Rail-Online Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 (edited) Hi, Found this interesting train in a 1967 neg and although I was aware that the LYR and POs built these Box coal wagons for loading bunkerage coal into steam powered trawlers and ships, I assumed that they would be extinct by the 1950s. these look like a new build ( or recent re-body) Were there many of them and on what traffic would they be used in this period? When were they withdrawn? Tony Should have said, neg taken at Farrington Preston, Dec 1967 Edited December 27, 2018 by Rail-Online 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 The LMS had built some wagons to carry similar containers just before WW2; they were intended to carry roadstone. However, these carried four skips, not three. Given where the photo was taken, they could be ex-works from Horwich. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
45125 Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 (edited) The LMS had built some wagons to carry similar containers just before WW2; they were intended to carry roadstone. However, these carried four skips, not three. Given where the photo was taken, they could be ex-works from Horwich. They look very much like Denparts, a dmu engine in each outer container and two gear boxes in the centre container. Edited December 28, 2018 by 45125 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
david.hill64 Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 BR's Horwich foundry was also the supplier of cast iron brake blocks, thousands of which were used by BR every month. Perhaps the boxes could contain these? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 BR's Horwich foundry was also the supplier of cast iron brake blocks, thousands of which were used by BR every month. Perhaps the boxes could contain these? They might do, though most deliveries of brake blocks I saw were in either 16t Minerals or 13t steel-bodied Highs. The same wagons would eventually return with used ones for re-melting. Though there is some resemblance to the Denparts, the boxes on the latter were semi-permanently attached. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted December 28, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 28, 2018 (edited) Note that the centre box is smaller than the other two, suggesting that they were intended to carry a standard combination of specific items. That would rule out any mineral or other commodity traffic, I'd think, and probably the brake blocks, too. The provision of dedicated wagons implies that the traffic was expected to be long-term and regular in order to justify the investment. Also that the load was too valuable, delicate or awkward to handle/secure to allow the use of standard open wagons or vans. The engines and gearboxes cited in 45125's post sound the most likely of the suggestions so far. John Edited December 29, 2018 by Dunsignalling Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 One point- how were the boxes secured? I can see no evidence of ropes or chains. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 Definitely Denparts. https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/denpartzrv Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
great central Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 Sorry, pedant mode, but EMU engines??? Mentioned in two separate posts above! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
45125 Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 Sorry, pedant mode, but EMU engines??? Mentioned in two separate posts above! Spell check plus a few Hobgoblins lol. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold rodent279 Posted December 31, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 31, 2018 (edited) Sorry, pedant mode, but EMU engines??? Mentioned in two separate posts above! Early bi-mode experiment? :-) Edited December 31, 2018 by rodent279 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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