Popular Post Grimleygrid Posted March 3, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 3, 2019 Class 91 and Mark 4 carriages Cavalex Models are delighted to announce our first locomotive and carriages, the iconic Class 91 and Mark 4 carriages. Photo courtesy Neil Harvey After the APT project was abandoned in the mid-1980s and with the Modernisation and Electrification of the East Coast Mainline from London’s Kings Cross to Doncaster, Leeds, York, Newcastle and Edinburgh, a new design of passenger train was required to meet the growing passenger demand on this route. British Rail tendered for the design and construction of a new Electric locomotive to operate the new electric services and GEC successfully won the tender with British Rail Engineering Limited being the sub-contractor for the Class 91 locomotives. A total of 31 locomotives were built at Crewe works between 1988 and 1991 with the first passenger earning service taking place in March 1989. Electrification of the East Coast Mainline was completed in 1991 with electric services commencing from London to Edinburgh in the summer of 1991. 91010 has the fame of holding the title of the fastest locomotive in Britain having attained a speed of 161.7 mph (260.2 km/h) on 17th of September 1989 during a test run down Stoke Bank. The Mark 4 carriages were built by Metro Cammell/GEC-Alsthom between 1989 and 1992. After privitisation the Class 91 fleet and Mark 4 carriages have been owned by Eversholt Rail Group and leased to companies operating under franchise. After InterCity and then GNER, National Express East Coast, East Coast and Virgin Trains East Coast, is currently run by London North Eastern Railway. Between 2000 and 2003 a major refurbishment programme was undertaken at Doncaster Works to help improve reliability and following overhaul the locomotive fleet were renumbered 91/1s. Still in revenue earning service today, these iconic trains will make for a great model. Photo courtesy Bill Atkinson The Cavalex Models Class 91 and Mark 4 carriages will be released in 4mm and 2mm scales. Proposed liveries: Inter-City Swallow – Class 91 and Mark 4 carriages (Running numbers to be confirmed) LNER – Class 91 and Mark 4 carriages LNER – 91119 'Bounds Green Intercity depot 1977-2017' We will provide a further update on the project early next month. 43 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDG Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 Well done Cav and Alex...good choice. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
58050 Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 Excellent news, I'd be very interested in a full IC rake. A modern-spec 91 is long overdue. 1 5 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wombatofludham Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 Good news for East Coast fans, a missing link, and of course, another overhead electric. Y'know, the models that "don't sell". Nice to see new companies are getting involved in electric RTR. Good luck and many sales. 5 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackB95 Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 Fantastic announcement, and one that will definitely sell well. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Steve Purves Posted March 4, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 4, 2019 (edited) I would love a 91 to modern standards especially in 2mm but I fear I might not be able to buy one if I don't plump up the readies all in one go on some unspecified date for a project that i haven't even decided on only for that model to gather dust on the shelf until I'm ready for it. Good luck guys. I will watch with interest but I worry for the way the models I want are heading MM Edited March 4, 2019 by 47845 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGR Hooper! Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 (edited) Finally a top spec Class 91 with suitable rolling stock in both 2mm and 4mm! Excellent announcement guys. I model in 2mm scale and collect in 4mm scale, I really look forward to getting an entire rake in 2mm and possibly just a loco in 4mm. I am thoroughly excited. Hornby Class 87, Heljan Class 86, Accurascale Class 92 and Hornby Class 71....truly exciting times for those wanting AC or DC electrics. Cheers! Edited March 4, 2019 by MGR Hooper! 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaymzHatstand Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 Ooooo! Colour me intrigued! I've still got my 1992 Hornby version in its box (it's had plenty of use though) and have been considering updating it, now it can stay as it is for nostalgia! Very much looking forward to seeing this develop, and hopefully joining my collection eventually! I'm presuming that in the fullness of time, and licenses permitting, we'll see more liveries including maybe the commemorative ones. Hopefully the coaches will be available either individually or tactical packs so a full rake can be built up over time. I'm sure all of this, and more will be dealt with in future updates, and like the rest of us I'll be looking forward to that immensely! Cheers J 3 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted March 4, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 4, 2019 3 hours ago, JaymzHatstand said: . . . or tactical packs so a full rake can be built up over time. Tactical, isn't that just how they get smuggled into the house? I don't think a coach pack is a tactic in itself unless it's a plain brown box Very good news though as I always thought they look superb in the original livery. 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Markwj Posted March 4, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 4, 2019 How is it funded please don't tell me it's crowdfunded, have no confidence in that route at present. