sub39h Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 Hi all, When did Chiltern operate it’s blue/grey Mk3 set from/to? Did it always stop at Banbury or did it ever go on to Birmingham? What was a typical blue/grey rake? I’ve read it’s 3x TSOs and 2x FOs. Does that mean no buffet service? What was the RFM W&S coach that Hornby released? Was that fictional? Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
black and decker boy Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 The set continues in traffic just repainted white & silver spots. The FOs are actually fitted out as SOs but haven’t been renumbered. Not sure on current formation buts it’s at least 6 MK3, possibly 7 plus DVT. The silver plug door sets are 5 TSO, 1 buffet and a DVT. Booked diagrams are to / from Banbury but it has done others occasionally 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomag Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 The b/g Mk3 set was used for driver training for Class 68; it ran through Birmingham Moor Street at least twice in late 14 early 15. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold roundhouse Posted January 21, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 21, 2019 These days the set normally only runs as far out as Bicester North, Mon - Thurs and to Banbury on Friday evening. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Davexoc Posted January 21, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 21, 2019 (edited) Hi all, When did Chiltern operate it’s blue/grey Mk3 set from/to? Did it always stop at Banbury or did it ever go on to Birmingham? What was a typical blue/grey rake? I’ve read it’s 3x TSOs and 2x FOs. Does that mean no buffet service? What was the RFM W&S coach that Hornby released? Was that fictional? Thanks These are from W&S days, and the brandings did differ. And that is just north of Banbury... HTH Dave Edited January 21, 2019 by Davexoc 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted January 21, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 21, 2019 I remember it running to snow hill when there was disruption on the wcml caused by a class 90 detailing light engine at Bletchley back in 2013ish? Someone had the sense to press it into action instead of a unit on a couple of diagrams as it normally used to park up in banbury between its rush hour runs, pretty sure it also ran as an extra ‘relief’ train too, I seem to recall I was doing Leamington shuttles that day sonnever got a play! That derailment bought a lot of passengers over from new st/virgin to moor st who had never heard of chiltern or indeed knew that moor st station existed in the shadow of its bigger cousin in brum Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sub39h Posted January 22, 2019 Author Share Posted January 22, 2019 Thanks for your replies guys. I’m most interested in services from 2014 to 2016 as that’s when I used to travel between B’ham and the Midlands on a regular basis. Good to know the set occasionally ventured toward b’ham. So in this period was the RFM not used then? And was there no first class service anymore? Interesting to see a Mk3b FO in the consist in the photos from @Davexoc. Thanks again Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
black and decker boy Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 There has never been 1st class on Chiltern. There is a business zone in the RFM. None of the FOs are fitted out as first class. Chiltern is a strictly one class railway. The slam door set is currently 7 MK3 opens (some are ex-FO and some ex-SO) plus DVT Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Davexoc Posted January 23, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 23, 2019 (edited) There has never been 1st class on Chiltern. There is a business zone in the RFM. None of the FOs are fitted out as first class. Chiltern is a strictly one class railway. The slam door set is currently 7 MK3 opens (some are ex-FO and some ex-SO) plus DVT Never? The MUs still carry yellow banding to indicate? Anyway, how about this set from 2011? Chiltern blue/white DVT, 4 x Mk3 blue/grey, 2 x Mk3 Virgin and W&S 67 shoving it along.... Dave Edited January 23, 2019 by Davexoc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sub39h Posted January 24, 2019 Author Share Posted January 24, 2019 There has never been 1st class on Chiltern. There is a business zone in the RFM. None of the FOs are fitted out as first class. Chiltern is a strictly one class railway. The slam door set is currently 7 MK3 opens (some are ex-FO and some ex-SO) plus DVT Thanks! So have they all been renunbered to SOs then? And are all carriages 2+2 seating? I’ve not seen a single photo of the blue grey set with Chiltern with the RFM in the rake - just 6 ordinary TSOs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
black and decker boy Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 Thanks! So have they all been renunbered to SOs then? And are all carriages 2+2 seating? I’ve not seen a single photo of the blue grey set with Chiltern with the RFM in the rake - just 6 ordinary TSOs. No, the FOs were refitted as SOs but never renumbered. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
black and decker boy Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 (edited) Never? The MUs still carry yellow banding to indicate? Anyway, how about this set from 2011? IMG_0126.JPG Chiltern blue/white DVT, 4 x Mk3 blue/grey, 2 x Mk3 Virgin and W&S 67 shoving it along.... Dave Chilterns DMU fleet do not have a yellow stripe bodyside and do not have any first class compartments or 2+1 posh seating. One set of doors has a faded yellow top to indicate disabled seating area to station staff. I’ve lived and used the line for over 10 years and that has been the default throughout. Chiltern do not offer first class. The only exception to the one class for all rule is the ‘business class’ area in the RFM of the plug door sets. I’m sat on a 5 car Chiltern 165 set as I type this. Edited January 24, 2019 by black and decker boy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold roundhouse Posted January 24, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 24, 2019 Taken at banbury in 2011 of the ' Banbury' set. Despite the 1 on the door there hasn't been any designated first class on these when ever I have travelled on them. The business class with first class style seats used to be worth the £25 upgrade on our occassional trips on a Friday night to Birmingham when they served hot drinks but its not really worth the extra fare now as all you get is box of snacks and a cold drink Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Davexoc Posted January 24, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 24, 2019 Chilterns DMU fleet do not have a yellow stripe bodyside and do not have any first class compartments or 2+1 posh seating. One set of doors has a faded yellow top to indicate disabled seating area to station staff. I’ve lived and used the line for over 10 years and that has been the default throughout. Chiltern do not offer first class. The only exception to the one class for all rule is the ‘business class’ area in the RFM of the plug door sets. I’m sat on a 5 car Chiltern 165 set as I type this. So did Chiltern ditch first class immediately? Because 165s were definitely built with first class. Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
