RMweb Premium Legend Posted February 14, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 14, 2019 It is a distinctive looking train . I think really a smart move to make one ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
atom3624 Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 That does look 'special'. Is 'running backwards' going to be a regular thing - just seems 'wrong' even if 'push-pull' services have been commonplace for decades? Al. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 53 minutes ago, atom3624 said: That does look 'special'. Is 'running backwards' going to be a regular thing - just seems 'wrong' even if 'push-pull' services have been commonplace for decades? Al. If by 'regular' you mean 50% of the time, then yes. 4 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
atom3624 Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 Sometimes stating the obvious is embarrassing but at least it clarifies!! Should be fun at scale, 'though I managed to do the same with my Hornby Super Detail HST for a few laps without major issue, albeit at reduced speed ... What length are the rakes typically - stay at 5-coach, or multiples of, not exceeding 10? Al. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 On 14/02/2019 at 09:21, adb968008 said: video of the TPE departing Carlisle, I'm old fashioned, it's nice to see "real" trains again, even if they are going backwards :-) Wouldn't it be nice someday if the Manchester - Glasgow turned into Class 88 and Mark5's too :-) Thank you for that. I agree about old-fashioned trains. I had a trip in a Class 150 when it was getting on in years. I was quite impressed but there is no getting away from the slight noise and vibration from the underfloor engine, even if it was well muffled. An unpowered coach avoids that problem. I didn’t follow Corporal Jones’ advice. I panicked because Dapol’s TPE 68s seemed to be disappearing like money at a booking office. One is on its way. I’m glad I panicked. Now for the Mk. Vs. (Note the old-fashioned touch. None of this new-fangled Arabic stuff for me!) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 21 hours ago, atom3624 said: Sometimes stating the obvious is embarrassing but at least it clarifies!! Should be fun at scale, 'though I managed to do the same with my Hornby Super Detail HST for a few laps without major issue, albeit at reduced speed ... What length are the rakes typically - stay at 5-coach, or multiples of, not exceeding 10? Al. Take a look at the video adb968008 posted on the previous screen for the TPE. A lovely, easily modellable train. With any luck, you’ll get a link to a video or two about the Caledonian Sleeper, which will have you thinking about an extension to your layout and an extension to your dwelling to accommodate it! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted February 15, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 15, 2019 I am officially mk5 ready... 10 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDG Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 It is a fine model isn't it? Mrs KDG has taken a shine to mine, and looks forward to the day when I can replace the boring yellow boxes with the pretty coaches! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Legend Posted February 17, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 17, 2019 (edited) Well my TPE 68 arrived on Friday. It is as you said a stunning model. I already have Avenger in DRS Compass livery but the TPE livery really adds to it . Struggling with something to run it with until your mk5s arrive. What became obvious was that Brutus didn’t like the wide couplings of my Lima, Hornby ,Joueff Mk3s , with derailments when the coupling throws on corners . i know the Dapol coupling on the 68s is a bit low or even droopy. It does run ok with the narrower couplings of my Airfix Mk2ds . I mention this only because obviously she needs to run well with your forthcoming Mk5s both pulling and pushing . I know you are at early stages but clearly testing compatibility of couplings would be very useful . Edited February 18, 2019 by Legend Got the name of my 68 wrong! Avenger not Astute 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
159220 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 11 hours ago, Legend said: testing compatibility of couplings . Only if there was some sort of universal standard manufacturers adhere to these days, hmm, ;) Sorry I tease, clearly we know the Normal European Modelling (NEM) Standards for coupling shall be applied to the Mk5As as they are to the Class 68. Of course, if you are going to push-pull, a Kadee semi-permental coupler is highly advised with the class 68. I believe Hornby’s latest Mk3 coaches come with a new NEM coupling? But then again, I cannot recall any suitable Mk3 livery produced to suit a 68. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 3 hours ago, 159220 said: ...Of course, if you are going to push-pull, a Kadee semi-permental coupler is highly advised with the class 68... I would suggest a more pragmatic approach if planning on installing couplers in the NEM pockets, and determining by trial once the vehicle combination is available which of the NEM compatible coupler options function best. If either or both vehicles have close coupling mechanisms fitted, then the 'rigid bar' couplers from Roco and Fleischmann are likely to function best, especially when propelling; as these act to positively recentre the mechanism exiting curves. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Accurascale Fran Posted February 18, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 18, 2019 Hi All, Like all Accurascale models, the NEM pocket will be at correct height. Tension locks are not great when it comes to push/pull operation so we will most likely provide a different coupling solution, which will be NEM compatible with additional couplings for the locomotive in the detail pack along with a spare tension lock for those who prefer that system. Cheers! Fran 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gridwatcher Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 20 hours ago, 071 said: Hi All, Like all Accurascale models, the NEM pocket will be at correct height. Tension locks are not great when it comes to push/pull operation so we will most likely provide a different coupling solution, which will be NEM compatible with additional couplings for the locomotive in the detail pack along with a spare tension lock for those who prefer that system. Cheers! Fran You'd be spot on there Fran. Our Scottish Push Pull 47/7s and mk2/3s (and push and pull sets 27/1 mk2s 27/2 etc) sets are all close coupled with Kadees and work perfectly. Seems obvious to sort of