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Harvey Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 8 hours ago, Grimleygrid said: 8 hours ago, Grimleygrid said: Class 91 and Mark 4 carriages We will provide a further update on the project early next month. Please avoid announcements on April 1. :-) 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaymzHatstand Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 20 minutes ago, PaulRhB said: Tactical, isn't that just how they get smuggled into the house? I don't think a coach pack is a tactic in itself unless it's a plain brown box It is indeed, then once spotted, followed by the 'I've had this for ages'! What I was meaning was maybe four different twin packs which each contain different pairs, so an 8 coach rake can be made from 4 packs. Say; two First, one First & one Standard, one Standard & one Buffet, and two Standard. The remaining Standard needed for the full 9 could be paired with the DVT or as an individual vehicle, depending on how the packaging is developed. Maybe! Cheers J 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TomE Posted March 4, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 4, 2019 Amazing news Cav! A new 91 in N Gauge has been a long time coming. Tom. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBE Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 1 hour ago, JaymzHatstand said: It is indeed, then once spotted, followed by the 'I've had this for ages'! What I was meaning was maybe four different twin packs which each contain different pairs, so an 8 coach rake can be made from 4 packs. Say; two First, one First & one Standard, one Standard & one Buffet, and two Standard. The remaining Standard needed for the full 9 could be paired with the DVT or as an individual vehicle, depending on how the packaging is developed. Maybe! Cheers J How the packs will be split has not been established as yet. Of course the order of the day is to get enough orders of each vehicle to make production possible. Once we have more news we will of course keep everyone informed. 1 hour ago, Markwj said: How is it funded please don't tell me it's crowdfunded, have no confidence in that route at present. Hi Mark, currently we as a company work on a pre-order commitment basis. I don't see this as a bad thing as it provides security for us to enable us to pursue further models to bring to the market which would otherwise be overlooked. What are your concerns? That the model will not be made or that you will lose money? To answer those questions we need to look at it this way. Model railways are a niche market and a model that doesn't sell is essentially a nail in the coffin for a small business like ourselves. If you (the customer as a whole) wants a model to be made then all you have to do is pre-order and then commit to buy should the target volume be reached, if enough people do that then it will go ahead without question. On the other hand if we finace the whole deal and no one buys it then we fold as a business and no one benefits. Regarding money, we do not take any payments until the target has been reached and the project has the green light to go ahead. At this point we ask for 50% up front as a deposit with the balance due prior to delivery. If the project doesn't reach its target then no one loses out, apart from we don't have a nice new model that not enough people wanted anyway. We feel thats fair. If you need any further info please get in touch? So to the class 91, we are very pleased with the support received so far. I for one am very keen to see this produced as I have been an avid fan of the train since my golden spotting days of the late 80s and early 90s! 4 3 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGR Hooper! Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 6 minutes ago, RBE said: How the packs will be split has not been established as yet. Of course the order of the day is to get enough orders of each vehicle to make production possible. Once we have more news we will of course keep everyone informed. Hi Mark, currently we as a company work on a pre-order commitment basis. I don't see this as a bad thing as it provides security for us to enable us to pursue further models to bring to the market which would otherwise be overlooked. What are your concerns? That the model will not be made or that you will lose money? To answer those questions we need to look at it this way. Model railways are a niche market and a model that doesn't sell is essentially a nail in the coffin for a small business like ourselves. If you (the customer as a whole) wants a model to be made then all you have to do is pre-order and then commit to buy should the target volume be reached, if enough people do that then it will go ahead without question. On the other hand if we finace the whole deal and no one buys it then we fold as a business and no one benefits. Regarding money, we do not take any payments until the target has been reached and the project has the green light to go ahead. At this point we ask for 50% up front as a deposit with the balance due prior to delivery. If the project doesn't reach its target then no one loses out, apart from we don't have a nice new model that not enough people wanted anyway. We feel thats fair. If you need any further info please get in touch? So to the class 91, we are very pleased with the support received so far. I for one am very keen to see this produced as I have been an avid fan of the train since my golden spotting days of the late 80s and early 90s! Well I was hoping either you'll, Accurascale, Dapol, Heljan, Hornby or RevolutioN announce one of these. Now that you'll have, you'll have got my full support. N gauge and OO gauge for me please, OO gauge being the locomotive only. