RMweb Gold Worsdell forever Posted June 30, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 30, 2021 7 minutes ago, Porcy Mane said: You'll not be popular with the fitters. All them brake blocks to change and all them iron filings will screw up the motor, shirley? Brakes? we're on bonus, we don't use brakes... 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Worsdell forever Posted June 30, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 30, 2021 Safety valve cover now polished. 14 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 9 minutes ago, Worsdell forever said: Safety valve cover now polished. Did you do the tender cock at the same time? Ya need to shove some noggins of 2mm styrene rod in them wheel centres. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Worsdell forever Posted June 30, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 30, 2021 4 minutes ago, Porcy Mane said: Did you do the tender cock at the same time? No, but I have now... 4 minutes ago, Porcy Mane said: Ya need to shove some noggins of 2mm styrene rod in them wheel centres. They will get filled eventually. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiftyFourA Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 This looks a bloody good loco for around £90 and one much needed for us of a more north easterly religion, as distinct from that one to be found at the other end of England. Can I ask two questions on the EM conversion please - 1. how deep will that noggin have to be to cover the 'hole' in the wheel center ? (which really means how much of the wheel is left on the axle when you move the wheels out) 2. what size axles have Oxford used? Are they the 2mm suggested in an earlier post on the noggins? (in case I decide to use Markits wheels instead). Does anyone know if Oxford are going to do the other variations of P3/J27 - for example boiler/dome/safety valve/superheated/smokebox/lubrication/tender coal rails/tender chassis (correct wheels for saturated engines!). Glad I have a copy of Willie Yeadon's volume 47B Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 9 minutes ago, FiftyFourA said: how deep will that noggin have to be to cover the 'hole' in the wheel center ? Now lets see; 00 back to back 14.5 mm EM back to back 16.5 mm Equals 1mm per side. All dimensions are approx. (I didn't even need a calculator for that!). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 14 minutes ago, FiftyFourA said: Does anyone know if Oxford are going to do the other variations of P3/J27 - for example boiler/dome/safety valve/superheated/smokebox/lubrication/tender coal rails/tender chassis (correct wheels for saturated engines!). Ermmmmmmm. You are taking the rise, aren't you? If not, here's a good place to start. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiftyFourA Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 Well no, I am NOT taking the rise actually. I normally model in 7mm gauge and 5" gauge so I do not keep abreast of 4mm as I only 'dabble' in this particular scale and while I was aware that Oxford were working on a J27 I was not aware how far advanced it was never mind it being 'out' already. I am very sorry that I am not 'in the loop' and humbly apologise for my ignorance. Rest assured, I will not be bothering you, or anyone else, on this forum again. I just wonder though, what anyone new to the hobby will think of such a condescending reply. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 9 minutes ago, FiftyFourA said: I am very sorry that I am not 'in the loop' Don't take offence, it being normal practice on forums to have a cursory look through long threads for basic answers before jumping in with both boots. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Daddyman Posted July 1, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 1, 2021 (edited) 21 hours ago, Worsdell forever said: Safety valve cover now polished. I wondered if you were going to do that! Are you able to get the front step brace off at all? And what about the coal plates - am I right in thinking they should be the same height as the coal rails? I hadn't noticed how ropey the ends of OR's coal rails are - there should be a reverse curve at the end. There's a lot of talk about this being a £90 model, but does getting things wrong allow OR to keep the price down? You need wrist-breaker toolboxes too. I know we've talked about this before, but I still think you need to change the cab roof outer layer. Surely an easy enough job? - sand all the detail off and add the batons. Not sure if it's a trick of the photo, but it looks like you've achieved the original wedge-shaped front to the smokebox (right angle where wrapper meets front). Or did OR mix 1900s wedge front with 1940s rivets? 2mm plastic ends to the axles no good: that would suggest that the real thing had 6" axles. What you need instead are plastic (or better metal) 3mm or 1/8th discs of 5 thou (metal easier to shape) stuck over the wheel centres. Edited July 1, 2021 by Daddyman Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axlebox Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 11 minutes ago, Daddyman said: 2mm plastic ends to the axles no good: that would suggest that the real thing had 6" axles. What you need instead are plastic (or better metal) 3mm or 1/8th discs of 5 thou (metal easier to shape) stuck over the wheel centres. ...with dimples on 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 10 hours ago, Porcy Mane said: Don't take offence, it being normal practice on forums to have a cursory look through long threads for basic answers before jumping in with both boots. Unless someone is grossly offensive, I don’t mind “having my intelligence insulted”. If I’m told something I already know, no harm done. If I were to get prickly, I might not be told something which I didn’t know. It’s notorious in text communication that the tone can be difficult to judge. The response you gave included a link and was, as I read it, helpful. If FiftyFourA is still around, Oxford has also announced a J26, which may or may not be information sought. 2 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gr.king Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 3 hours ago, Axlebox said: ...with dimples on In, rather than on, surely? