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I have acquired some spotting notes from the 1960s, but the first pages I looked at seemed very unusual (if not highly unlikely) to me. 

 

The date is given as August 1964 and the location is 16A Nottingham, and the handwriting is very clear and neat. 

 

However, some of the locos seen are not quite what I would expect. 

 

I repeat the list here in the order they appear in the notebook:-

 

48635 48127 92019 75064 45277 63806 44132 78020 44158 48639 48064 44472 48666 43870 44223 48205 44248 90391 43835 75062 48604 92094 45649 44658 42587 75022 75055 42054 75063 78028 45454 46100 44030 42140 92076 45561 40079 40165 92124 76044 42790 48065 48696 48323 48099 48675 48377 43888 44577 43953 44195 43928 48170 48624 48217 44578 43917 43918 48069 48393 43958 78021 44033 48763 47631

 

Now, I understand that at this time there was a wholesale withdrawal of steam locos as diesels (especially the EE3s and Brush4s) took over; and that many sheds had multiple lines of redundant engines awaiting a tow to scrapyards - as seems to be the case with 8Fs here; but the number which surprises me is 46100. 

 

There is no difference between this and any other entry on the page, and yet according to all official records 46100 had been on static display at Butlins Skegness for a year. I am aware that it swapped identity in the 1930s, but I would not have thought anyone would see 46152 and write down its original number without putting the cabside number in brackets; and anyway in Aug 64 46152 was a Holyhead loco so unlikely to be at Nottingham. 

 

This is something of a mystery, and I don't know what the answer is. The Nottingham visit seems to be part of a trawl around sheds in that area, and would anyone get the year wrong by late summer? January maybe, but not August. 

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46100 was a Nott'm engine from August 1961 to its withdrawal in October 1962. Maybe in store pending a decision on its future.

 

Edit  -Oops, forgot about the Butlins connection.  Could it've been 46500, which was a Derby engine at this period?

 

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 It is shown on the BR database as allocated to Nottingham, 16A in 1961 and withdrawn from there in 1962  (and according to Wiki went to Butlins in 1963).  Could the number have been an error for one of the GC 'Scots' which were still at Annesley in 1964.

 

Or could the date be wrong as 63806, definitely an Annesley engine was also withdrawn in 1962

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Thanks folks. You could be right, because 40079 was cut up in Dec 1962. 

 

Mind you, some of the locos don't fit for either year. 

 

47631 was Agecroft in 1962 and Skipton in 1964 (I tend to look at the smaller locos because they were unlikely to stray too far).

 

75022 was Oxford in 1962 and Bristol Barrow Rd in 1964, and there is no evidence it was allocated any closer to Nottingham in its 12 year life-span. 

 

Basically, I am going to have to treat these notes with a high degree of suspicion - which is a shame as they probably contain some useful info. 

 

 

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Oh dear, this is not good at all. The next depot after the Nottingham visit is Staveley GC, but that is listed as 38D; which it had been up to 1958. 

 

From then until closure in 1965, it was 41H.

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Well, in for a penny - in for a pound; as they say. 

 

Here is a list of locos purportedly seen at Bo'ness Docks Scrap Line in June 1964. 

 

This list includes engines which were said to have been cut up a year or more earlier. (Could it be that the withdrawal and scrapping dates listed on the internet are all wrong?). 

 

67619 68479 40158 62496 68119 69014 64472 64545 57314 67676 67632 68454 64515 64518 64535 57287 62052 57366 69183 57338 62031 57245 64477 57470 64532 67625 40200 57285 68472 40154 57576 40177 69126 62691 69163 68448 67626 69131 69181 69137 65230 62693 67655 67622 69191 67611 67614 65280 90436

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Royal Scot sat unused alongside Nottingham shed for many months, almost like a gate guardian. The story was it had cracked frames and, as such, couldn't be used. No idea if that was true or just spotters rumour.

It's possible that various Annesley locos could turn up at Nottingham for repair as it was the major shed for the district since Annesley was subsumed in the great LMR line grab, previously the major shed had been Colwick.

Interesting about Bo'Ness docks as well. As a 10 year old in 1963 I went, along with my parents, on a massive shed bash around Glasgow and Edinburgh. We travelled in a friends Bedford CA minibus and stayed in a hotel which introduced me to the 'nice' way the Scots do porridge, with salt Yuck!

