Oxford Rail announce J27 at Toy Fair

[Brit70053 3,984]

Thanks to all three of you micklner, gr.king and Bishdurham, for confirming I didn't miss anything important/ relevant to the model or a release date.

I concur with gr.king's experience that the video link plays when it decides to, I waited in limbo for a few minutes before my silent movie commenced.

 Now I just need to resolve why I couldn't hear it myself. A look at the 'Windows 10 anybody downloaded it yet ?' topic in Wheeltappers seems in order.

 

Regards,

                John

[trevor7598 662]

John, I also have Windows 10, and had full sound, though he does waffle on a bit!

[Brit70053 3,984]

Thanks trevor7598 and again to those contributors mentioned previously. 

A post in the Windows Ten thread caused me to check some settings on the laptop.

 Looking at the HD Audio Manager (probably for the first time ever) I found that sound in that had been set to 'Mute',  an action certainly not done by me as I would not have known this specific facility was available to change in this way.

 Thankfully it was a straightforward  matter of clicking on the icon to get the sound back.

I may try to view the Hattons' Video again tomorrow, just for the sake of proving this audio problem is actually sorted.

 

Regards,

 

                John

 

             

         

[Brit70053 3,984]

Quick post script to confirm that I was able to view and listen to the Hattons' video today. Pleased to hear acknowledgement that preserved J27 is owned by the North Eastern Locomotive Preservation Group (NELPG). Don't know where the speculation about a LNER Green livery version has arisen from, I've never encountered that in respect of either the prototypes or the models.

 

Regards,

 

           John

[Paul_sterling 225]

On 22/10/2020 at 15:41, RBAGE said:

Absolutely right. At the end of the, it's what makes you happy that counts. And as you suggested, there are much bigger compromises elsewhere.

 

Good luck with the J21. Not much room in one of those for motor and gearbox. I suggest you talk to Chris Gibbons at High Level Kits to sort out the right combination.

 

If you need any help, give me a shout.

 

Bob

 

Thanks Bob, I'll give you a shout when the time comes. I'm stowed out at present printing S1's and Q1's for customers at the moment, so I haven't even looked at the J21. 

 

Cheers, Paul. 

[Paul_sterling 225]

On 05/11/2020 at 19:23, Brit70053 said:

Quick post script to confirm that I was able to view and listen to the Hattons' video today. Pleased to hear acknowledgement that preserved J27 is owned by the North Eastern Locomotive Preservation Group (NELPG). Don't know where the speculation about a LNER Green livery version has arisen from, I've never encountered that in respect of either the prototypes or the models.

 

Regards,

 

           John

 

LNER green would be fictitious, but I would reckon it would look really smart! And perhaps sometimes prototypical accuracy can be passed on if its going to sell in volume (and thus help the business with money to invest in more products we've begged the other big makers for, for years). 

 

Paul. 

[MarkC 2,291]

Well, I am pleased that I completed construction of my eBay rescue Nucast J27 kit before returning to sea on Monday.  A visit to the paint shop for it will have to wait until the New Year though

 

A couple of points from matters upthread - the kit as received included a partly built etched chassis, as well as the Nucast W/M lump & coupling rods. So, as another 'rescue' from a few years ago; an as yet untouched Nucast J21kit which was missing its W/M lump chassis block, is still lurking in the roundtuit pile, said J21 kit now appears to be complete. (It does seem that the same lump was used for both J21 and J27). As it now appears not to be appropriate for my chosen layout location, do I flog the J21 'as is' or build it & then flog it? Decisions, decisions... Mind you, with my track record, I'll build it & then some manufacturer will release a RTR model!

 

The other point - I live on the site of an old school in my village - any old boys/girls of Landsdowne Comp on here?

 

Mark

[DougN 1,776]

Mark, Can you build the J21... I wouldnt mind a RTR version as I have not got back to the 3 I started building 20 odd years ago 

[Paul_sterling 225]

I've also got a nu cast J21 to get on with. I must admit, I was half waiting for the J27 to arrive from Oxford Rail, and see just how compatible the chassis was, rehweel, and use that.

 

But its probably easier to build what I've got, needs wheels, motors, gearbox, good God............

 

Paul. 

