90rob Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 On 11/03/2019 at 15:46, JSpencer said: Now I am surprised to see you say the new cannot run as slow as the old - though maybe it is early days and the new is not run in yet. It is a safe bet that the Rails version will use the same design of drive as the Dapol B4 was is almost unbeatable for slowness. Now run in and much better. I should have realised - the running characteristics of the new terrier are almost identical to those of the M7. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigherb Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 4 hours ago, Forester said: Silver coupling rods! ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rising Standards Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 That's the loco's power classification in the system adopted by BR from the LMS (and prior to that the Midland Railway, I believe). 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyram Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 Spot the difference publicity shot v final model Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted March 16, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 16, 2019 20 minutes ago, andyram said: Spot the difference publicity shot v final model The dome on your picture looks to have a very slight taper to it - is it a separate item or is it integral with the boiler? (could just be teh angle of the camera of course). the gloss finish of some areas has also gone but perhaps no bad thing and of course the copper chimney capping has also gone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyram Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 41 minutes ago, The Stationmaster said: The dome on your picture looks to have a very slight taper to it - is it a separate item or is it integral with the boiler? (could just be teh angle of the camera of course). the gloss finish of some areas has also gone but perhaps no bad thing and of course the copper chimney capping has also gone. Not what I was referring to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-BOAF Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 no shiny chimney cap. Also the dome taper was mentioned in the BBC4 documentary. They said on the program they were going to fix it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Alder Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 The lining and numbering look better in the sample . 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGR Hooper! Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 16 hours ago, Forester said: Silver coupling rods! We're back to the 1970s. Has anyone ever seen a silver coupling rod? Newly milled? Polished for a museum? Stewarts Lane couldn't make them look silver. They didn't even chrome plate a set for 45552. Why? It's not even half as bad as you make it out to seem. You're probably looking at what's quite obviously CAD renderings. The production models do have silver coupling rods but they aren't anywhere near as hideous as you paint them out to be. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGR Hooper! Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 6 hours ago, andyram said: Spot the difference publicity shot v final model The CAD rendering shows a brass capped chimney. The production model doesn't have it. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyram Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 3 hours ago, MGR Hooper! said: The CAD rendering shows a brass capped chimney. The production model doesn't have it. Spot on. Already caused me some issues with customers who saw the production pics and assumed the model would have have the brass cap chimney. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Right Away Posted March 17, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 17, 2019 Lack of chimney adornment to my mind is no bad thing. On receipt of any new model, I like many, begin the process of "weathering" by varying degrees to represent an authentic working example. Personally, a shiny, out of the box condition model, be it locomotive, coach or wagon, once on the track has more visual detraction than some minor imperfection. This is not to suggest weathering should compensate for inaccuracies in the manufacturing process. A good many people are perfectly happy with the condition of their models as purchased and would not wish to risk alterations of any kind. Having now seen a new Hornby model A1X in the flesh alongside my H, P, M7 and E4 classes, I am happy to note there is nothing that shouts "drastic improvement required". Sure, protective bars on the rear cab windows would have been nice, as would an optional spark arrestor for possible Hayling Island modellers; perhaps these details might be taken on board in the Dapols/Rails model. One speculates, would the new Hornby model have come under such close scrutiny followed by the furore fueled by the James May TV programme if there had never been the forthcoming Dapol/Rails version in the offing? For its price, the Hornby model has very few niggles and those that have been noted would probably been accepted as a costing factor. For people on a budget the Hornby model represents exceedingly good value. We can now look forward to the release of the Dapol/Rails locomotive which hopefully will bring some pleasant surprises, maybe even a reduction in price! 3 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted March 17, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 17, 2019 12 hours ago, andyram said: Not what I was referring to. So what were you referring to Andy - clearly not the chimney as I mentioned it. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wainwright1 Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 Hi All. It looks very nice to me. I have seen these in the flesh and they look very good. I think that my local supplier has virtually sold out of the first one. I note that the second black BR one and the Kent and East Sussex one are due next week, the latter of which I have ordered. As a matter of interest, can anyone who has a Southern Electric layout with the Peco third rail fitted tried a new Terrier on their layout and does the brake gear rodding foul the third rail ? The old Dapol/Hornby one used to ride on the conductor rail which was a pain. All the best Ray Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Right Away Posted March 17, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 17, 2019 56 minutes ago, wainwright1 said: As a matter of interest, can anyone who has a Southern Electric layout with the Peco third rail fitted tried a new Terrier on their layout and does the brake gear rodding foul the third rail ? The old Dapol/Hornby one used to ride on the conductor rail which was a pain. Hi Ray, conductor rail clearance is no problem; see quick iPhone photo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyram Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 4 hours ago, The Stationmaster said: So what were you referring to Andy - clearly not the chimney as I mentioned it. Yes the brass chimney is missing. My apologies for not reading your post carefully enough. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
