RMweb Gold russ p Posted December 15, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 15, 2019 10 minutes ago, Mark Saunders said: Rather like the 144s that originally did not have a marker light only position and a headlight was always displayed. You have got me thinking now mark did the 143s have it? Probably not as the switch was off right or left and tail Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 1 minute ago, russ p said: You have got me thinking now mark did the 143s have it? Probably not as the switch was off right or left and tail I can’t remember as I only drove them in service for their last week out of Darlington before the were sent South! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted December 15, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 15, 2019 I'm sure they were the same except the 144 had a steeper raked dash. I took the first one south and years later when I worked for GB took the first one onto the southern to eastleigh 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TravisM Posted December 15, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 15, 2019 23 minutes ago, russ p said: I'm sure they were the same except the 144 had a steeper raked dash. I took the first one south and years later when I worked for GB took the first one onto the southern to eastleigh When I worked for Wessex Trains and the First Great Western, I’m sure Pacers we’re banned on the Southern region? The furthest south they could get in my neck of the woods was Warminster though I did hear of a Class 143 accidentally ending up in Southampton as it was supposed to be detached at Westbury but not put on the drivers diagram. Lots of red faces all round. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted December 15, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 15, 2019 18 minutes ago, jools1959 said: When I worked for Wessex Trains and the First Great Western, I’m sure Pacers we’re banned on the Southern region? The furthest south they could get in my neck of the woods was Warminster though I did hear of a Class 143 accidentally ending up in Southampton as it was supposed to be detached at Westbury but not put on the drivers diagram. Lots of red faces all round. Maybe one got there before I took that one, mine would have been 2006/7 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TravisM Posted December 16, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 16, 2019 2 hours ago, russ p said: Maybe one got there before I took that one, mine would have been 2006/7 I expect they got a special operating notice after I left, to and from Eastleigh as I remember seeing several at the works in 2009. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 4630 Posted December 16, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 16, 2019 And yet another VSTP move is in the schedule today. This time from Newton Heath TMD to Gascoigne Wood. 5Z43 10.30 Newton Heath TMD to Gascoigne Wood (12.45) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 4630 Posted December 16, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 16, 2019 (edited) Although 5G42, which I mentioned in my post yesterday and which is in the schedule M-F this week, hasn't run today, here passing through Sowerby Bridge is 5Z43, 10.30 Newton Heath TMD to Gascoigne Wood. The Pacers were 142057+142048+142053. Edited December 16, 2019 by 4630 12 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owd Bob Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 Had a day out to Wigan today, for what might be my last look and a ride on a 142, i'm gonna be laid up for several weeks as i have an op' coming up this week. So i probably won't be able to go see the last runs or record them before they finally go. The cl.150's are more abundant here now, but i did see three 142 units on Wallgate station between 1.00pm and 2.45pm, mainly coupled to cl.150's. these being 061, 055, & running un-attached to anything 041. Lucky for me i got my last bone shakin' ride back on one to Daisy Hill in 061. 4 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacerfan Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 Following the Class 142 cull at the weekend, I was surprised to see a single 142 on the 12:35 Kirkby to Manchester Victoria service today. Unfortunately, I wasn't close enough to see the unit number. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulcan product fan Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 Still working hard today 144007 at Doncaster 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Phil Mc Posted December 16, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 16, 2019 This afternoon I finally took a ride on the last 144 I needed for haulage, after spending years desperately trying to avoid them !! Spent around an hour on Sheffield station, didn't see a single 142. There's also been a significant increase in the number of 195's seen on the Sheffield-Leeds via Barnsley route over the last week. Cheers, Phil. 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owd Bob Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 1 hour ago, pacerfan said: Following the Class 142 cull at the weekend, I was surprised to see a single 142 on the 12:35 Kirkby to Manchester Victoria service today. Unfortunately, I wasn't close enough to see the unit number. That was more than likely as not 041, which i saw return to wigan later that aft' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
APOLLO Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 Bob, while your laid up take some time on this site (you will need it - thousands of photos !!) - No pacers but I.m sure you'll like it - https://www.timepix.uk/PAGES/Top-Line-navigation-pages/Browse-maps/n-3sMzQP/Wigan https://www.timepix.uk/Collection-galleries/OS-Revision-Points-in-Greater-Manchester/1940s-1950s-Wigan/Leigh-and-Westleigh/ Best wishes for your op, look after thysen !! Thanks everybody for the Pacer pics - but I'll be happy to see the bl**dy things go - Try riding on one downhill from Kearsley to Salford at over 80mph (yes !!), engines screaming away & rockin & rollin more than Elvis - what's that warm feeling down below - hope it's sweat !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Looking forward to our new trains when we get the drivers trained to drive them !!!! Brit15 2 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 4630 Posted December 17, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 17, 2019 There's a movement in the schedule tomorrow from Heaton T&RSMD to Shildon which, if the rumours are to be believed, is 142001 heading to the NRM's 'loving care' at Locomotion. 