[Bishdurham 34]

I should have most of a Nu-cast J21 somewhere as well as a DJH Q7.  From what I remember I built the tenders.  One day I will look for them or more correctly I will open some boxes and be surprised at what I find.

 

Probably safe to think that nobody will make a RTR Q7 - that should get them rushing to release it!

[Paul_sterling 225]

3 minutes ago, Bishdurham said:

I should have most of a Nu-cast J21 somewhere as well as a DJH Q7.  From what I remember I built the tenders.  One day I will look for them or more correctly I will open some boxes and be surprised at what I find.

 

Probably safe to think that nobody will make a RTR Q7 - that should get them rushing to release it!

 

Can you recall what wheels, motor and gearbox you used, or were planning to use please? 

 

Its my first time building a kit loco,  though I’ve designed and built quite a few 3D printed locos now.

 

Thanks. Paul

[Barry O 89,499]

9 minutes ago, Paul_sterling said:

 

Can you recall what wheels, motor and gearbox you used, or were planning to use please? 

 

Its my first time building a kit loco,  though I’ve designed and built quite a few 3D printed locos now.

 

Thanks. Paul

The Nucast J21 I have has Romford wheels, an XO$ type motor and Romford 40:1 gears. After 40+ years it still works! Electricaly it picks up from one side of the loco  (using the non insulated wheels) and teh other side is from the tender wheels.

 

 

Baz

[Paul_sterling 225]

Thanks Barry. 

 

Cheers. Paul

[MarkC 2,291]

On 18/11/2020 at 10:14, Paul_sterling said:

I've also got a nu cast J21 to get on with. I must admit, I was half waiting for the J27 to arrive from Oxford Rail, and see just how compatible the chassis was, rehweel, and use that.

 

But its probably easier to build what I've got, needs wheels, motors, gearbox, good God............

 

Paul. 

I think that the main concern there would be whether or not the motor that Oxford use could fit into the J21 boiler, Paul. The J27's boiler is somewhat larger, as we know.

 

Ah, just bite the bullet & get building - you know you want to

 

Mark

[Paul_sterling 225]

47 minutes ago, MarkC said:

I think that the main concern there would be whether or not the motor that Oxford use could fit into the J21 boiler, Paul. The J27's boiler is somewhat larger, as we know.

 

Ah, just bite the bullet & get building - you know you want to

 

Mark

 

Thanks Mark, I'm inclined to agree with you, but it depends if Oxford have the foresight to consider the chassis for an RTR J21 in the future, you never know, they may have 

 

Priority at present is finishing the LH&JC No.5 Project.............. 

 

 

 

 

The prints of No.5 are crude mule prints by the way, not finished ones! 

 

Paul. 

Edited November 19, 2020 by Paul_sterling

[RBAGE 697]

2 hours ago, Paul_sterling said:

 

Thanks Mark, I'm inclined to agree with you, but it depends if Oxford have the foresight to consider the chassis for an RTR J21 in the future, you never know, they may have 

 

Priority at present is finishing the LH&JC No.5 Project.............. 

 

 

 

 

The prints of No.5 are crude mule prints by the way, not finished ones! 

 

Paul. 

Fantastic work. You'll want for nowt.

[Porcy Mane 8,941]

Will the NCB transfers be available separately?  

[Paul_sterling 225]

25 minutes ago, Porcy Mane said:

Will the NCB transfers be available separately?  

 

Haha! 

 

Thankfully not, not unless you want a rotring pen! lol. 

 

Paul. 

[Porcy Mane 8,941]

14 minutes ago, Paul_sterling said:

Thankfully not, not unless you want a rotring pen! lol. 

 

Got loads ta muchly. Most of them over fifty years old. Used to use them in Tudder Tech Drawing.  Mr. Potts.  (I think?)

[drmditch 1,592]

Re: J21s

 

My Nucast J21 looks like this:-

 

 

 

It was one of the first kits I built, but then was re-built about eight years ago. The main problem with the original build was that to avoid the wheels shorting on the inside of the splashers, the whole body was mounted too high.

More careful re-construction solved this. 

My model, which is accurate as I can make it, now includes:-

Detail cab interior

Working inside valve gear (at the least the top half of it)

Representation of the piston valves below the inside cylinders. (I have not seen this feature modelled by anyone else!)

