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On ‎28‎/‎01‎/‎2019 at 11:24, Pannier Tank said:

 

My "Spotting" Notes show the following were present at Swindon Works 27002, 27019, 27036, 27040, 27208  22/08/1984  and  27034 25/09/1985 

 

27 002/019/036 arrived in April 1984, 27 040 following in July. I would suggest that 27 208 is a typo - I've no record of it being in Swindon at that time but I did see 27 028 numerous times after its arrival in September 1984. 27 034 arrived with it.

 

The intention was to repair some locomotives and return them to service, using the others as donor locos. 27 002/036 and 040 returned to service. 27 019/028 and 034 were used for parts and cut up at Swindon.

 

I have quite a few pictures of most of these locos around the works, plus one of 27 040 on Swindon stabling point at the end of September 1984, awaiting a tow back to Scotland. 27 036 went back north in May 1985, I observed it a couple of times on Gloucester (Horton Road), whilst en route.

 

The Mid-Hants Railway's 27 007 also made a visit to the works for attention, in November 1985.

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11 hours ago, 35A said:

 

27 002/019/036 arrived in April 1984, 27 040 following in July. I would suggest that 27 208 is a typo - I've no record of it being in Swindon at that time but I did see 27 028 numerous times after its arrival in early August 1984. 27 034 arrived with it.

 

 

My notes show 27208 was present on 22/08/1984 and you quote it has having arrived early August 1984 ?

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2 hours ago, Pannier Tank said:

 

My notes show 27208 was present on 22/08/1984 and you quote it has having arrived early August 1984 ?

 

My query was whether 27 208 might possibly have been a typo. I was resident at the time and have no record, in my daily notes and photographs, of 27 208 ever having been seen on the works. However, 25 208 was present at that time. 27 028 actually arrived later than I quoted (I've now found the RCTS "Railway Observer" gen on the move from Scotland, with 27 034), after the date of your visit, so it wasn't that. The monthly works reports in the RO don't show any sighting of 27 208, either.

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21 minutes ago, 35A said:

 

My query was whether 27 208 might possibly have been a typo. I was resident at the time and have no record, in my daily notes and photographs, of 27 208 ever having been seen on the works. However, 25 208 was present at that time. 27 028 actually arrived later than I quoted (I've now found the RCTS "Railway Observer" gen on the move from Scotland, with 27 034), after the date of your visit, so it wasn't that. The monthly works reports in the RO don't show any sighting of 27 208, either.

 

My apologies, I mistook your ref to 27028 as 27208. Looking at my Computer Records it shows that I only recorded 27208 just the once although I visited Swindon Works several times in 1984/85 period so it may well be a Typo on my part. I will see if I can find my written notes to see if they reveal anything.

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9 hours ago, HillsideDepot said:

27036 even managed a day-trip to Westbury on 05/05/85 for the Open Day

f286 27036   WESTBURY 050585  S Widdowson   912 (2)

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Smashing picture.  I remember seeing it at Westbury as I passed through on the Friday(?) beforehand and wondering what on earth that was doing there (having no knowledge of the presence of 27s at Swindon at the time).  Unfortunately I did not make it to the open day - couldn't face another trip on the same route over the weekend when I was commuting to Bristol and back every day at the time.  Oh for the longed for time machine!  :-)

 

Best wishes, 

 

Paul

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On ‎09‎/‎02‎/‎2019 at 14:25, Pannier Tank said:

 

My apologies, I mistook your ref to 27028 as 27208. Looking at my Computer Records it shows that I only recorded 27208 just the once although I visited Swindon Works several times in 1984/85 period so it may well be a Typo on my part. I will see if I can find my written notes to see if they reveal anything.

 

So easily done, David. My Excel spreadsheets go back to 1970 and I've got a few queries of my own over that period. I've kept the hard copy books to reference back but all they tend to reveal is the same data! The great thing about putting them on the computer is that it makes searching for things so much quicker and simpler. :D

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24 minutes ago, 35A said:

 

So easily done, David. My Excel spreadsheets go back to 1970 and I've got a few queries of my own over that period. I've kept the hard copy books to reference back but all they tend to reveal is the same data! The great thing about putting them on the computer is that it makes searching for things so much quicker and simpler. :D

 

I seem to recall that we were given a typed list of Locomotives present at Swindon Works on each visit, although I still used to write the numbers down in my spotting book. I'll have a look through my mountain of Railway Books / Railway Lists. 