5Z42 10.41 Heaton T&RSMD to Shildon 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacerfan Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 14 hours ago, APOLLO said: Bob, while your laid up take some time on this site (you will need it - thousands of photos !!) - No pacers but I.m sure you'll like it - https://www.timepix.uk/PAGES/Top-Line-navigation-pages/Browse-maps/n-3sMzQP/Wigan https://www.timepix.uk/Collection-galleries/OS-Revision-Points-in-Greater-Manchester/1940s-1950s-Wigan/Leigh-and-Westleigh/ Best wishes for your op, look after thysen !! Thanks everybody for the Pacer pics - but I'll be happy to see the bl**dy things go - Try riding on one downhill from Kearsley to Salford at over 80mph (yes !!), engines screaming away & rockin & rollin more than Elvis - what's that warm feeling down below - hope it's sweat !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Looking forward to our new trains when we get the drivers trained to drive them !!!! Brit15 We are unlikely to get new trains on the Atherton line though. It is more likely to be slightly older150/1s cascaded down. I have always detested them from new. I feel that the claustrophobic nature and the excessive noise from their 1960s designed marine engines negates the benefits of having bogies and makes me very stressed and anxious travelling on them. I will probably start driving to the Astley Park and Ride and catch the guided bus into Manchester instead. I find it ironic that so much is made of the bad ride quality of Pacers, when a fair number of lines in Greater Manchester have been converted to Metrolink, yet the trams offer a poorer ride with severe bogie hunting at speed and less seats. I used to travel around West Yorkshire a lot in the early 1990s when the Class 141s were still in service. This area had mostly constantly welded track then and the Class 141s gave a largely acceptable ride. In fact they were my favourite Class of Pacer, largely because they retained SCG gearboxes, (except 141113). 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owd Bob Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 Cheers Apollo, looking forward to going through that lot of pics' over the festering time. I was very lucky to get back home yesterday and just got on the last train before the cancellation chaos all around Manch' started. A big con' and an early warning of the shape of things to come was the so called non working information boards which were said to have a fault, but yet not faulty enough to tell you to use your mobile to get info' from another site. That 80mph ride sounds like one the best scary fairground rides ever.....hang on! i have an idea! Do think a 142 would fit on the tracks at the 'Big one' at Blackpool? Thanks Folks have good xmas and new year. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owd Bob Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 18 minutes ago, pacerfan said: I will probably start driving to the Astley Park and Ride and catch the guided bus into Manchester instead. Good luck on that one, the early morn' and evening buses are packed out, they only take 15-20 mins to get to the East Lancs Rd. at Walkden from Leigh, but it then can take up to an hour and half some days to get the rest of the way to Mank! Wonder if we'll get the promised investment and a railway again in this new Tory borough of Leigh. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacerfan Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, Owd Bob said: Good luck on that one, the early morn' and evening buses are packed out, they only take 15-20 mins to get to the East Lancs Rd. at Walkden from Leigh, but it then can take up to an hour and half some days to get the rest of the way to Mank! Wonder if we'll get the promised investment and a railway again in this new Tory borough of Leigh. It would be Saturdays when I would use it. I used to use it a lot when the guards were on strike last year. I am surprised that the Wigan NW to Lostock Jct stretch has not been electrified yet as it would free up a number of DMUs. It shouldn't be that difficult to put Leigh back on the rail map, as a short link from the Liverpool to Manchester line would be all that is needed. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonC Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 6 minutes ago, pacerfan said: It would be Saturdays when I would use it. I used to use it a lot when the guards were on strike last year. I am surprised that the Wigan NW to Lostock Jct stretch has not been electrified yet as it would free up a number of DMUs. It shouldn't be that difficult to put Leigh back on the rail map, as a short link from the Liverpool to Manchester line would be all that is needed. I agree the line isn't too far away from Leigh, but I cant really see that happening without obvious access to Leigh town centre. Is there an obvious route into the town centre that It wouldn't require demolition of too many buildings along the way - have previous railway lines not been occupied now by the guided busway and Atherleigh Way? a station might get added with a bus-link but I cant see a dedicated branch any time soon 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owd Bob Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 The Local controlling borough council made sure we had no access to a line anymore, i mean as if two major stations and half a dozen satellite stations is'nt enough for 'em The only line i could see is from the town centre to Kenyon Junc' following the Atherleigh Way by pass route. Anyway back on track and another two pacer pic's from yesterdays efforts. Wigan Wallgate Station '16-12-19. 12 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 4630 Posted December 17, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 17, 2019 Another day and another move of withdrawn Northern Pacers. For the second day 5Z43 has run from Newton Heath TMD to Gascoigne Wood Sidings. Two sets today, 142049 leading 142042, through the cold and gloom at Brighouse...and definitely not going to Stalybridge again. 12 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owd Bob Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 Good photos for the records but it's still a sad sight for some of us, 049 stands out for me as it was a real regular around here this year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeithMacdonald Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 One more preserved to keep people suffering as part of their "heritage"? "Class 144 pacer heading to the Great Central Railway in Nottingham" https://www.railadvent.co.uk/2019/12/class-144-pacer-heading-to-the-great-central-railway-in-nottingham.html We've still got some Pacers in the "Triangle of Doom" (Exmouth-Barnstaple-Paignton). What did we do to deserve them? Were we very bad in a previous life? Any offers welcome. Could we sell them on eBay? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastwestdivide Posted December 17, 2019 Author Share Posted December 17, 2019 1 minute ago, KeithMacdonald said: Could we sell them on eBay? "Buyer collects" presumably? You'd need to stick a lot of stamps on, even 2nd class. Mind you, I think sticky paper is what Newton Heath use to repair the bodywork. 1 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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