Correct brake pull rods outside the wheels.

 

Details of construction are here.

 

I also have a Dave Alexander kit to complete. 

[Paul_sterling 225]

29 minutes ago, Porcy Mane said:

 

Got loads ta muchly. Most of them over fifty years old. Used to use them in Tudder Tech Drawing.  Mr. Potts.  (I think?)

 

Not a name I recall from Tudhoe, possibly before my time. I can't recall the name of the teacher for Tech drawing when I was there, it was in the upper school (St Charles Rd), but he wasn't that old the teacher, mid 40's then, so probably about early to mid 60's now, nice bloke as I recall, as was the other technology teacher, Mr Temple, who was also a member of the school band. 

Paul. 

[Paul_sterling 225]

5 minutes ago, drmditch said:

Re: J21s

 

My Nucast J21 looks like this:-

 

It was one of the first kits I built, but then was re-built about eight years ago. The main problem with the original build was that to avoid the wheels shorting on the inside of the splashers, the whole body was mounted too high.

More careful re-construction solved this. 

My model, which is accurate as I can make it, now includes:-

Detail cab interior

Working inside valve gear (at the least the top half of it)

Representation of the piston valves below the inside cylinders. (I have not seen this feature modelled by anyone else!)

Correct brake pull rods outside the wheels.

 

Details of construction are here.

 

I also have a Dave Alexander kit to complete. 

 

Lovely work, what was it during reconstruction you did to sort the body mounting height if you don't mind me asking?

 

[Bishdurham 34]

19 hours ago, Paul_sterling said:

 

Can you recall what wheels, motor and gearbox you used, or were planning to use please? 

 

Its my first time building a kit loco,  though I’ve designed and built quite a few 3D printed locos now.

 

Thanks. Paul

Hi Paul,

 

I worked at W&H at the time so it would have been Romford's  5' 1 1/4" works out to about 21mm and a 40:1 gear set and DS 10 motor.  Not sure if you can still find a DS10 but it was the smallest we supplied.  Not sure if I wouldn't use Alan Gibson wheels now.  That was for the J21, I used the white metal blob they called a chassis.  The Q7 came with wheels with plastic centers.  Not sure who made them but this was at the time DJH had just moved to Consett and before they used Romford's.

 

Best

 

Richard

[Paul_sterling 225]

8 minutes ago, Bishdurham said:

Hi Paul,

 

I worked at W&H at the time so it would have been Romford's  5' 1 1/4" works out to about 21mm and a 40:1 gear set and DS 10 motor.  Not sure if you can still find a DS10 but it was the smallest we supplied.  Not sure if I wouldn't use Alan Gibson wheels now.  That was for the J21, I used the white metal blob they called a chassis.  The Q7 came with wheels with plastic centers.  Not sure who made them but this was at the time DJH had just moved to Consett and before they used Romford's.

 

Best

 

Richard

 

Thanks Richard, 

 

I'll base my search on that, and see what appears. 

 

Thanks!

Paul. 

[drmditch 1,592]

2 hours ago, Paul_sterling said:

 

Lovely work, what was it during reconstruction you did to sort the body mounting height if you don't mind me asking?

 

From what I now remember, the inside of the splashers had to be thinned quite a lot, as did the 'inside join' between the splashers and the footplate.  Where the white metal got very thin I reinforced it with two-part epoxy.

 

I didn't have a detailed drawing (other then the R M Beattie one from an old RM), and the early drawing in Ken Hoole's 'Illustrated History of NER Locomotives. As far as I could work out, the basic Nu-cast castings were/are quite accurate. The key dimensions I took the the RCTS 'Green Book'), and amongst other things that gives the pitch of the boiler. This, with the aid of a jig or two lining up with the centre hole of the smokebox door, allows one to get to the boiler height. Then it was a matter of offering up, fettling and fitting.

 

The brass frames made up quite well. I had to modify them a bit to fit a motion plate, slide bars etc. I use a live locomotive chassis, with the tender live to the other side, and an insulated drawbar. None-the-less, I also fit 'wiper' contacts to as many other wheels as I can. This seems to help with small locomotives!

 

Certainly, I'm much happier with mine now than I was with it's first iteration and runs quite nicely.

 

 

Edited November 19, 2020 by drmditch