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ely_South Posted March 4, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 4, 2019 Man; with the 90's apparently on the boat, and the 92 announcement last month, this is both an expensive and brilliant year...! I'm in for 4mm. At least a rake of Mk4s, but more than one loco I'd have thought (liveries depending). Just to be clear, when you say Mk4 coaches, I presume you're planning on tooling the Mk4 DVT also? Cheers :-) Rob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Bucoops Posted March 4, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 4, 2019 You know the best livery post-privitisation is GNER don't you? Hint hint 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 (edited) 11 hours ago, Grimleygrid said: ...Proposed liveries: Inter-City Swallow – Class 91 and Mark 4 carriages (Running numbers to be confirmed) LNER – Class 91 and Mark 4 carriages LNER – 91119 'Bounds Green Intercity depot 1977-2017' Nice thought, but for my liking there's a big hole where the tastiest potential filling in the sandwich should be! If the announcement could clarify whether any of the liveries that came 'in between' those listed are going to be possible in future that would be good. - GNER Blue In addition to it looking right and livery choice, this potential customer wants it to do a scale 125mph - and ideally the potential service maximum 140mph. Have ECML layout, want ECML speed. That includes propelling, and I would be whanging it round 32" minimum radius in the concealed section as it comes off the visible 'racetrack'. (I have actually tested for this as far as I was able, and the early Bachmann Peak - which had the funky choice of 4:1 gearing for an unnecessarily high scale maximum of 350mph - would shove along at the 125mph rate with 10 of their mk1s ahead. A little damping in the close coupling mechanism would improve appearance when in properly brisk motion. However, that's the kind of mechanical entertainment that appeals to me as a user adjustment/modification.) Regarding presentation, it's a fixed formation train. I would hope to see an option to order and purchase a complete set, all in matching livery. None of that dicking about trying to find the necessary vehicles that sold out in a flash. (The 'tactical packaging' suggestion was interesting though. Another way with four packs: 91+DVT, three packs of two standards and a 1st; BEK, CFL, DHM. Whatever, your marketing division can have fun working out the possibilities!) Edited March 4, 2019 by 34theletterbetweenB&D 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Welly Posted March 4, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 4, 2019 It'll be great with a good sound chip on it! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
60800 Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 (edited) I think a very sensible decision regarding the 4mm version would be to plug ahead with the locomotive and DVT regardless of the viability of the Mk.4 stock. This is why; People already have Mk.4 stock, simple as that. People already have 91’s too, but when you look at the models, the Hornby Mk.4 is good shape wise, the roof detail is ok and the only major issue is the lack of skirts at the coach ends - you’d need an all singing and dancing Mk.4 to convince people to replace them as the existing model is ‘good enough’, in my eyes at least. The Hornby 91 is a dog. The shape is wrong, the details don’t match the current 91/1 designated locos, there’s no lights, no decent cab interior and the mechanism sounds like a knackered traction motor blower... My personal thoughts behind this and my reason for posting it is that I would like to have two rakes of Mk.4 stock (in LNER) but I wish to have four locos (05, 10, 11, 19) and don’t see enough wrong with the current Mk.4’s to not repaint them. Don’t get me wrong, I will want one full set from yourselves in LNER to go behind 91105, but i’m also more than happy to save money and upgrade / repaint my existing sets and put the money into the locos instead. Others may think this way too, hence why I am saying please, if the coaching stock fails to be viable from pre-order numbers, still look at producing the loco and DVT regardless. Cheers, 60800 Edited March 4, 2019 by 60800 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
berwicksfinest Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 i'm in !!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vonzack Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 This is fantastic news, been hoping somebody would announce this in 2mm for years now. Where do I click? Would like to see a GNER liveried version, as it stayed on them for a long time. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adamphillip Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 (edited) well it's the return of the 90s, called it, we're getting 90 91 and 92 flavors Edited March 4, 2019 by Adamphillip Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaneofFife Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 I thought new model announcements would go quiet for a while but not a bit of it- the models keep on coming. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Stuart A Posted March 4, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 4, 2019 Brilliant news. Been on the scout for the old Poole MkIVs and have an Intercity body shell which I was upgrading, but will be investing in a full rake in 2mm 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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