As part of this expedition our friend was chasing his last Duchess 46230 Duchess of Buccleuch (SP?) which he had heard was at Bo'Ness dump. When we arrived there was nothing at all, this makes me wonder if we were even in the right place? We did see may stored locos along the way including the first five Clans and the 'final' batch of 8Fs including 48773

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30 minutes ago, jonny777 said:

Thanks Great Central, that is most interesting. I have looked through the rest of the notes, but so far have found nothing on stored Clans. 

They were at a shed, I forget which one, which seemed to be out of use otherwise. I still have the notes, written by my dad, somewhere

Also recall watching an ancient 0-6-0 pushing coal wagons up to a coaling stage, several attempts and retreats back down the yard before they got to the top of the ramp.

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48 minutes ago, jonny777 said:

Thanks Great Central, that is most interesting. I have looked through the rest of the notes, but so far have found nothing on stored Clans. 

 

14 minutes ago, great central said:

They were at a shed, I forget which one, which seemed to be out of use otherwise. I still have the notes, written by my dad, somewhere

 

The Polmadie Clans were first stored at Polmadie itself, then at Parkhead shed, which no longer had an allocation of its own.

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14 hours ago, jonny777 said:

Well, in for a penny - in for a pound; as they say. 

 

Here is a list of locos purportedly seen at Bo'ness Docks Scrap Line in June 1964. 

 

This list includes engines which were said to have been cut up a year or more earlier. (Could it be that the withdrawal and scrapping dates listed on the internet are all wrong?). 

 

67619 68479 40158 62496 68119 69014 64472 64545 57314 67676 67632 68454 64515 64518 64535 57287 62052 57366 69183 57338 62031 57245 64477 57470 64532 67625 40200 57285 68472 40154 57576 40177 69126 62691 69163 68448 67626 69131 69181 69137 65230 62693 67655 67622 69191 67611 67614 65280 90436

 

The date is definitely wrong. 


I count 49 engines in that list. I can't find any information I would consider reliable for 16 of them. Information that I think is reasonably reliable says that 33 were at Bo'ness at some time. 20 had left before April 1963. 13 on that list were still there in April 1963, but I don't know how long they would have stayed after that.

 

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These notes go back quite a way. 

 

This purports to be the result of an hour or two at Harrogate on 14th May 1956

 

61086 61310 61421 61431 61478 62736 62740 62752 62759 62762 62763 62773 62774 64706 64818 64821 64835 64845 64847 64855 64857 64859 64866 64867 64942 64944 65673 68392 69430 90014 90044 90465 E79502 E79002 

 

This may have included a Starbeck visit, although there is no mention on the page. 

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On the same day; 14th May 1956, my man visited Doncaster. 

 

The station produced, 

 

13131 64209 47300 47429 60131 60539 61026 61047 61155 61174 61194 61213 61318 61327 61374 61452 61652 61804 61945 62660 63698 63722 63775 63800 63943 63945 64344 64451 64906 67391 68491 68527 69277 69535 69800 68974 70003 90066 92035 92042 92071 E79021 E79613 E79062 E79278

 

Next was The Plant, 

 

11894 43076 60010 60019 60020 60033 60039 60047 60064 60078 60092 60120 60129 60155 60156 60523 60527 60538 60842 60870 61087 61097 61120 61125 61166 61203 61208 61231 61243 61331 61600 61602 61606 61633 61647 61840 61846 61948 61951 61974 61997 62034 62043 62044 62069 62070 63930 63947 64188 64196 64234 67384 68022 68181 68845 68903 68906 68912 69477 69529 69581 76020 

 

Finally the loco shed, 

 

41779 43069 43139 48090 60016 60048 60055 60067 60109 60112 60117 60142 60149 60157 60533 60700 60841 60849 60852 60856 60859 60870 60872 60876 60896 60911 60935 60956 61107 61121 61122 61124 61127 61128 61158 61170 61171 61193 61196 61247 61250 61417 61424 61477 61804 61826 61886 61945 62023 62051 62767 63653 63935 63952 63956 63962 63964 63974 63976 63977 63978 63981 63987 64193 64232 64236 64258 64261 64285 64296 64376 64407 64737 64757 64825 64838 64966 64972 67367 68020 68507 68621 68761 68778 68811 68835 68836 68853 68869 68938 69474 90042 90083 90085 90224 90305 90383 90394 90469 90532 90537 90603 90636 90674 92068 92070 92073 92076

 

 

Those were the days....

