc. but not many colour views of coaches. Robert Carroll's and John Turner's Flickr sites are pretty good for rolling stock views, after all it doesn't need to be your particular vehicles, just those in your chosen era. Robert Carroll. John Turner. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danstercivicman Posted December 10, 2020 Author Share Posted December 10, 2020 10 hours ago, 26power said: At least you din't use "rooves"! Black doesn't seem appropriate, better with various shades of grey. Same for goods vans. I think you can get tins/jars of "roof grey" but that is maybe for new or overhauled stock. Maybe best looking at colour albums or on Flickr. Some examples I have saved on the latter (coincidental that some are Port Road!): Newton Stewart Crossmichael (there is also a shot of this train approaching, if anyone interested in the self weighing tender!) Kirkcudbright branch A few more goods orientated ones: Kyle of Lochalsh Elliot junction. Hope this helps gets you started down this particular rabbit hole! The cattle trucks and parcels traffic pictures here are very interesting. It looks a lot like some of the train formations I’ve composed... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 31A Posted December 10, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 10, 2020 On 06/12/2020 at 05:25, danstercivicman said: Very! No it’s pretty permanent I used either Vallejo tyre black or Tamiya nato Black. It does seem from pictures that BR coach lids were quite drab! I usually use Humbrol 32 or 67, I think 67 is slightly more "blue", or if I'm feeling extravagant Railmatch Roof Dirt (but that's very similar to the Humbrols). 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danstercivicman Posted December 10, 2020 Author Share Posted December 10, 2020 Here is the nato black (on the ex LMS coaches)... it’s a bit of a fanciful scene with the 2P but I like the 2P’s 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Sidelines Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, danstercivicman said: Here is the nato black (on the ex LMS coaches)... it’s a bit of a fanciful scene with the 2P but I like the 2P’s Yes the coaches look good. I guess the roof colour would have been made up of six parts soot and four parts red oxide from brake dust, or any permutation you fancy? Remind me why the 2P is fanciful? Is it just a case of the 2P and Heljan model would not have existed together? The 2Ps were still in evidence at the Dumfries end of the line in 1961/2. Cheers Ray Edited December 10, 2020 by Silver Sidelines 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danstercivicman Posted December 10, 2020 Author Share Posted December 10, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Silver Sidelines said: Yes the coaches look good. I guess the roof colour would have been made up of six parts soot and four parts red oxide from brake dust, or any permutation you fancy? Remind me why the 2P is fanciful? Is it just a case of the 2P and Heljan model would not have existed together? The 2Ps were still in evidenc at the Dumfries end of the line in 1961/2. Cheers Ray Cheers Its on the 15:50 from Stranraer Town but it’s starting from the Station today slight adjustment to the schedule... You inspired me with your mainline 2P blog Hopefully I’ve managed to recreate a prototype formation anyway! Edited December 10, 2020 by danstercivicman 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danstercivicman Posted December 12, 2020 Author Share Posted December 12, 2020 (edited) Saturday afternoon July 25th 1964 The 13:30 Glasgow Boat Train rattled away in Platform 2. This will be the Class 126 when I build it!!! For now a Class 110 has to do The 13:40 Newcastle (via Carlisle) sits in Platform 3. 73079 is in charge and it’s Gresley stock to the fore behind a horsebox with a prize racehorse inside It will arrive in Newcastle at 18:37. A B1 will take over at Carlisle... Meanwhile goods and parcels are busy being sorted for the sailings! Edited December 12, 2020 by danstercivicman 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danstercivicman Posted December 12, 2020 Author Share Posted December 12, 2020 The Station guttering needs addressing along with a small canopy over the loading bay. This I think would have been for a horse cab to fit into maybe? I haven’t followed the Station building plans very well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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