RMweb Gold chuffinghell Posted February 9, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 9, 2019 (edited) I’ve always had a negative view of my own abilities so adding coal to a loco has always filled me with dread as I’ve always been afraid of ruining a perfectly good loco however after doing it on my 58xx and getting positive comments from you guys I’ve made a start on my other locos starting with my 57xx I’ve also weathered a set of fire irons and a bucket which I’ve glued in place with glue n glaze (dries clear and surplus just wipes away) Edited February 9, 2019 by chuffinghell 7 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chuffinghell Posted February 9, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 9, 2019 Decided to add sand to the bucket, it looked like the loco was carrying a pale of milk 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon A Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 Why is the bucket filled with sand? The various references I have seen made in driver's and firemen's memoirs refers to them being filled with water for washing in. Gordon A 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chuffinghell Posted February 9, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 9, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Gordon A said: Why is the bucket filled with sand? The various references I have seen made in driver's and firemen's memoirs refers to them being filled with water for washing in. Gordon A I wasn’t sure what the bucket contained so took a guess and got it wrong I’ve since removed the offending item and I’ve done another one but this time I’ve dropped in a blob of enamel clear gloss in the hope it looks like water once it’s cured Edited February 9, 2019 by chuffinghell 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chuffinghell Posted February 9, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 9, 2019 (edited) On 09/02/2019 at 15:49, Gordon A said: Why is the bucket filled with sand? The various references I have seen made in driver's and firemen's memoirs refers to them being filled with water for washing in. Gordon A Hasn’t photographed very well but here is take two had to use the flash to try and show the ‘reflection’ in the water....dirty water Edited February 13, 2019 by chuffinghell 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chuffinghell Posted February 9, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 9, 2019 Made a start on the big boys too 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HonestTom Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 Looks great. I always think adding those details brings a model to life - one of these days, I'll get around to adding them to mine. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chuffinghell Posted February 12, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 12, 2019 16 minutes ago, HonestTom said: Looks great. I always think adding those details brings a model to life - one of these days, I'll get around to adding them to mine. Thank you Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyC Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 On 09/02/2019 at 18:08, chuffinghell said: Hasn’t photographed very well but here is take two had to use the flash to try and show the ‘reflection’ in the water....dirty water I have a feeling that the bucket wouldn't be carried with water in it, one because I suspect it would not have much in it after the first rough rail joint and secondly there is no reason to carry it full, after all the engine has thousands of gallons onboard, so the bucket can be filled when needed and possibly with hot water too! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chuffinghell Posted February 12, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 12, 2019 (edited) 30 minutes ago, JeremyC said: I have a feeling that the bucket wouldn't be carried with water in it, one because I suspect it would not have much in it after the first rough rail joint and secondly there is no reason to carry it full, after all the engine has thousands of gallons onboard, so the bucket can be filled when needed and possibly with hot water too! These castings are virtually solid so it was a case of trying to disguising this, hence the incorrect use of sand in the first instance Oh well! failed again If anyone asks it rained heavily the night before Edited February 12, 2019 by chuffinghell Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chuffinghell Posted February 14, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 14, 2019 I think I may have been able to acquire some empty/hollow buckets instead of the solid casting Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 57xx Posted February 16, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 16, 2019 (edited) On 09/02/2019 at 12:48, chuffinghell said: I’ve always had a negative view of my own abilities so adding coal to a loco has always filled me with dread as I’ve always been afraid of ruining a perfectly good loco After seeing your work here, I hope you've now seen your negative view was misplaced. Edited February 16, 2019 by 57xx Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chuffinghell Posted February 16, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 16, 2019 2 hours ago, 57xx said: After seeing your work here, I hope you've now seen your negative view was misplaced. Thats good of you to say, it’s very encouraging thank you chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted February 17, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 17, 2019 Real coal in