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Withdrawn engines could live on scrap lines for quite a while. The case I have in mind is De Robeck, a Jubilee which did not show up in my "Combined" - and there was a lag between those being prepared and them appearing in one's hand.

 

Anyway, I saw the engine and was deeply puzzled by its absence from the printed data. It lived on Edgeley's scrap line for what seemed like an eternity - maybe a couple of years?

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Log from SW England  Saturday 7th July 1962

 

Note: Many of the locos are steam (I have added any names here to avoid any confusion) and not all had reporting numbers. The early hydraulics were without 4-character headcodes.

 

I can’t vouch for all the headcodes/ train destinations being correct. I have simply transcribed what is written down.

 

Comments/corrections are welcome.

 

 

 

PAIGNTON

 

D840 2C91 Kingswear 0930

 

5154 Paignton pilot

 

D6329 + D818 1N37 Devonian 0935 

 

Our anonymous spotter seems to have travelled on this train as far as Newton Abbot.

 

 

TORQUAY 0945

 

D831

 

 

NEWTON ABBOT arr 0957

 

D6349 D4160 D823 PWM652 D4014 D3513

 

D841  1M91 0640 Penzance to Liverpool

 

6826  ’Nannerth Grange’  1V86 Manchester to Penzance  - D6339 added as pilot.

 

34107  ‘Blandford Forum’  arr 1014

 

D824 on through service to Paddington pass 1021

 

D7026 dep 1023 on 1018 Newton Abbot to Bradford

 

D811 reporting no C58 passed at Dawlish Warren 1050

 

Exeter arr 1111

 

 

EXETER ST DAVIDS

 

3659 D2182 D4129 1466 1470 5944 5555 7316 5412 4037 W50090 W59090 W50132

 

D7015 dn main 1113

 

D802 up main 1116

 

D846 1C25 to Penzance 1117

 

4933  ‘Himley Hall’  Cardiff to Plymouth 1124

 

34080  ’74 Squadron’ from SR 1125 deg 1134 to Barnstaple

 

D7027  1F30 1015 Paignton to Carmarthen 1126

 

D831  1A49 1040 Torquay to Paddington 1129

 

D850  1C60 to Paignton 1133

 

34020  ’Seaton’ local to Ilfracombe 1137

 

D7017  1H22 1005 Kingswear to Wolverhampton 1139

 

D7003  1C64 1142

 

D805  Plymouth to Manchester 1146

 

34096  ’Trevone’ Surbiton to Okehampton Car Carrier 1147 (a new one for me)

 

D863  1A51 1100 Paignton to Paddington through 1149

 

D843  Paddington to Falmouth 1150

 

34081  ’92 Squadron’  Exeter to Waterloo - banked by 30956  1155

 

34108  ‘Wincanton’  to Plymouth 1158

 

D817  1C70 to Paignton through 1206

 

34033  ‘Chard’  Plymouth to Portsmouth - banked by 30954 1207

 

D7021  1V26 to Paignton 1209

 

D7000 1M93 1045 Kingswear to Manchester 1210

 

D816  1A65  to Paddington 1211

 

30955 + 30956 return 1213

 

34106  ‘Lydford’  up ACE - banked by 30956 1220

 

D870 up through 1227

 

6919  ’Tylney Hall’  1C23 Cornishman 1230

 

34078  ‘222 Squadron’ up ACE - banked by 30955 1233

 

D7006 1M23 to Nottingham 1234

 

D840  1A66  1240

 

D862  1C29  to Newquay 1241

 

34058  ’Sir Frederick Pile’  up Brighton 1245

 

D817  1C59 to Paignton 1251

 

1466  dep to Dulverton 1252

 

D7018 1V27 to Paignton 1256

 

D845 to Paddington 1257

 

34024  ’Tamar Valley’  to Plymouth 1305

 

31843  to Central 1307

 

6025  ‘King Henry III’ are 1311 service terminated

 

D811  to Paddington 1316

 

D851  to Kingswear 1324

 

