davegreenly Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 Looking for a photo of the FRONT of a Cambrian Railways Ground Signal. Any one ? Tks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Freeman Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 Don't think so but if it's any help McKenzie & Holland probably supplied them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Joseph_Pestell Posted February 4, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 4, 2019 Might take you a while. But if you Google various Cambrian stations for images, you will surely come across one somewhere. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davegreenly Posted February 4, 2019 Author Share Posted February 4, 2019 Thanks, been there, done that! Lots of photos too small to be indistinguishable, and some bigger but taken from the back! I'll keep looking. Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bécasse Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Stephen Freeman said: Don't think so but if it's any help McKenzie & Holland probably supplied them. Depends which period, the Cambrian Railways were a significant user of Dutton's products in the 1890s (when a lot of their signalling was installed) and Tyers after that. What is clear is that the CamRys were very mean in their provision of ground signals, and that not long after the grouping almost all the extant ground signals were GWR designs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailWest Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 23 minutes ago, bécasse said: Depends which period, the Cambrian Railways were a significant user of Dutton's products in the 1890s (when a lot of their signalling was installed) and Tyers after that. What is clear is that the CamRys were very mean in their provision of ground signals, and that not long after the grouping almost all the extant ground signals were GWR designs. Which brings us back to the question of exactly what the OP was referring to by 'CamRly ground signal'? Edward Dorricott's book on ST Dutton suggests (p126) that Dutton provided rotating signals that were similar to old-style 'point indicators' and apparently often used as such; there is a photo of one taken in the former Winchcombe Rly Museum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Donw Posted February 4, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 4, 2019 In the Wild Swan Vol 1 by Green there is a photo of one in Aberystwyth. I think it is a non independant type. I assume the GWR would not replace one unless replacing it with a more modern type. Cannot look up the page ref as the books are still packed away. Don Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Donw Posted February 4, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 4, 2019 In the Wild Swan Vol 1 by Green there is a photo of one in Aberystwyth. I think it is a non independant type. I assume the GWR would not replace one unless replacing it with a more modern type. Cannot look up the page ref as the books are still packed away. Don looked in my layout thread and found the following 'wire worked rotating lamp signal' at Aberystwyth in Green's coast lines vol 1 taken in 1906. It may be an independant type. Don 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davegreenly Posted February 4, 2019 Author Share Posted February 4, 2019 Thanks again. I'm currently looking for Vol1 of Cec Green's book which I know was in the railway room, however.........! If it is the common photo it will be the rear of the signal though. The older point indicator type is the one we want. A large O Gauge layout is in need of about half a dozen in 7mm! I'll resume my search! Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailWest Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 Try the WRM and/or the aforementioned book on Dutton then :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bécasse Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 4 hours ago, RailWest said: Which brings us back to the question of exactly what the OP was referring to by 'CamRly ground signal'? Edward Dorricott's book on ST Dutton suggests (p126) that Dutton provided rotating signals that were similar to old-style 'point indicators' and apparently often used as such; there is a photo of one taken in the former Winchcombe Rly Museum. Indeed, the only photograph that I could find of a CamRys ground signal (as opposed to GWR ground signals obviously provided in some profusion immediately after grouping) was of a Dutton-style rotating signal (which are quite distinctive and notably different from anyone else's). I did find photos of lots of places where I might have expected to find a ground signal (such as exits from sidings to running lines) only to find the signal conspicuous by its absence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Holliday Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 17 hours ago, RailWest said: Which brings us back to the question of exactly what the OP was referring to by 'CamRly ground signal'? Edward Dorricott's book on ST Dutton suggests (p126) that Dutton provided rotating signals that were similar to old-style 'point indicators' and apparently often used as such; there is a photo of one taken in the former Winchcombe Rly Museum. It would really help in enquiries like this if the OP could post photos of what he has got available, to save wasted effort. I am not an expert on the Cambrian Railways, nor do I have a copy of the Dutton book referred to, but I have in front of me a book with at least five clear views of ground signals in the Cambrian area. I have no way of knowing if they bear any resemblance to the OP's one, or the Dutton type, but would like to know before making the effort of copying them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davegreenly Posted February 5, 2019 Author Share Posted February 5, 2019 As mentioned previously, it is the front of the (Duttons type) rotating point ind icator that we were needing a photo of. In particular details of the shape of the front plate and it's colour. Afraid my knowledge of computing is insufficient to let me post a copy of the photo I have - I've only recently mastered the fountain pen! Thanks for all your efforts Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailWest Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 1. Square 2. Red Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Holliday Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 I would say they were rectangular not square. Like this one at Llanbedr from The Cambrian Railways by Peter Johnson, OPC. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailWest Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 1 hour ago, Nick Holliday said: I would say they were rectangular not square. Like this one at Llanbedr Indeed, you are correct. Having now read the accompanying text in the Dutton book, the author does state that the 'target' was 12.1/4" x 8.1/4", though to be fair to me :-) it did look square-ish in the photo that was taken at an angle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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