black and decker boy Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 (edited) So did Chiltern ditch first class immediately? Because 165s were definitely built with first class. Dave Chiltern withdrew 1st class across its network starting in 2002 though the class168s were built and introduced as standard class only in 1998. Edited January 25, 2019 by black and decker boy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caradoc Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 I travelled on this set in October last year on the 1721 Marylebone-Bicester North, in coach 11029 which (sadly !) had standard class seating, as mentioned above. It does seem strange that the ex-FO vehicles have not been renumbered into the 12xxx series, especially considering the amount of other Mark 3 stock, both loco-hauled and HST, which has been renumbered. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher125 Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 Presumably this will need replacing by next year unless they want a PRM derogation, any idea what with? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
black and decker boy Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 Presumably this will need replacing by next year unless they want a PRM derogation, any idea what with?More 168s I’d imagine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hexagon789 Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 If it's any use, here are the formations for 2014 and 2018 (the latter is still the current make-up): AL06 (November 2014) 12043 - Mk3a TSO (-/70 2T 2W) 12119 - Mk3a TSO (-/72 2T) 12017 - Mk3a TSO (-/76 2T) 11029 - Mk3a FO* (-/68 2T 2W) 11031 - Mk3a FO^ (47/- 2T 1W) 12054 - Mk3a TSO (-/70 2T 1W) 82305 - Mk3b DVT * - reseated with Standard Class seats ^ - declassified AL06 (18th November 2018) 12119 - Mk3a TSO (-/72 2T) 11029 - Mk3a FO* (-/68 2T 2W) 12054 - Mk3a TSO (-/70 2T 1W) 11031 - Mk3a FO* (-/68 2T 1W) 12094 - Mk3a TSO (-/76 2T) 12043 - Mk3a TSO (-/70 2T 1W) 12017 - Mk3a TSO (-/72 2T) 82305 - Mk3b DVT * - reseated with Standard Class seats 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sub39h Posted January 29, 2019 Author Share Posted January 29, 2019 If it's any use, here are the formations for 2014 and 2018 (the latter is still the current make-up): AL06 (November 2014) 12043 - Mk3a TSO (-/70 2T 2W) 12119 - Mk3a TSO (-/72 2T) 12017 - Mk3a TSO (-/76 2T) 11029 - Mk3a FO* (-/68 2T 2W) 11031 - Mk3a FO^ (47/- 2T 1W) 12054 - Mk3a TSO (-/70 2T 1W) 82305 - Mk3b DVT * - reseated with Standard Class seats ^ - declassified AL06 (18th November 2018) 12119 - Mk3a TSO (-/72 2T) 11029 - Mk3a FO* (-/68 2T 2W) 12054 - Mk3a TSO (-/70 2T 1W) 11031 - Mk3a FO* (-/68 2T 1W) 12094 - Mk3a TSO (-/76 2T) 12043 - Mk3a TSO (-/70 2T 1W) 12017 - Mk3a TSO (-/72 2T) 82305 - Mk3b DVT * - reseated with Standard Class seats That’s incredibly helpful, thank you. What do the letters and numbers in the brackets signify though please? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach bogie Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 When still with the Wrexham branding, they went out and about on railtours. They were used on Darlington - Hartlepool shuttles for the tall ships several years back. Mike Wiltshire Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hexagon789 Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 (edited) On 1/29/2019 at 8:03 AM, sub39h said: That’s incredibly helpful, thank you. What do the letters and numbers in the brackets signify though please? You're very welcome The numbers in brackets are seating capacities. The first numbers are actual seats First Class/Standard Class, T is toilet, TD - disabled toilet, W - wheelchair space. For example, 11029 (-/68 2T 2W) this means - 68 Standard Class seats, 2 Toilets, 2 Wheelchair spaces. Edited February 1, 2019 by hexagon789 Minor typo 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
muddy water Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 On 27/01/2019 at 15:57, hexagon789 said: If it's any use, here are the formations for 2014 and 2018 (the latter is still the current make-up): AL06 (November 2014) 12043 - Mk3a TSO (-/70 2T 2W) 12119 - Mk3a TSO (-/72 2T) 12017 - Mk3a TSO (-/76 2T) 11029 - Mk3a FO* (-/68 2T 2W) 11031 - Mk3a FO^ (47/- 2T 1W) 12054 - Mk3a TSO (-/70 2T 1W) 82305 - Mk3b DVT * - reseated with Standard Class seats ^ - declassified AL06 (18th November 2018) 12119 - Mk3a TSO (-/72 2T) 11029 - Mk3a FO* (-/68 2T 2W) 12054 - Mk3a TSO (-/70 2T 1W) 11031 - Mk3a FO* (-/68 2T 1W) 12094 - Mk3a TSO (-/76 2T) 12043 - Mk3a TSO (-/70 2T 1W) 12017 - Mk3a TSO (-/72 2T) 82305 - Mk3b DVT * - reseated with Standard Class seats Hi! where did you get the coach set AL06 information from? cheers! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hexagon789 Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 23 hours ago, muddy water said: Hi! where did you get the coach set AL06 information from? cheers! From abrail, a website which carries fairly regularly updated lists of Loco-Hauled Coaching Stock formations including those of IC125 and 225 sets among other items of interest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
muddy water Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 Just checke 9 hours ago, hexagon789 said: From abrail, a website which carries fairly regularly updated lists of Loco-Hauled Coaching Stock formations including those of IC125 and 225 sets among other items of interest. Hi! Just checked the web site and found it only has current formations as of the end of 2018. Is there a historical lookup, as W&S has now demised!! There appears to be no AL06 and the coaches are now part of AL05. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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