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On 09/02/2019 at 00:42, 35A said:

 

27 002/019/036 arrived in April 1984, 27 040 following in July. I would suggest that 27 208 is a typo - I've no record of it being in Swindon at that time but I did see 27 028 numerous times after its arrival in September 1984. 27 034 arrived with it.

 

Although I've still not found my written notes, I have found a Printout of mine of Locomotives that I observed at Swindon Works on the 22/06/1984. Interestingly, 27208 is not shown on that list. However,  27062 is shown on the list as seen during my visit. I did a little research and found that www.DerbySulzers.com state that 27062 was allocated to 27208  but never carried. 

 

I have still yet to find any conformation that 27062/27208 was present during my visit. Hopefully I will find my written notes to see if this clarifies the situation.

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Well in the 1970s, 27/0s numbering finished at 27 044. Class 27/2 27 208 certainly did exist (as did 27 201-212, I saw the lot). After the replacement of the 27/1 and 27/2 with 47/7s on the Edinburgh-Glasgow push pulls, they were renumbered in the 27/0 series.

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On the  FB group Swindon images of years gone by posted by the Daughter of the late Tony Rima, who had a significant collection of photo’s. I am intregied if it is Swindon or another Scrapping location. No year quoted.

Warships and a 27?

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1 hour ago, carlwooduk said:

On the  FB group Swindon images of years gone by posted by the Daughter of the late Tony Rima, who had a significant collection of photo’s. I am intregied if it is Swindon or another Scrapping location. No year quoted.

Warships and a 27?

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According to MLI all but two were scrapped at Swindon, those being 800 and 863 at Cashmore's, Newport.

Appears to 818 and 27034 in November 1985, the 27 sucumbing to the torch in December.

 

Dave

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1 hour ago, carlwooduk said:

On the  FB group Swindon images of years gone by posted by the Daughter of the late Tony Rima, who had a significant collection of photo’s. I am intregied if it is Swindon or another Scrapping location. No year quoted.

Warships and a 27?

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That's 818 being cut up around the back at Swindon (not in the usual place). I have a colour photo of it in the same condition, with the cut lines in the same place. The guide didn't want us to take pictures and hurried us past.

 

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23 minutes ago, carlwooduk said:

Thanks, That solves the puzzle, green warship being scrapped alongside a 27. Maybe 1985?

It was 1985; the GWR150 exhibition, which was to have been in the works, was cancelled as the workforce would never have supported it, having all been told their jobs were at risk in little over 12 months. "Glory" was scrapped as without the exhibition, there was no reason to retain it any longer (and it had been well robbed, IIRC).

Fast forward 34 years and the same will soon happen to Honda workers. Swindon doesn't seem to have suffered too much long term economic harm, having grown very substantially since 1985, so hopefully those affected, won't be for too long.

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Bogies off D818 are in Bury though, for years they were covered in tarplin, next to the running line as you exit the Bury north tunnel and the small 3 lane shed. No idea current whereabouts.

 

i saw D818 during a railtour visit (the final Swindon Ambassador Railtour in 1985). You could tell the works was finished, very little in the shops, much of the site was empty compared to previous visits...and I was just a 10 year old.

 

D818 was looking pretty rough outside, holes in the rust you could see through. D1015 was also outside that year, very good condition, with Ochre and an odd yellow stripe extending around the cab sides. Whilst it was there every visit, it was never turned over when we were there. D5705 was also present, very rough condition.

 

i too remeber the 27’s on the scrap line there, that was odd, the year before was 25’s, the year before that was 40’s, plus ever present was 03’s and 08’s. I have recollections of some GWR collett tenders, i seem to think they were from Castle classes (50xx) and my dad had the numbers, but i might have underlined them as mk1 TSOs in my book !!

and at least 1 small rusted boiler in the 1980’s too.

 

if anyone knows what they were (and if they were scrapped or saved) i’d love to know, the tenders didnt seem that bad nick.

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Sorry I'm late to the Bristol Poly reunion - I was there at Unity Street from 1976 - 79

 

re "I have recollections of some GWR collett tenders, i seem to think they were from Castle classes (50xx) and my dad had the numbers, but i might have underlined them as mk1 TSOs in my book !!"

 

You are correct - they were still there when I visited Swindon in April 1981. They were numbered '1' and '2' and were being used as sludge carriers. I too would like to know what happened to them...

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