copy what the real thing uses as near as is possible. Will be intrigued by what solution you land on 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus-Jay Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 Another preemptive question.. Will the MkV DVT have pre-built provision/space for a speaker and sound fitting if we desired or would we be butchering the unit from the get-go? Cheers, Marcus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Accurascale Fran Posted February 19, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 19, 2019 52 minutes ago, Marcus-Jay said: Another preemptive question.. Will the MkV DVT have pre-built provision/space for a speaker and sound fitting if we desired or would we be butchering the unit from the get-go? Cheers, Marcus Hi Marcus, We're making provision for DCC fitment. Space for a sugarcube etc should be fine. Is this for station announcements, door sounds etc? Cheers! Fran 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus-Jay Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 32 minutes ago, 071 said: Hi Marcus, We're making provision for DCC fitment. Space for a sugarcube etc should be fine. Is this for station announcements, door sounds etc? Cheers! Fran Horn, brake sounds etc. I have a number of 'fitted' MkIII DVTsand it does add to things when the toot comes from the front. Not the sort of unit that will require a 'mega bass' speaker! Could probably throw in some guards announcements in there. And it is always nice when the lights work as a complete set with red at the back and white at the front. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted February 19, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 19, 2019 3 hours ago, Marcus-Jay said: Another preemptive question.. Will the MkV DVT have pre-built provision/space for a speaker and sound fitting if we desired or would we be butchering the unit from the get-go? Cheers, Marcus Pedant alert. The Mk5 isn't a DVT - it's a DTSO - driving trailer standard open - there is no guard's van space. Cheers, Mick 3 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
159220 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 3 hours ago, newbryford said: Pedant alert. Well seeing as it is the hour... The terminology by Beacon Rail (owner)/CAF (design/manufacture) of the Mk5A is: DT (Driving Trailer), T2 (Trailer Two with Cycle Space), two x T3 (Trailer Three's), T1 (Trailer One with TSI-PRM Access Toilet, First Class seating, Catering 'Area' and Staff/Guard 'Area') & Locomotive (Class 68). 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomag Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 6 hours ago, 159220 said: Well seeing as it is the hour... The terminology by Beacon Rail (owner)/CAF (design/manufacture) of the Mk5A is: DT (Driving Trailer), T2 (Trailer Two with Cycle Space), two x T3 (Trailer Three's), T1 (Trailer One with TSI-PRM Access Toilet, First Class seating, Catering 'Area' and Staff/Guard 'Area') & Locomotive (Class 68). We have a naming structure to avoid owners/builders obscurateing what is being produced, like the Mk4 'Pullmans' So we have DTSO, TSOx3, TSOD, BFO(T) (the latter depending on whether it has a parking brake) 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish_R_M Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 The Manufacturers drawings designate the TPE as T1 (universal access friendly coach), T2 (bike spaces), T3 (standard open) and DT (funky shaped cab bit) so it tallies with 159220's post, albeit his nomenclature is a bit more technical than mine. RM 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 On 18/02/2019 at 12:37, 071 said: Hi All, Like all Accurascale models, the NEM pocket will be at correct height. Tension locks are not great when it comes to push/pull operation so we will most likely provide a different coupling solution, which will be NEM compatible with additional couplings for the locomotive in the detail pack along with a spare tension lock for those who prefer that system. Cheers! Fran Hi Fran, My recommendation there would be the ROCO style couplings (Hornby supply them with their coaches). https://www.roco.cc/en/product/22591-0-0-0-0-0-0-003005-0/products.html https://www.petersspares.com/Hornby-x10626-nem-close-couplings-for-coaches-pk2.ir It locks the connection between vehicles, like a bar coupling from Bachmann, but allows you to be able to easily uncouple vehicles when you wish to break the train up for transport etc. These are really effective in making sure that the close coupling system works fully in both pull and push situations. My coach stock fitted with close coupling systems, only ever use these now. Rgds John 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus-Jay Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 18 hours ago, newbryford said: Pedant alert. The Mk5 isn't a DVT - it's a DTSO - driving trailer standard open - there is no guard's van space. Cheers, Mick I stand "pedanted" 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Colin_McLeod Posted February 20, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 20, 2019 (edited) Question for Accurascale/Irish Railway Models. At a quick glance the mk5 coaches are similar to the Irish Rail Mk 4 coaches on the Dublin to Cork line. Are they close enough for any of the following to give a reasonable representation: a) simple re livery, b) purchaser modification & repaint or c) RTR version? Edited February 20, 2019 by Colin_McLeod Correcting auto correct. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Accurascale Fran Posted February 20, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 20, 2019 21 minutes ago, Colin_McLeod said: Question for Accurascale/Irish Railway Models. At a quick glance the mk5 coaches are similar to the Irish Rail Mk 4 coaches on the Dublin to Cork line. Are they close enough for any of the following to give a reasonable representation: a) simple re livery, b) purchaser modification & repaint or c) RTR version? Hi Colin, unfortunately they’re quite different in profile, size, windows and bogies. So that’s a non-starter for us I’m afraid. Cheers! Fran 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Joseph_Pestell Posted February 20, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 20, 2019 19 minutes ago, 071 said: Hi Colin, unfortunately they’re quite different in profile, size, windows and bogies. So that’s a non-starter for us I’m afraid. Cheers! Fran Hi Fran, But a lot of the running gear, the hardest part to make on a model, is the same, I think. Perhaps you could make a few extras for people to use as parts in scratchbuilt Irish models? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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