Pace Yourself - photos of the final(?) Pacer countdown

[EmporiaSub]

Meanwhile, down in Devon, earlier in December, the Exmouth / Barnstaple and Paignton services are a mixture of 143’s and 150’s....

 

[eastwestdivide]

A pacer almost looks quite classy in that GWR green livery.

[eastwestdivide]

Half an hour sitting in the warm sun at Rotherham today for another quick survey.

at 1318 a 3-car 144 on a Sheffield-Adwick

the half past tram 399206

at 1328, a 150/1 on a Sheff-Leeds

at 1328, a 3-car 144 on a Doncaster-Sheffield

at 1344, 1x153 plus a 2-car 144 on a Sheff-Donc

at 1345, a 150/1 on a Leeds-Sheff

the o'clock tram 399202

at 1358, a 2-car 144 on an Adwick-Sheff (video below)

the ten past tram cancelled

 

 

[Claude_Dreyfus]

Unidentified Pacer approaching Manchester Victoria, taken from the Wheel of Manchester - August 2009.

[charliepetty]

On 26/12/2019 at 13:12, EmporiaSub said:

Meanwhile, down in Devon, earlier in December, the Exmouth / Barnstaple and Paignton services are a mixture of 143’s and 150’s....

 

How long are the 143's going on for at Exeter, does anyone know ?????????????

 

Charlie

[DRS Crewe On A Mission]

3 hours ago, charliepetty said:

How long are the 143's going on for at Exeter, does anyone know ?????????????

 

Charlie

 

For the eight GWR 143s I haven't seen no definite date for withdrawal from service. I have read though that a handful of Northern 142s be in active service in 2020, as well as all 23 144s which are also operated by Northern. However the 144s should be staying in service until May 2020. It's also been said that TFW will keep their pacers in traffic into 2020, but as per GWR no withdrawal date mentioned. So yes all three operators will be using pacers in active service into 2020 but they must be coupled to a PRM compliant unit. 

 

Going back onto GWR, I have read recently and seen photos online as proof that GWR 150s are been coupled to the 143s to ensure compliancy, so I am assuming that as soon as further/more 150s become available the operation of 143s will cease. 

 

Hope this helps. 

[Rob F]

Had a ride on a 144 from Leeds to Castleford and back yesterday and a I can honestly say it was a better experience than being on a 150. The engine noise was less obtrusive and the view out of the window was far superior. Even the ride was acceptable on what I assume was well maintained track.

[newbryford]

15 hours ago, DRS Crewe On A Mission said:

 

For the eight GWR 143s I haven't seen no definite date for withdrawal from service. I have read though that a handful of Northern 142s be in active service in 2020, as well as all 23 144s which are also operated by Northern. However the 144s should be staying in service until May 2020. It's also been said that TFW will keep their pacers in traffic into 2020, but as per GWR no withdrawal date mentioned. So yes all three operators will be using pacers in active service into 2020 but they must be coupled to a PRM compliant unit. 

 

 

 

From another thread.

https://www.railwaygazette.com/uk/non-prm-compliant-trains-get-last-minute-derogation/55433.article

[black and decker boy]

22 minutes ago, newbryford said:

 

From another thread.

https://www.railwaygazette.com/uk/non-prm-compliant-trains-get-last-minute-derogation/55433.article

Thanks Mick, seems the festive malaise has hit me and I’ve posted in a totally inappropriate thread. Here is my post in full:

 

The government table reproduced here:

 

https://www.railwaygazette.com/uk/non-prm-compliant-trains-get-last-minute-derogation/55433.article

 

Gives derogation end dates as:

GWR 143, 31/12/2020

TfW 142, 31/07/2020

TfW 143, 31/07/2020

Northern 142, 31/05/2020

Northern 144, 31/08/2020

so those GWR green 143s could be bouncing around for another year yet.

 

 

[eastwestdivide]

Looking at those dates, it’s just as well I put a question mark after the word ‘final’ in the thread title. 

 

[newbryford]

34 minutes ago, black and decker boy said:

Thanks Mick, seems the festive malaise has hit me and I’ve posted in a totally inappropriate thread. Here is my post in full:

 

The government table reproduced here:

 

https://www.railwaygazette.com/uk/non-prm-compliant-trains-get-last-minute-derogation/55433.article

 

Gives derogation end dates as:

GWR 143, 31/12/2020

TfW 142, 31/07/2020

TfW 143, 31/07/2020

Northern 142, 31/05/2020

Northern 144, 31/08/2020

so those GWR green 143s could be bouncing around for another year yet.

 

 

 

The bit about compliant buses makes for interesting reading.

[black and decker boy]

More detail now available here: in 

 

Northern: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/arriva-rail-north-accessibility-compliance-dispensation

 

TfW: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/transport-for-wales-rail-service-accessibility-compliance-dispensation

 

GWR:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/great-western-railway-accessibility-compliance-dispensation

 

Edited December 31, 2019 by black and decker boy

[4630]

The first move of Northern 142s from Gascoigne Wood Sidings to Newport Docks (Sims Group) for scrapping is in the schedule for 7th January.