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axlebox Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 25 minutes ago, gr.king said: In, rather than on, surely? I had them upside down! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Flying Pig Posted July 1, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 1, 2021 4 hours ago, Daddyman said: 2mm plastic ends to the axles no good: that would suggest that the real thing had 6" axles. What you need instead are plastic (or better metal) 3mm or 1/8th discs of 5 thou (metal easier to shape) stuck over the wheel centres. There are, or used to be, etched covers for Romford axlenuts which might be suitable. Google finds them under 247 Developments, but I don't know whether that is a live supplier. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 5 hours ago, Axlebox said: ...with dimples on I shall henceforth call them, "Kirk Douglas's" or maybe just plain old Doug's 18 minutes ago, Flying Pig said: There are, or used to be, etched covers for Romford axlenuts which might be suitable. Markits do/did a similar thing. I think they were available with different crank throws. One I prepared earlier. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold MikeParkin65 Posted July 1, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 1, 2021 Less than glowing review in this months Hornby magazine. I say this because its rare (unique?!) for Hornby mag to say anything that might be deemed critical. Problems included poor pick ups, derailing when the fall plate fell into the void twixt cab and tender (presumably closer coupling would fix this?) and 'built down to a price; leading to over simplified detailing (lack of lubricators on the running plate cited). 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul_sterling Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 21 minutes ago, MikeParkin65 said: Less than glowing review in this months Hornby magazine. I say this because its rare (unique?!) for Hornby mag to say anything that might be deemed critical. Problems included poor pick ups, derailing when the fall plate fell into the void twixt cab and tender (presumably closer coupling would fix this?) and 'built down to a price; leading to over simplified detailing (lack of lubricators on the running plate cited). Unusually critical indeed. They may have missed the point though. The model is/could be costed down because it is cheap, it's priced near to railroad locos. The fall plate does make sense that it can cause an issue if widely spaced, a blob of blu tac will keep it up though if its going to spend its life on 2nd rad. The pickups though, that is just how I found them to be as well, a mangled mess. Paul 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gr.king Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 3 hours ago, Axlebox said: I had them upside down! Oh, okay. I was thinking for a minute that you were looking at them from inside the axle... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black 5 Bear Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 (edited) 18 hours ago, MikeParkin65 said: Less than glowing review in this months Hornby magazine. I say this because its rare (unique?!) for Hornby mag to say anything that might be deemed critical. Problems included poor pick ups, derailing when the fall plate fell into the void twixt cab and tender (presumably closer coupling would fix this?) and 'built down to a price; leading to over simplified detailing (lack of lubricators on the running plate cited). Indeed Mike, hardly confidence inspiring to say the least and as you quite rightly comment, rare for Hornby magazine to be so critical. I'm not a NE modeller as a rule, but I did think about purchasing a J27. I recently purchased a OR N7 which is excellent. Why on earth couldn't this be produced to the same standard? Too many gremlins/compromises for my liking, which is a pity ! Mark Edited July 2, 2021 by Black 5 Bear 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
micklner Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 19 hours ago, Worsdell forever said: No, but I have now... They will get filled eventually. Hi, Nice work, will the moulded Safety valve come off ?, a Dave Bradwell Casting version would look superb !!. Where did you source the workplates from please ?. Mick 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Worsdell forever Posted July 1, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 1, 2021 29 minutes ago, micklner said: Hi, Nice work, will the moulded Safety valve come off ?, a Dave Bradwell Casting version would look superb !!. I think it would come off but you'll have a large hole in the firebox top as the boiler fittings are set into rather than sat on top of the boiler 29 minutes ago, micklner said: Where did you source the workplates from please ?. Mick The number plates on the cab sides are Fox B17 plates, unfortunately they don't sell them separately. The ones on the front splasher/sandbox is the North British Loco worksplate, not sure where it's from but it had more 'text' on it than the numberplate just as the NB works plate does. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted July 1, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 1, 2021 Is the smokebox door correct it looks a bit small and flat to me or is that correct for an early loco? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougN Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 14 hours ago, Porcy Mane said: I shall henceforth call them, "Kirk Douglas's" or maybe just plain old Doug's There is nothing Plain or Old about Dougs.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Dominion Posted July 2, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 2, 2021 Anyone that wants a J27 should not be put off by the comments on contacts. I found them easy to work on and adjust. They are captive to the keeper plates on both the tender and the loco, so they come off easily with the keeper plates, and more importantly fit back on easily. I posted a photo of the loco ones a little earlier. Some were not adjusted well but I thought the assembly was well designed. 2 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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