muddys-blues Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 Hello I am contemplating doing a small EM Gauge project utilising the New Dapol Class 22’s and bubble cars, has anybody adjusted the wheels sets easily enough to EM Gauge without having to replace the wheel sets ? Thanks in advance for any responses Craig Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leopardml2341 Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 Same question from me....... Anyone? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon A Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 Check with Ultrascale to see if they make suitable drop in wheelsets, or Gibson wheels, which may need moving the final drive gear from the Dapol axle to the Gibson axle, assuming they are the same diameter. Gordon A Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaddeus Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 no idea about the 121 but the class 22 has all metal wheels on stub axles with muff gears, pickup through the chassis, I have heard the Dapol wheels can be teased out to EM on their muffs but "Ultrascale" dont make drop in replacements and the Gibson has one spoke to many and again not a straight replacement. With the Hornby 29, Heljans 16, the Kernow 41 and Dapols 22 & 21/29 you would think there was a market for a proper NBL spoked wheel by now, rant over. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium dhjgreen Posted November 16, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 16, 2019 If not Ultrascale, try Branchlines. Heljan flanges were too thick and fouled crossings, Branchlines for CL 26 And 128 for me (near but not exact) half axles with turned wheels so a bit pricey. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted November 16, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 16, 2019 From personal experience. The bogie sideframes are very thick and narrow inside which gives restricted space to get wider wheelsets in there. The first one I just pulled out the existing wheels but had to take quite a chunk of plastic out of the insides of the sideframes. The second I turned down the existing wheels to EM (ish) profile but still had to take a (smaller) chunk out. The next one may get the whole of the inside of the sideframes milled out, this will lessen the effect of there only being recesses where the wheels are, which, under closeish inspection is a bit of a . Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 The O Gauge ones can't Craig, SORRY haha. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PenrithBeacon Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 I have converted the Bachmann 108 to P4 using Branchlines and AGW wheelsets successfully. Whether that will be true of the Dapol bubble cars cannot say. It might be a start to compare the design of the Bachmann and Dapol models to see what is possible. Cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 50 minutes ago, Andrew P said: The O Gauge ones can't Craig, SORRY haha. They can but you need to put in a complete new chassis a la P4 but it does leave the bogies looking very narrow or the bodies very wide in comparison to all the other stock around it. Overhang on any corners will be an issue too I am afraid but no issue with wheel arches being too narrow 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapford34102 Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 I have two OO class 22's which have had the wheelsets re-gauged to EM on Sheepcroft. They run well enoughl but as Mike (Enterprising Western) pointed out the sideframes need some surgery to thin down the width. A drag but needs doing. One caveat though is that you end up with less axle in the plastic centre section so the gauge can drift out a bit in use plus if you do try this check the centre sections for splits as that IS a problem though you can get replacements as I had to do. Cheers Stu 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaddeus Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 There is a couple of articles on re-gauging the 22 on the EMGauge70s site with some good photos so you can see what needs doing JANUARY 2012 UPDATE Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-UnitMad Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 14 hours ago, Andrew P said: The O Gauge ones can't Craig, SORRY haha. If only. If only Dapol actually make an O Scale Class 22, that is. (not at all still miffed that that wasn't what their "MASSIVE" announcement was, the other week, you understand... ) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leopardml2341 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 Thanks to everyone replying to my rekindling of this thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leopardml2341 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 12 hours ago, lapford34102 said: One caveat though is that you end up with less axle in the plastic centre section so the gauge can drift out a bit in use plus if you do try this check the centre sections for splits as that IS a problem though you can get replacements as I had to do. Cheers Stu A few further questions please Stu, When you say gauge drifts out, do you mean widening/narrowing or both? From where did you get replacement parts? Does this equally apply to the Class121/2 DMU? Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapford34102 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 Hi, Bits from DC supplies, official Dapol spares people Wider/narrower? My EM'd 22 with the split collar simply ran badly With an OO one it narrowed, the two stub axles touched and caused a short Not got a unit but note the ED has a similar setup so unit likely to be similar Stu 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Persephone Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 (edited) I've converted a 122 to EM simply by spreading the wheels. I've had to reduce the BTB by . 5mm to get the over thick profile wheels through pointwork but it runs very well indeed. See my blog article https://newheymodelrailway.wordpress.com/2017/08/18/another-convert-to-the-cause/ It was also in the EMGS newsletter around 18 months ago. Edited November 18, 2019 by Persephone 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leopardml2341 Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 2 hours ago, Persephone said: I've converted a 122 to EM simply by spreading the wheels. I've had to reduce the BTB by . 5mm to get the over thick profile wheels through pointwork but it runs very well indeed. See my blog article https://newheymodelrailway.wordpress.com/2017/08/18/another-convert-to-the-cause/ It was also in the EMGS newsletter around 18 months ago. Thanks Andy, I'm an emgs member, but don't recall that one being in the newsletter, any ideas which one please? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 On 16/11/2019 at 19:41, woodenhead said: They can but you need to put in a complete new chassis a la P4 but it does leave the bogies looking very narrow or the bodies very wide in comparison to all the other stock around it. Overhang on any corners will be an issue too I am afraid but no issue with wheel arches being too narrow Not entirely unlike this ! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harz_Railway#/media/File:199_872-3_am_16.08.2007_in_Eisfelder_Talmühle.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
muddys-blues Posted November 19, 2019 Author Share Posted November 19, 2019 Hello People, sorry I have been on radio silence for some time, many thanks to all who have replied, Best regards Craig. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Persephone Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 On 19/11/2019 at 01:17, leopardml2341 said: Thanks Andy, I'm an emgs member, but don't recall that one being in the newsletter, any ideas which one please? I cant remember which one exactly but think it was Autumn 2017 - According to my signalmans log I did the job in Townsend Fold box on 18 August 2017, so its sometime after that! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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