 

The timings don’t appear to be showing on Realtime Trains yet, but I understand that 5Z42 is scheduled for;

Gascoigne Wood Sidings 06.20

Wakefield Kirkgate 06.44-07.19

Heaton Norris Junction 08.28-08.38

Crewe 09.32-09.36

Shrewsbury 11.15-11.17

Moreton-On-Lugg 12.10-12.14

Newport 13.13-13.15

Newport Docks (Sims Group) 13.50

 

There are also a couple of 5Z42 moves in the schedule for 6th January from Gascoigne Wood Sidings to Kingsbury.  Timings available here;

5Z42 - Gas Wood 06.39) - Kingsbury, 6th January 2020

 

5Z42 - Gas Wood (09.40) - Kingsbury, 6th January 2020

 

Whether all/some/none of the above run remains to be seen, but gen given in good faith. 

 

Edited January 5, 2020 by 4630
To add timings for both 5Z42 on 6th January.

[sir douglas]

its up now

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/O77536/2020-01-07/detailed

[4630]

Three Northern Pacers made their final journey on 7th January working as 5Z42, 06.20 Gascoigne Wood Sidings to Newport Docks (Sims Group).

 

Passing through Deighton at day break were 142042+142015+142066.

 

 

[Jack Mc]

144011 at Elsecar, 07/01/20

 

Jack

[4630]

Another day and another move of withdrawn Northern Pacers.

 

On 8th January 2020, despite what is showing on the destination blind, working 5Z43, 10.28 Newton Heath TMD to Gascoigne Wood Sidings, 142024, 142054 and 142062 head east at Heaton Lodge Junction.

 

 

 

GBRf 66746 'Crossrail' has just sneaked into the background with 6M36, 09.54 Drax to Liverpool Biomass Terminal, empty biomass hoppers.

[Jack Mc]

144002 at Elsecar, 08/01/20

 

 

Followed by the crowd of people who weren't allowed onto the train as it was at capacity, taken a couple of minutes after it had left!

 

I suppose to an extent this shows how Pacers weren't really designed for urban commuter running...

 

Jack

[Rowsley17D]

20 minutes ago, Jack Mc said:

144002 at Elsecar, 08/01/20

 

 

Followed by the crowd of people who weren't allowed onto the train as it was at capacity, taken a couple of minutes after it had left!

 

I suppose to an extent this shows how Pacers weren't really designed for urban commuter running...

 

Jack

 

What a way to run a service - not.

[newbryford]

142s are hanging in there on the Manchester-Clitheroe duty.

 

On their own, in pairs or often with 150 or 153 and the odd 156.

 

Until December 158s were very, very rare on the hourly service but regulars on the Sunday only Dalesrail my way.

Last Saturday I think was the first time since the line reopened to passengers in 1994 that there was a 142/158 pairing.

 

Make the most of them (should you be so inclined) while you can.

Edited January 8, 2020 by newbryford

[dvdlcs]

Seeing the Pacers running in 6-car formation for disposal, did they ever run in 6-car formation in regular service?

 

One example I know, as I saw it, was the inaugural runs after the Bathgate line reopened for passenger traffic, when 3 Class 143s ran in formation between Edinburgh Waverley and Bathgate. But that may be considered a 'special' and wasn't typical, at least not on the Bathgate line.

[Jack Mc]

144015 at Elsecar, working the 12.09 to Sheffield. 9/1/20

 

Jack

Edited January 9, 2020 by Jack Mc
Added date

[eastwestdivide]

2 hours ago, Jack Mc said:

...

144015 at Elsecar, working the 12.09 to Sheffield. 9/1/20

 

Jack

Are you around Elsecar enough to get an impression of what proportion of the Sheffield/Penistone/Hudds and Sheffield/Barnsley/Castleford/Leeds stoppers are still 144s?

Haven't seen a 142 in S Yorks for ages it seems.

[Jack Mc]

1 hour ago, eastwestdivide said:

Are you around Elsecar enough to get an impression of what proportion of the Sheffield/Penistone/Hudds and Sheffield/Barnsley/Castleford/Leeds stoppers are still 144s?

Haven't seen a 142 in S Yorks for ages it seems.

Hi,

 

I have also not seen a 142 since around mid December, and with the number of 195s one the line I doubt they will return. Between September and early December the Sheffield to Huddersfield was almost always a 158, however since then three car 144s have returned and it is very rare that anything else works the diagrams. It is very occasionally a two car 144, 150 or 158.

 

The Leeds locals are a combination of mainly two and three coach 144s, however a few more 150s and 158s end up on this too. Leeds to Nottingham is 158s and 195s, and the Leeds to Lincoln appears to almost always be a 195 now. The Leeds to Sheffield fast is generally a 158, although I have seen 150s and 144s do this from time to time.

 

Hope this helps

 

Jack

[4630]

Just to add to the above, that the Hudds-Castleford and the Hudds-Bradford Interchange via Halifax (previously the Hudds-Leeds via BDI) services, which were solid class 144 diagrams, are now in the hands of class 153s. 

Edited January 9, 2020 by 4630