9402 Fredrick Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 Well the lack of copper chimnies is not inaccurate to the BR examples as all coloured pics of 32636 and 32655 don't have them so I don't think it's an issue. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted March 17, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 17, 2019 37 minutes ago, 9402 Fredrick said: Well the lack of copper chimnies is not inaccurate to the BR examples as all coloured pics of 32636 and 32655 don't have them so I don't think it's an issue. Perhaps not an issue in terms of what the loco portrays but it was shown on the sample image and the production b version is different from the sample. That I think is the point made by Andyram - that the sample image gave an impression of what could be expected (which might have influenced some purchasers?) but what was delivered did not match the sample, even if it was correct. If a shop had received advance orders on the basis of the sample image from folk who didn't know the real engine in that livery and condition then they might well have been sufficiently disappointed to cancel their order. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dibber25 Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 14 minutes ago, The Stationmaster said: Perhaps not an issue in terms of what the loco portrays but it was shown on the sample image and the production b version is different from the sample. That I think is the point made by Andyram - that the sample image gave an impression of what could be expected (which might have influenced some purchasers?) but what was delivered did not match the sample, even if it was correct. If a shop had received advance orders on the basis of the sample image from folk who didn't know the real engine in that livery and condition then they might well have been sufficiently disappointed to cancel their order. What's illustrated is probably a livery sample - a 'proof' of the painting, printing and lining. None of the metal parts on the model have been chemically treated (buffers, rods, wheels and chimney cap). I don't recall any BR 'Terrier' having a copper chimney cap anyway. (CJL) 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pre Grouping fan Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 The top image in Andyram's post is a CAD render of the model which shows how it should look. They are quite old as at the time of announcement the renders were shown yet at the retailers launch last year as shown in the recent BBC program they had fully finished models on display. Plus theres the error on the copper cap which suggest they are older 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyram Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 In response to the comments above, it is absolutely the point I am making. I am not suggesting the missing copper cap is inaccurate. However it is shown in all the Hornby publicity materials and is also depicted on the box picture for 32636. These were the images that us retailers had to rely on until the examples arrived in stock. Sadly, one of my customers was influenced by these images and is now returning the loco because he wanted a copper capped chimney version. When the loco arrived in stock I did put updated pictures on the shop’s Facebook page and website. These clearly show the correct version. 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGR Hooper! Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 1 hour ago, andyram said: In response to the comments above, it is absolutely the point I am making. I am not suggesting the missing copper cap is inaccurate. However it is shown in all the Hornby publicity materials and is also depicted on the box picture for 32636. These were the images that us retailers had to rely on until the examples arrived in stock. Sadly, one of my customers was influenced by these images and is now returning the loco because he wanted a copper capped chimney version. When the loco arrived in stock I did put updated pictures on the shop’s Facebook page and website. These clearly show the correct version. Out of curiosity, what's the name of your shop? Cheers! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 6 hours ago, andyram said: In response to the comments above, it is absolutely the point I am making. I am not suggesting the missing copper cap is inaccurate. However it is shown in all the Hornby publicity materials and is also depicted on the box picture for 32636. These were the images that us retailers had to rely on until the examples arrived in stock. Sadly, one of my customers was influenced by these images and is now returning the loco because he wanted a copper capped chimney version. When the loco arrived in stock I did put updated pictures on the shop’s Facebook page and website. These clearly show the correct version. Well, there's irony for you. I am sorry that this has cost you a sale, because I'm sure you personally didn't deserve this visit from the karma police. 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyram Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 5 hours ago, MGR Hooper! said: Out of curiosity, what's the name of your shop? Cheers! A2B Model Railways 14 minutes ago, Edwardian said: Well, there's irony for you. I am sorry that this has cost you a sale, because I'm sure you personally didn't deserve this visit from the karma police. I am not sure of the meaning of the comment. My original post regarding the missing chimney banding were as a result of the issue with the customer. Thankfully it has not cost me a sale, he will be exchanging the loco for the KESR version providing the blue one has the copper cap as shown in all of the publicity shots including the latest picture that shows the full range. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenGiraffe22 Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, andyram said: Thankfully it has not cost me a sale, he will be exchanging the loco for the KESR version providing the blue one has the copper cap as shown in all of the publicity shots including the latest picture that shows the full range. That shot still seems to show the SR one with black tank fronts and cab front, unless that is just the lighting? Presumably it is the same livery sample as earlier, I would hope that is going to be corrected.... Edit: not sure it should have a gold chimney cap either...? At least this one doesn't seem to have one Edited March 18, 2019 by GreenGiraffe22 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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