34023  ‘Blackmore Vale’ Ilfracombe to Waterloo - banked by 30955 + 30956 1325

 

D7016  to Cardiff 1326

 

D828  up Cornish Riviera 1334

 

D800  to Paddington 1338

 

D854  1V48 1341

 

34002. ’Salisbury’ to Waterloo - banked by 30956 1347

 

D809  1C35 to Penzance 1349

 

D7011  1M97 Kingswear to Manchester 1350

 

D7007  to Kingswear 1352

 

34076  ’41 Squadron’ local to Ilfracombe 1353

 

D855 up Cornish Riviera 1356

 

5034  ‘Corfe Castle’ 1C34 to Penzance through 1400

 

D848  1V31 to Plymouth 1409

 

34081 ’92 Squadron’ to Padstow 1410

 

D7015  1H31 Paignton to Wolverhampton 1413

 

34015  to Waterloo 1416

 

1466 from Tiverton 1417

 

4087  ‘Cardigan Castle’  A83 Paignton to Paddington 1420

 

D865  1C78 to Paignton 1421

 

D1003  1C33 to Penzance 1431

 

D827  1C36 to Penzance 1433

 

D836 1A86 to Paddington 1437

 

D7008  1V33 to Paignton 1442

 

31834  to Waterloo 1447

 

9633 arr parcels, loco to yard 1450

 

34074  ’46 Squadron’ to Ilfracombe 1456

 

D829  1C91 Torbay Express through 1457

 

D835  1M96 to Manchester 1458

 

34058  ’Sir Frederick Pile’  from Plymouth 1504

 

D850  1A92 to Paddington 1508

 

D7019 1C79 Wolverhampton to Paignton 1510

 

D818  1H34  to Wolverhampton 1514

 

D838  1C37 to Newquay 1521

 

D822  1H37 to Wolverhampton through 1529

 

D820  1V88 Manchester to Plymouth 1530

 

D7003 + D867  1N87 to York 1531

 

1466  from Tiverton 1535

 

D839  1F59 to Swansea 1539

 

D849 1A03 to Paddington through 1553

 

30956 + 34068 to Ilfracombe and Torrington 1600

 

5001  ‘Llandovery Castle’  C39 to Plymouth 1601

 

D817  1A11 to Paddington through 1607

 

D7026 1V89 to Paignton 1609

 

31833  to Central 1611

 

D864  1C84  to Paignton 1618

 

D807  up Royal Duchy 1619

 

34051  ‘Winston Churchill’ to Waterloo 1625

 

34015  ‘Exmouth’ Brighton to Plymouth 1626

 

D826  1V92  to Paignton 1629

 

D837  1H44 Paignton to Wolverhampton 1629

 

34096  ’Trevone’ Okehampton to Surbiton Car Carrier - banked by 30956 1633

 

D805  Newcastle to Paignton 1635

 

D869  1T41 to Cardiff 1639

 

30125  l/e to Central 1642

 

34011  ’Tavistock’  to Plymouth 1648

 

D7017  1V39 Devonian to Paignton 1653

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Enthusiasts Society visit to Crewe Works 

 

5th April 1956

 

 

12005 12009 12012 12034 12046 12048 12051 13019 13034 13055 13100 40069 40080 40108 40461 40646 41000 41180 41225 41241 41249 41283 41901 42148 42227 42267 42309 42312 42415 42442 42452 42487 42492 42546 42562 42566 42595 42615 42629 42814 42856 43231 43286 43308 43839 43876 44027 44490 44492 44517 44694 44709 44740 44771 44819 44832 44873 44982 45004 45052 45062 45109 45111 45143 45144 45196 45299 45304 45311 45344 45353 45385 45422 45439 45563 45584 45636 45646 45648 45717 46104 46110 46209 46232 46238 46242 46246 46423 46458 47286 47384 47431 47592 47649 47653 47862 47992 48089 48120 48438 48453 48659 48671 48922 49105 49122 49198 49229 49275 49330 51412 51444 51446 52207 52312 52439 56032 58178 58182 70049 72004 73072 80065 90201 90206 90265 90267 90326 90392 90673 90711 92020 92021 92080* 92081* 92082* 92084* 92098# 92099# M79642 M28248M M28280M M28290M

 

*= under construction  #= new frames only

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