bunkers/tenders and coal wagons is one of the cheapest, easiest, and most effective ways of improving the look of an RTR steam loco. It 'lifts' the model instantly, and the addition of tools and buckets is another very cheap and effective way of making a loco look less like a product and more like a model. But be warned, Chuffinghell, this is the top a very steep and slippery slope; you'll end up scratchbuilding broad gauge singles with full working inside motion if you aren't careful! Excellent stuff. Your next move should be IMHO to consider etched brass numberplates. Buckets were carried empty, and could be used for all sorts of things in a working day. Fresh and hot water for washing was available on the footplate, and sand lives in the sandboxes though the bucket may well be used to replenish them. Firemen's bicycles were hung from the fire iron hooks as well on occasion. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chuffinghell Posted February 17, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 17, 2019 (edited) 10 hours ago, The Johnster said: Your next move should be IMHO to consider etched brass numberplates. Buckets were carried empty, and could be used for all sorts Unfortunately I can’t seem to find anyone who supplies buckets that are not sold castings I have started to add etched brass number plates to some of my locos Edited February 17, 2019 by chuffinghell 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium uax6 Posted February 17, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 17, 2019 If you don't mind sacrificing the handle (which you can add again afterwards with a bit of wire), just get a small drill bit and drill down the bucket. Select a size that is smaller than the bottom of the bucket and go slowly! Andy G Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chuffinghell Posted February 17, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 17, 2019 13 minutes ago, uax6 said: If you don't mind sacrificing the handle (which you can add again afterwards with a bit of wire), just get a small drill bit and drill down the bucket. Select a size that is smaller than the bottom of the bucket and go slowly! Andy G I had already tried to move the handle out of the way to drill a hole but of course the handle broke off I’ll have a look at adding a wire handle although my skills are limited Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium uax6 Posted February 17, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 17, 2019 I'd drill a really small hole through each side of the bucket and thread a bit of 0.45 brass wire through the holes. If you do it so that the handle is inside the bucket the wire will push outwards holding itself in place. Andy G 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 30368 Posted February 17, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 17, 2019 Hi Chuffinghell, I think your loco's look really good with added coal and the weathering of 5814 look really good. The advice regarding the bucket is really good, I'm sure a 0.5m or smaller drill will do the job and the handle should just snap into place. Regarding fire irons and tools, I think you have used Springside Models castings, or perhaps Craftsman? These are all good but also 247 Developments make a nice etched brass set which is very fine (F16 is the part number I think). Good luck and keep coaling. Kind regards, Richard b 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chuffinghell Posted February 17, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 17, 2019 13 minutes ago, 30368 said: Hi Chuffinghell, I think your loco's look really good with added coal and the weathering of 5814 look really good. The advice regarding the bucket is really good, I'm sure a 0.5m or smaller drill will do the job and the handle should just snap into place. Regarding fire irons and tools, I think you have used Springside Models castings, or perhaps Craftsman? These are all good but also 247 Developments make a nice etched brass set which is very fine (F16 is the part number I think). Good luck and keep coaling. Kind regards, Richard b Thanks Richard, I’ve decided for the time being to abandon the use of a bucket youre quite right I’ve used springside castings Chris 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chuffinghell Posted March 1, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted March 1, 2019 (edited) Went about doing my 64xx a little different The current load is part of the cast weight with a pronounced ‘hump’ I’ve never been a big fan of over filled bunkers (personal preference) so instead of just gluing coal on top of the existing load I removed the casting (secured with two screws under the cab) and filled it flat-ish with a slight fall towards the cab refitted and added the coal afterwards Doesn’t look much different at the moment but I’ve only put the coal in dry, I’ll glue it in place once the loco has been weathered Edited March 1, 2019 by chuffinghell Poor spelling corrected 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chuffinghell Posted March 22, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted March 22, 2019 56xx and 45xx now done So that’s seven locos done, and three to go....once they get back from Steve at Grimy Times I'm aware that Steve adds coal at no extra cost but I’d like to do at least something myself, it’s only the weathering I’m not confident to do myself (best left to the expert) I’ve decided to added etched plates to all my locos, currently on order Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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